[Closed] biking scum at Gisburn

Racism has no place in society, but neither does an angry hate mob of 30 people imho. Pass onto the police, call off the dogs, and move on thankful that you're not an ignorant racist like some.

i agree totally with this. but in tracking down this guy its clear that he is a regular at Gisburn, Llandegla and Lee Quarry...all places where me and my friends ride regularly. on viewing his youtube videos it seems he rides with a group of equally pleasant friends and now that he knows there is a group of riders who frequent those places who are of asian heritage, he and his group may be on the lookout for trouble...i would rather avoid this so he is being reported to the police.
as his abuse was aimed at the whole group it is only right that they are angry ...but while they would rather deal with him themselves, they would much rather the police deal with him...but they're not going to go out of their way to go and do him over...he isnt worth the energy to be honest.

Nah we should hope he gets raped in prison its what separates us from scum like him.

lol

@PJM1794 - email in profile and i'll give you a response

If something does come of your reports to the police it's probably a more worrying thing than if nothing at all did... In my opinion.

strange opinion.

i agree very strange opinion...would it be more acceptable to inform the police of racist abuse only for them to say "suck it up princess and move on"?

thanks Chakaping

"Racism has no place in society, but neither does an angry hate mob of 30 people imho."

There's a common philosophy about not resorting to violence, but sadly, passive, non-violent, peaceful opposition doesn't seem to have any real effect on knuckle-dragging racist scum. ****s like the BNP, EDL etc aren't put off from holding their hate rallies by a small group of nice ladies with hand-knitted peace scarves, it takes an overwhelming number of people prepared to meet violence with violence, before they think twice. Unless the police can absolutely guarantee the safety of Gonzy's friends when out enjoying riding their bikes, then I'm afraid the only option is safety in numbers. And if it takes having to smack a few racists about a bit, in order to protect their right to ride their bikes where they want to, then so be it. Maybe if all of us were actually more vigilant of racism, and prepared to stand up to bigots wherever they are, they wouldn't feel so confident. Comments on here, such as the pathetic nonsense about 'no whites' in Bradford, just show the extent of the problem of tensions that exist.

Unless the police can absolutely guarantee the safety of Gonzy's friends when out enjoying riding their bikes, then I'm afraid the only option is safety in numbers. And if it takes having to smack a few racists about a bit..

So physical abuse to counteract racial abuse? Is one better or more acceptable than the other?

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sorry Perchy...no fiver for you!! 😆

"So physical abuse to counteract racial abuse? Is one better or more acceptable than the other?"

Not 'physical abuse'. Physical [i]resistance[/i]/self defence against racist attacks, yes. Perfectly justifiable.

I've always been led to believe that fascists are fair game

Clodhopper for PM, I say.

i'm inclined to agree with what clodhopper said too...i've stood up against such hateful people in the past. ive been the victim of racism in the past. where i grew up my family and all the other asian families were regularly the target of such animals...bricks through windows, letterbox fires and abuse/threats of violence on the street...growing up the only way to tackle a problem the police were unable/reluctant/couldnt be bothered to deal with was simple...fight fire with fire...eventually the message sunk in that we were here to stay and that we wouldnt give in to them. after a few beatings they left our community alone...but that was between 20=30 years ago.

violence is not the answer to these animals but if push comes to shove and the police dont deal with it...then thats what will happen.

to be fair cbmotorsport...i dont advocate violence, but i wont condone or condemn it in this case as i think it would be deserved...especially as he has already threatened to stomp our heads into the mud if he sees any of us.

if he had just abused the group they wouldnt think anything of it, other than to report it and move on...but when he added the threat of physical violence...thats what has got them angry.
like i said i wouldnt waste my time or energy knocking the shit out of him...he isnt worth dirtying the bombers for...however some of the group are less inclined to feel that way should they find him out on the trails...and to be honest i wouldnt blame them.

I'd have no issue with defending oneself, or standing up to physical attacks, but so far this clown has posted foul comments on a video on the internet, not chucked a brick through your window or attacked anyone.

The suggestion was that physical violence might be a solution, it isn't. It maybe a last resort if it escalates beyond the security of his keyboard and you or your friends are physically attacked.

In my experience of idiots like this, they are a different animal when not sat behind the apparent security and anonymity of their computer screens.

Report it to the police, who will take it seriously, let them do their job.

Thank you gonzy, I'll message you over the weekend.

