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Hi Chaps,
Just a warning to anyone, I was looking for a 5-Spot frame about 2 weeks ago - I was asking a chap on here about his for £570 - seemed a good deal. We had a few exchanges of emails and photos, but it sold to someone else local. Fair dos. No problem.
I got another reply to my wanted ad about an hour later, offering me another 5-spot frame, we exchanged emails but the details were a little sketchy so left it at that.
I got an email today saying he'd send some photos, got the photos today - turns out it was the same bike that was for sale here for £570 - but now for sale by someone else.
And how much was the chap asking for? £800.
A quick email to the original seller and it turns out the chap picked up the frame today.
Not bad - £230 for a quick drive.
Just be aware, up to you if you want to spend £800, but buying cheap to then sell on to other STW'ers for profit is against the rules, and just not in the community spirit.
Cheers
Ricks
Thanks for the heads up rickon.
Name and shame I say
Free market.?
It's against the STW rules, on eBay and Pinkbike it's fine. Here is a community.... so should have community spirit - i.e. don't screw over your fellow forum members.
Free market.?
yeah right, until it happens to you.
it is plain offside, life is full of shytes who like to make a fast buck.
thanks for the warning rickon
neilsonwheels - Member
Free market.?
nope, against STW rules
Obviously a Tory politician.
Edited to protect the innocent....
Bit of amateur stalking suggests the new seller is perhaps a little cold, and born in 1976?
The seller of that one claims to have owned it from new? If that is the bloke then Rickon needs to name him!
name and shame
Oooo... didn't know he'd posted on here, or anywhere else yet - just had emails. I'll do some snooping.
EDIT: That was proper amateur stalking 😉 Not chilled, no. I don't think the chap as a STW account - or at least I can't find one associated to him.
why are folk allowed to just sell on the forum?
why not make a rule that you have to be a forum member for a certain amount of time, and contribute a bit, even if it is a few nonsense posts.
Here is a community.... so should have community spirit - i.e. don't screw over your fellow forum members.
Well, unless you can do it by over-pricing your stuff, in which case the 'community' has been warned off...
I could be wrong, phone won't open the guys ad? I did say amateur....
Nope not him....maybe edit your first post?
Done, apologies. *gives up dreams of becoming a private detective*
So, name and shame?
£900 now on eBay 😯
Original post:
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-turner-five-spot-large-570
Rickon we sent you a message about this, can you check your spam folder if you didn't receive it and reply to us please.
I once bought a frame on here for £150, it was a dud, shox got tf tuned and bearings replaced, tried selling it on here for a little more as it was in mechanical better condition and got called upon it. I had proof of work done too.
Drac - sent you an email. Nothing in my account, or SPAM....
RScott... you realise the chap literally said he wanted to frame, emailled me within an hour, picked it up a week later, photograph it and then sent me the photos. Nothing's changed on the frame at all.
Given it's £900, and no one is going to spend that on a 2010 frame... hopefully...
Is your the one with the 2012 front triangle and 2010 rear triangle?
It was on ebay but not that ad, I saw it at lunchtime.
Drac - sent you an email. Nothing in my account, or SPAM....
Strange. Emails from the mods always seem to get through to me 🙁
Lots of forums / communities have a no profiteering rule on their marketplaces
I think 99% of people on STW get it, but the issue is that I could just buy up every bargain on the forum, and then try to sell it again on here or eBay or Pinkbike or Bikeradar. It spoils it for everyone, no one gets a good deal and people go elsewhere to buy stuff.
Previous ebay username may help shed some light...
User ID Effective Date End Date
headsupbikes 10-Jun-12 Present
finlay4293 07-Nov-05 10-Jun-12
Emails from the mods always seem to get through to me
The replies from me never seem to make it to them though ...no matter how many times you resend 😈
Lots of forums / communities have a no profiteering rule on their marketplaces
Problem is that this in't being sold on STW now, and there's bugger all anyone can do about it.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it. He's bought it fair and square and is selling it on for a profit. Nothing wrong with that. The original owner could just as easily have put more effort into selling it and/or asked a higher price. He won't get £900 anyway.
I've just sold a Vespa scooter I bought for £920 3 years ago for £1040. Is that any different? No. It's not.
Get off yer high horses. 🙂
If you think there's some 'community' thing going on here, I could tell you about a certain well known STWer that was shill bidding on a frame on eBay. He shot himself in the foot though as he never sold it and let it go for far less than my top bid some months later.
It is different, offering the frame at a hugely inflated price, even before he had bought it - when I was thinking of buying it myself already and in conversation with the original owner is taking the proverbial.
I've just sold a Vespa scooter I bought for £920 3 years ago for £1040. Is that any different? No. It's not.
As you did not buy it just to sell it for a profit a few days later they are very different scenarios. I am unsure why you would need that explaining tbh or why you think owning something for 3 years and selling it , for profut three days later or before you even own it, is the same.