While I don't see how violence or the implied threat thereof fixes anything, I can totally understand how a bunch of folks are going to take ignorant racist trolling very seriously. No offense to any other OWGs out there, but I don't want the passtime I love to be the sole preserve of middle aged white guys who work in finance. It sickens me to think that people from different backgrounds might be frightened off enjoying the outdoors because of marauding knuckledragging scumbags - a friend of mine was out cycling with his seven year old daughter last year and some subhuman in a car decided to pull over and hurl racist abuse at both of them.

The poorly educated xenophobia seems to be getting worse of late, it's insidious in the media and partly thanks to a certain presidential candidate, it's being given a mainstream platform. I'm pleased that the overwhelming reaction to threads reporting racism on here is one of disgust and anger, there's hope for us all yet.

Agree with cbmotorsport. It's not an ideal situation, but online comment sections are filled with dross like this. Just ban/report, then move on.

however some of the group are less inclined to feel that way should they find him out on the trails...

I don't want the passtime I love to be the sole preserve of middle aged white guys who work in finance.

I don't think anyone wants to share the trails with folk like him[ and he is scum IMHO] but there is a fine line between standing up for yourself and challenging prejudice and just a good old fashioned, even if "deserved" , lynching* /dishing out a beating.

Its also unlikely to make him reflect on his views and may mean he just rides in a bigger group and they then do the same to other "non white" folk

Let plod deal with it

* really poor choice of word given its usage in America but you know what I mean

Plus one for Junkyard - some kind of escalating 'arms race' to ride in ever bigger mobs is unlikely to solve anything.

For the OP - take some solace that this pillock is in a very small and ridiculous minority - either because he truly believes in what he espouses or because he is an attention-seeking pathetic case.

The police are a lot better at dealing with stuff like this these days as the evidence is there in black and white (no pun intended) on screen.

I also don't want mountain biking to be the sole preserve of middle-aged white guys who work in finance - after all, I don't want to hang about with people like me in my spare time, do I? 😉

Will he be wearing a sign round his neck with his username on, otherwise how will your friends know 100% that they've got the right person.

his dashingly handsome face was posted on this thread...rotten teeth an'all
so we know what he looks like
we also know what he rides...so the group knows who to look out for...but not to give him a good kicking...more to be wary of him and his mob if they do encounter him

if he was some idiot keyboard warrior out side of the UK or at the other end of the country we honestly wouldnt give a damn about him...but some of our group ride in small groups around some of the same places where him and his goons ride
so what if say 2 of our group are out at gisburn on the same day he is and (seeing as he knows what some of us look like from the video) decides to carry out his threat? or if he finds another random non-white rider on the trails and thinks "he must be part of that group so i'm having him"...would that be acceptable?

like i said we're willing to let the police do their job on this.

Neither the thing he has actually done (threaten you) nor the thing he might do (carry out that threat) is acceptable.

The sad truth is that cowards like this will always try to tread the line. But he [u]has[/u] done something illegal and the police are involved. I hope they take it seriously and do something. That means you won't be forced into a situation where you have to act in self-defence. That is what the police are there to do - protect the law abiding majority.

I hope this gets sorted and you guys can just ride without any of this unnecessary 'baggage'. Life really is too short to spend time worrying about malicious halfwits.

theres "no english allowed" signs on some shops in bradford

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I ride up at Gisburn quite frequently, very sad to think such a great place is being enjoyed by such scum bags. Reporting to the police is 100% the correct thing, cant even fathom why some would not agree with this?!

Perhaps sharing with the Gisburn Facebook group would be a nice little way to make this idiot feel somewhat uncomfortable riding there.

Violence is not needed. There's no way he would attack anyone , he is full of shit.
If you are that scared ride elsewhere til plod have sorted him.
You know where he lives,why not just email him a picture of his front door.

Wot zippykona just said ( especially the email ) 😀

f he finds another random non-white rider on the trails and thinks "he must be part of that group so i'm having him"...would that be acceptable?

In his inarticulate rant he says: "I'm a ****..." and in the selfie at the filling station he looks Asian. Is he ****stani?

"If you are that scared ride elsewhere til plod have sorted him."

And let the racist **** win? Given the police's poor track record in dealing with racism (granted, things have improved but are a very long way from being acceptable), I wouldn't hold out much faith in their ability to deal with the matter as effectively as I'd like to see. No; turning up with a strong group, willing and able to resist thuggery, sends a much more powerful message. Bigots simply aren't ever able to drum up much support, so it would be all about making them stay away. **** pacifism; it never won a war.

globalti - he isnt ****stani...he's trying to be sarcastic...especially with a name like Dean Nixon

JY - the reason i asked is that some comments seem to suggest that he should be ignored...i dont think this is acceptable. he needs to be challenged on his views in the right way and be made accountable for his comments and threat. the police are the ones to do this.
if it went unchallenged then who's to say that he encounters another group of non white riders and decides to have a go at them? thats why i asked if it would be acceptable. obviously the answer to that is no...so to prevent that from happening he needs to be dealt with by the long arm of the law
we dont know what type of people him and his mates are...they could be the type who like to the occasional "****-bashing" or they could be nothing more than racist keyboard warriors...but its not worth risking it
most of my group are pretty handy lads so they're not really bothered if they do come across him but i wouldnt want his spat with us to get taken out on someone else

zippykona - i dont see why we or anyone else should be scared of him or be allowed to feel that way and not go to the same places to ride.
as for the email idea...may be worth doing from a fake email account...but we'd rather the plod do something

just to let you know the dad of one of our group is a chief inspector at GMP...so hopefully it will be going through him to be dealt with

For what it's worth I think you are taking the right, restrained action by getting the Police involved and should be applauded for it. Any other action (including the email above, in my opinion lowers you to the level of threats of violence, and removes your moral high ground, which is currently a strong position to be in. And hopefully with your police contact, action should be forthcoming!

I've just read the discussions tab on his youtube account...well as much of it as I could be bothered. Looks like he's just a first class troll idiot, seems to get a kick out of abusing random people online, he's pissed off a lot of people.

the reason i asked is that some comments seem to suggest that he should be ignored...i dont think this is acceptable.

Racism must always be challenged but in the right way. Violence is not the right way

PS good luck with Ramadan the timing this year is not in your favour.

i hope all that he is is more than a gobby troll..but just in case him and his mates are the violent type...i'd rather the police deal with him
my concern is that if he does find a couple of asian guys on bikes that he and his mates give them abuse or worse...i'd like the law to stop him before it potentially gets to that
much as me and my mates would like to knock 7 shades of shit out of him...he simply isnt worth getting the bombers out for

Racism must always be challenged but in the right way. Violence is not the right way

PS good luck with Ramadan the timing this year is not in your favour.

4 pages and not one person has mentioned the state of his teeth....

am disappointed

most folk's lawns get a tougher time...

his dashingly handsome face was posted on this thread...rotten teeth an'all

I'm waiting for another YouTube account, DEANSOBUSTED

a ramadan challenge for you all too

Made me appreciate the fact i could eat tbh

Only one thing as bad as racism - religion (of any kind)....

Does that make me a religionist..?

No, just ignorant.

Unless of course, you have a scintillating and insightful reasoning for your views?

Few things worse than lack of tolerance for others...

I ****ing hate intolerant people. String the ****ers up.

Religion - spreading tolerance the world over....

I * hate intolerant people. String the * up

Oh the irony...

Isn't the forthcoming referendum actually just a racism referendum?

Oh the irony...

not wanting to put words into people's mouths, but I strongly suspect the irony is intentional..

Saw an Asian chap on a nice road bike the other day - full roadie get up etc, plus big hipster style beard - firstly the beard made me wonder about his aerodynamic profile ( :lol:) then I got to sadly wondering why I don't see more Asian folk out on bicycles in this area, given that there is around 30% Asian population.
Sadly realised that cycling of all types is a mainly white,male,middle aged pastime still.

wondering why I don't see more Asian folk out on bicycles

Apparently there are nine million of them in Beijing.

Cycling is regarded by some communities as what you do when you can't afford a car.

It's an interesting quandry actually:

Would I physically attack the bigot in question? No.

Would I encourage someone else to physically attack him? No.

Would I be unhappy if he did happen to get filled in? No.

I guess I'm someone who likes other people to do his fighting for him. Wrong, but right?

Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this?

Yes, so far.

Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this?

I don't understand what you're getting at with that.

Are you implying that advice should only be given by people who are from a similar ethnic group as the person asking for the advice?

"Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this? "

Yep.

Ridden gisburn about a dozen times and happy to say I have never encountered any racism.

Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this?

You're assuming we're all white?

Anyway, really don't see what this has to do with anything. Advice is being given on the best way forward within the law to deal with this abuse, it could be any form of verbal abuse, it just so happens its racial in this instance.

You're assuming we're all white?