A free market would include naming surely...
for a price obviously 😉
As you did not buy it just to sell it for a profit a few days later they are very different scenarios
I don't think they are, sorry. I think they are very similar, as I bought that Vespa knowing i wouldn't loose money on it and I was right.
If someone is selling something too cheap and you spot you can make make profit, I see nothing wrong with that. There's LOADS of people doing it on here, believe me.
All the matters is that the buyer gets what they paid for and the seller is happy with the price. There's enough people selling stuff at inflated prices too.
I caught someone trying to sell and item at roughly 50% more than it could be bought on CRC for in the 'Wanted' section the other week.
I undercut him massively and made a sale. Is that wrong?
So it was advertised off here and then sold on?
The Classified Forum is not a place where users can trade parts bought elsewhere and then sold at a profit.
Says bought elsewhere and sold at profit. So the rules don't state that items bought off the forum can't be sold for a profit... minor details I know but is he actually breaking the rules?
minor details I know but is he actually breaking the rules?
No. He's not.
There's NO WAY to police it either. I just sold a set of forks on here that I bought on here for the same price I paid a year ago. I could have made £20 on them without too much effort
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it. He's bought it fair and square and is selling it on for a profit. Nothing wrong with that. The original owner could just as easily have put more effort into selling it and/or asked a higher price.
Well we see a lot wrong with a member buying an item on here and then trying to sell it on to another forum for £270 more.
PeterPoddy he is breaking the rules it's clearly written in the classifieds and we do police it.
Well we see a lot wrong with a member buying an item on here and then trying to sell it on to another forum for £270 more.
Not against your rules though!
You'd have to bring in a 'Don't sell stuff too cheap' rule to stop it! 🙂
I don't think they are, sorry.
I see no reason to reach your conclusion- not loosing money after 3 years = buying to sell at a profit including trying to sell whilst not actually owning. Again no idea why you still think they are the same.
No. He's not.
Your on a roll of wrongness today PP
The rule it breaks.
The ‘spirit’ of our forum is one where users can turn their old, surplus or unwanted kit into extra cash to enable them to buy new bits to help them get out and continue riding. The Classified Forum is not a place where users can trade parts bought elsewhere and then sold at a profit. If we suspect that a user is exploiting our forum to earn additional income or solely for the purposes of making a profit then we are very likely to consider that as ‘Trade’ activity and we’ll ask you to stop. We will look at each instance reported to us or spotted by us on a case by case basis and then we will act at our discretion.
3 for 3
The very next sentence on the rules so it reads
The Classified Forum is not a place where users can trade parts bought elsewhere and then sold at a profit. [b]If we suspect that a user is exploiting our forum to earn additional income or solely for the purposes of making a profit then we are very likely to consider that as ‘Trade’ activity and we’ll ask you to stop.[/b]
I put it in bold to help you but i feel certain you will think its not like that at all 😯
EDIT: Damn still too slow to pass the moderator test...just one more chance please mark
Your on a roll of wrongness today PP
Nope. I'm not
Here is the rule:
The ‘spirit’ of our forum is one where users can turn their old, surplus or unwanted kit into extra cash to enable them to buy new bits to help them get out and continue riding. The Classified Forum is not a place where users can trade parts bought elsewhere and then sold at a profit. If we suspect that a user is exploiting our forum to earn additional income or solely for the purposes of making a profit then we are very likely to consider that as ‘Trade’ activity and we’ll ask you to stop
So, if l (For instance) sell stuff on here I can use the money to 'carry on riding'
Fine.
As long as I don't "trade parts bought elsewhere ...... at a profit"
Fine
Crystal clear.
Please tell me me where that says I can't BUY on here and sell on elsewhere, and how it would be possible to stop it if it did.
EDIT
The rule it breaks.
That rule has not been broken. If you THINK IT HAS you need to re-word it 🙂
Please tell me me where that says I can't BUY on here and sell on elsewhere, and how it would be possible to stop it if it did.
Here:
If we suspect that a user is exploiting our forum to earn additional income or solely for the purposes of making a profit then we are very likely to consider that as ‘Trade’ activity and we’ll ask you to stop
Actually tracking that is another matter...
If we suspect that a user is exploiting our forum to earn additional income or solely for the purposes of making a profit
What if that profit is to soley fund their bikes?
I put it in bold for you PP [ a mod told you as well] I am sorry I cannot help you any further as i really dont see how it can be made any clearer to you.
You cannot do it for profit, the one bit you fail to mention in your post
It does not need to be re written for this instance as it not even a credible argument though I suspect you may labour it for some while.
Here:If we suspect that a user is exploiting our forum to earn additional income or solely for the purposes of making a profit then we are very likely to consider that as ‘Trade’ activity and we’ll ask you to stop
IT DOESNT. It implies SELLING ON HERE. 🙂 NOTHING to do with buying.
And they are not "exploiting our forum"
They are exploiting eBay, if anything 🙂
What if that profit is to soley fund their bikes?
In the words of those rules I'd say it'd be tough. Although I imagine that the mods would be in touch and you try explain it.