I'm from Scotland.

I'm pale blue. It takes us two weeks of tropical sunshine to get white.

I don't understand what you're getting at with that.

Privilege.

You're assuming we're all white?

No, assuming most are though.

The OP didn't specify anything about white guys not being able to comment as far as I recall......... he seems pretty relaxed about it - the question is why aren't you?

"Privilege" yours is revoked. 🙄

i agree very strange opinion...would it be more acceptable to inform the police of racist abuse only for them to say "suck it up princess and move on"?

No, my point was that if something did come of it then there are bigger implications regarding lack of free speech. The idiot who made those comments obviously seems to be very angry/ignorant/stupid and racist abuse shouldn't be condoned but punishing someone for hurtful comments sets a dangerous precedent and could lead to thousands of teenage internet trolls being arrested just because someone doesn't like being offended.

I do appreciate it must be intimidating to have comments like that directed at you though.

There is a difference between free speech and just being plain vile and abusive. With every right comes a responsibility.

And why should the internet be any different from doing it face to face? The repercussion of the abuse can be awful. People should learn they cannot abuse people on the internet just because the person they are abusing cannot see them or hear them.

Saw an Asian chap on a nice road bike the other day - full roadie get up etc, plus big hipster style beard - firstly the beard made me wonder about his aerodynamic profile ( :lol:) then I got to sadly wondering why I don't see more Asian folk out on bicycles in this area, given that there is around 30% Asian population.
Sadly realised that cycling of all types is a mainly white,male,middle aged pastime still.

if you were anywhere near Bradistan...then theres a good chance it was one of my guys 😀

Saw an Asian chap on a nice road bike the other day - full roadie get up etc, plus big hipster style beard

Rad to the power of Sikh? 😉

Any update gonzy? Were Dibble interested in your concerns?

[quote=perchypanther a dit]
Rad to the power of Sikh?

*MUCH APPLAUSE*

No, my point was that if something did come of it then there are bigger implications regarding lack of free speech.

so does that mean nothing should be said about his comments as they are deemed as free speech?

The idiot who made those comments obviously seems to be very angry/ignorant/stupid and racist abuse shouldn't be condoned but punishing someone for hurtful comments sets a dangerous precedent and could lead to thousands of teenage internet trolls being arrested just because someone doesn't like being offended.

if the comments break the law then yes they should be punished. would what this guy said online be any different if he said it to my face or sent it to me in a personal email/text?
im sorry but racism is racism. and the last time i checked i'm pretty sure the law stated that it was also against the law.
it doesnt matter if the guy put it online, or if he said to someones face or even spray painted it on some property...its still classed as race hate crime and therefore punishable
sounds to me you're trying to class it as "just one of those things" and telling me to "suck it up princess and move on"....are you one of his mates??

I do appreciate it must be intimidating to have comments like that directed at you though.

the rest of us on the other hand dont feel like them but that doesent mean that we'll now be on the warpath looking out for him...we couldnt give 2 shits about him TBH...but if we did meet him and he tried to get in our faces...then he'd get his face rearranged

The idiot who made those comments obviously seems to be very angry/ignorant/stupid and racist abuse shouldn't be condoned but punishing someone for hurtful comments sets a dangerous precedent and could lead to thousands of teenage internet trolls being arrested just because someone doesn't like being offended.

There's a plain difference between saying something bigoted/closed minded/intolerant and making direct threats of violence. "If I see you at [place where you go], I'm going to stomp your face into the ground" is a world away from "These XXXXX should all go back where they came from".

I imagine, perhaps wrongly, that the person saying "he's just a troll, you shouldn't go to the police about it" is white. And that's where
chakapings comment of

Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this?

I've had someone look me up and down, then move his bag away from me and an asian mate and say "sorry, I was just brought up not to trust people like you". That's clearly not a police matter, it's just an ignorant ****wit, but the stuff in the OP is much worse and IMO crosses into criminal territory.

no updates to report of yet Perchy

Sad to hear but not suprising as there's plenty of bigots , wind up merchants and General ar/::£&les patrolling the net.
I've been into mountain biking for about fifteen years am of ****stani heritage and a Muslim complete with foot long beard and have rode every major trail centre in the UK . I've always found folk from the MTB community to be really decent and have never faced any animosity or prejudice whilst out riding so hopefully this is a one off. In truth it's the sport that binds us together that's the common ground not who you are or what you look like.
Maybe Dean wasn't that high and needs to get some new supply might calm him down a tad.

Sad to hear but not suprising as there's plenty of bigots , wind up merchants and General ar/::£&les patrolling the net.
I've been into mountain biking for about fifteen years am of ****stani heritage and a Muslim complete with foot long beard and have rode every major trail centre in the UK . I've always found folk from the MTB community to be really decent and have never faced any animosity or prejudice whilst out riding so hopefully this is a one off. In truth it's the sport that binds us together that's the common ground not who you are or what you look like.
Maybe Dean wasn't that high and needs to get some new supply might calm him down a tad.

i agree
i've been riding for 26 years and never encountered any prejudice racial or otherwise. yes the web makes it so much easier to come across scumbags like this guy and for them to spout their racial hatred online for all to see.
if the abuse was him calling us "p**i faggots" etc then we would have just ignored it...but when he threatened us with actual physical violence my curiosity got the better of me.
for him to make such a threat i knew he had to have been there at least once...even though his youtube profile gave the impression he was some inbred redneck in the USA. with the help of some STW users i managed to find the clues i needed to do a full trace on him and prove my theory that he is in fact a regular there and to some of our other regular riding spots.
we're not going to stop riding on account of an asshat like him and his warped beliefs.
the vast majority of MTB riders out there are good honest decent folk and i dont want this idiot to be associated with them.

I've been into mountain biking for about fifteen years am of ****stani heritage and a Muslim complete with foot long beard and have rode every major trail centre in the UK

Hope this all gets sorted out properly, Gonzy.

want to join our group?

JY - we welcome riders of all faiths and nationalities to our group...bringing halal cake will make you very popular though
you're more than welcome to join us on a ride whenever you want

p.s.
the charity bike ride will definitely go ahead this summer after ramadan. there seems to be more commitment from the group.

aye keep me in mind

I don't tend to ride trail centres[ once very two years or so*] but feel free to drop me a line next time you are going

Yes still up for the charity ride as well

* don't hate them either.

Yes still up for the charity ride as well

only taken us 2 years to finally get it to the planning stage...probably take us another 2 years to plan it and then another 2 to execute it 😆
but most likely will be the mary townley loop.

Mail in profile gonzy send us some details.

I can see a 'united mountain bikers against that sort of thing' ride coming along.

I can bring halal cake

[ignorant question or possibly missed sarcasm] how is cake halal, there's nothing dead in it? [/ignorant question or possibly missed sarcasm]

the charity bike ride will definitely go ahead this summer after ramadan.

how is cake halal, there's nothing dead in it?

[url= http://www.halalfoodhunt.com/diaries/whats-not-halal-about/ ]cake..[/url] its a veggy thing too..

Lots of cakes have alcohol in them too. Guinness and chocolate is wonderful.

depends on the ingredients but Muslims like vegans as they can eat everything we can eat - I also like the halal jellies especially the lurid colours 😉

Stands to reason* I suppose (alcohol in extracts, non-vegan gelatin etc).

How do scholars deal with stuff like bread though?

Yeast is a living thing (although I can't remember enough GCSE biology to say whether it's a plant or animal), and is killed by baking, and it produces alcohol.

Fun fact: The Reinheitsgebot added yeast at a later date as when it was first written no one knew that yeast existed or how yeast worked, breweries just relied on the cultures in the vessels/barrels or on a stick to inoculate the next batch. So most historical beers were actually likely sour.

*in context, it's still religion and/or veganism 🙂

last time I checked plants were living things till I cruelly devour them for my own needs...murderous bastard that I am 😈

Muslims can do what they want with yeast --except ferment it to make alcohol-that is haram

Gelatine is also fine depending on source

Sadly many of their jelly sweets are now certified as beef gelatine and are no longer vegan 🙁

TINAS - as JY said the yeast is fine to use as long as it isnt fermented to make alcohol.
but its not just sweets that need to be carefully checked...many other products that you would not suspect are now non-halal. certain flavour crisps, yoghurts and mousses that contain gelatine etc.
every time we go shopping we end up checking the ingredients of items before they go in...even if we bought that same product before

I feel your pain I even have to do this with halal stuff though

Surprised all the Asian food shops were open today...not as much veg in as usual though.

Any police update?

my mate spoke to the local plod who didnt seem all that interested in pursuing it...even with all the overwhelming evidence put in front of them

he could and should have taken it further but decided he didnt have the time and energy to do that just yet...we will be passing it onto our other friends dad now to get his advice on it