Agree with cbmotorsport. It's not an ideal situation, but online comment sections are filled with dross like this. Just ban/report, then move on.
however some of the group are less inclined to feel that way should they find him out on the trails...
Will he be wearing a sign round his neck with his username on, otherwise how will your friends know 100% that they've got the right person.
I don't want the passtime I love to be the sole preserve of middle aged white guys who work in finance.
Absolutely this too.
I don't think anyone wants to share the trails with folk like him[ and he is scum IMHO] but there is a fine line between standing up for yourself and challenging prejudice and just a good old fashioned, even if "deserved" , lynching* /dishing out a beating.
Its also unlikely to make him reflect on his views and may mean he just rides in a bigger group and they then do the same to other "non white" folk
Let plod deal with it
* really poor choice of word given its usage in America but you know what I mean
Plus one for Junkyard - some kind of escalating 'arms race' to ride in ever bigger mobs is unlikely to solve anything.
For the OP - take some solace that this pillock is in a very small and ridiculous minority - either because he truly believes in what he espouses or because he is an attention-seeking pathetic case.
The police are a lot better at dealing with stuff like this these days as the evidence is there in black and white (no pun intended) on screen.
I also don't want mountain biking to be the sole preserve of middle-aged white guys who work in finance - after all, I don't want to hang about with people like me in my spare time, do I? 😉
Will he be wearing a sign round his neck with his username on, otherwise how will your friends know 100% that they've got the right person.
his dashingly handsome face was posted on this thread...rotten teeth an'all
so we know what he looks like
we also know what he rides...so the group knows who to look out for...but not to give him a good kicking...more to be wary of him and his mob if they do encounter him
if he was some idiot keyboard warrior out side of the UK or at the other end of the country we honestly wouldnt give a damn about him...but some of our group ride in small groups around some of the same places where him and his goons ride
so what if say 2 of our group are out at gisburn on the same day he is and (seeing as he knows what some of us look like from the video) decides to carry out his threat? or if he finds another random non-white rider on the trails and thinks "he must be part of that group so i'm having him"...would that be acceptable?
like i said we're willing to let the police do their job on this.
Neither the thing he has actually done (threaten you) nor the thing he might do (carry out that threat) is acceptable.
The sad truth is that cowards like this will always try to tread the line. But he [u]has[/u] done something illegal and the police are involved. I hope they take it seriously and do something. That means you won't be forced into a situation where you have to act in self-defence. That is what the police are there to do - protect the law abiding majority.
I hope this gets sorted and you guys can just ride without any of this unnecessary 'baggage'. Life really is too short to spend time worrying about malicious halfwits.
theres "no english allowed" signs on some shops in bradford
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I ride up at Gisburn quite frequently, very sad to think such a great place is being enjoyed by such scum bags. Reporting to the police is 100% the correct thing, cant even fathom why some would not agree with this?!
Perhaps sharing with the Gisburn Facebook group would be a nice little way to make this idiot feel somewhat uncomfortable riding there.
Violence is not needed. There's no way he would attack anyone , he is full of shit.
If you are that scared ride elsewhere til plod have sorted him.
You know where he lives,why not just email him a picture of his front door.
Wot zippykona just said ( especially the email ) 😀
f he finds another random non-white rider on the trails and thinks "he must be part of that group so i'm having him"...would that be acceptable?
No it would not be fine and,as no one has said it would be, why did you ask?
In his inarticulate rant he says: "I'm a ****..." and in the selfie at the filling station he looks Asian. Is he ****stani?
"If you are that scared ride elsewhere til plod have sorted him."
And let the racist **** win? Given the police's poor track record in dealing with racism (granted, things have improved but are a very long way from being acceptable), I wouldn't hold out much faith in their ability to deal with the matter as effectively as I'd like to see. No; turning up with a strong group, willing and able to resist thuggery, sends a much more powerful message. Bigots simply aren't ever able to drum up much support, so it would be all about making them stay away. **** pacifism; it never won a war.
globalti - he isnt ****stani...he's trying to be sarcastic...especially with a name like Dean Nixon
JY - the reason i asked is that some comments seem to suggest that he should be ignored...i dont think this is acceptable. he needs to be challenged on his views in the right way and be made accountable for his comments and threat. the police are the ones to do this.
if it went unchallenged then who's to say that he encounters another group of non white riders and decides to have a go at them? thats why i asked if it would be acceptable. obviously the answer to that is no...so to prevent that from happening he needs to be dealt with by the long arm of the law
we dont know what type of people him and his mates are...they could be the type who like to the occasional "****-bashing" or they could be nothing more than racist keyboard warriors...but its not worth risking it
most of my group are pretty handy lads so they're not really bothered if they do come across him but i wouldnt want his spat with us to get taken out on someone else
zippykona - i dont see why we or anyone else should be scared of him or be allowed to feel that way and not go to the same places to ride.
as for the email idea...may be worth doing from a fake email account...but we'd rather the plod do something
just to let you know the dad of one of our group is a chief inspector at GMP...so hopefully it will be going through him to be dealt with
For what it's worth I think you are taking the right, restrained action by getting the Police involved and should be applauded for it. Any other action (including the email above, in my opinion lowers you to the level of threats of violence, and removes your moral high ground, which is currently a strong position to be in. And hopefully with your police contact, action should be forthcoming!
I've just read the discussions tab on his youtube account...well as much of it as I could be bothered. Looks like he's just a first class troll idiot, seems to get a kick out of abusing random people online, he's pissed off a lot of people.
the reason i asked is that some comments seem to suggest that he should be ignored...i dont think this is acceptable.
Do not disagree I will never ever turn a blind eye to racism and as a white fella I am unlikely to be the victim of it here. If i was in your position i would be concerned but he is most likely a gobby keyboard warrior - he still deserves what is, justice system, coming his way.
Racism must always be challenged but in the right way. Violence is not the right way
PS good luck with Ramadan the timing this year is not in your favour.
i hope all that he is is more than a gobby troll..but just in case him and his mates are the violent type...i'd rather the police deal with him
my concern is that if he does find a couple of asian guys on bikes that he and his mates give them abuse or worse...i'd like the law to stop him before it potentially gets to that
much as me and my mates would like to knock 7 shades of shit out of him...he simply isnt worth getting the bombers out for
Racism must always be challenged but in the right way. Violence is not the right way
i agree...this is the most sensible way to tackle it
PS good luck with Ramadan the timing this year is not in your favour.
thanks JY...hopefully it starts on monday...i'll be sticking up another post on here about it...i may even have a ramadan challenge for you all too 😉
4 pages and not one person has mentioned the state of his teeth....
am disappointed
most folk's lawns get a tougher time...
his dashingly handsome face was posted on this thread...rotten teeth an'all
I'm waiting for another YouTube account, DEANSOBUSTED
a ramadan challenge for you all too
Only if I can use Mecca time am I interested 😉 I have done it once FWIW but in the Middle east and it was an interesting experience
Made me appreciate the fact i could eat tbh
Only one thing as bad as racism - religion (of any kind)....
Does that make me a religionist..?
No, just ignorant.
Unless of course, you have a scintillating and insightful reasoning for your views?
Few things worse than lack of tolerance for others...
I ****ing hate intolerant people. String the ****ers up.
Religion - spreading tolerance the world over....
I * hate intolerant people. String the * up
Oh the irony...
Isn't the forthcoming referendum actually just a racism referendum?
Oh the irony...
not wanting to put words into people's mouths, but I strongly suspect the irony is intentional..
Saw an Asian chap on a nice road bike the other day - full roadie get up etc, plus big hipster style beard - firstly the beard made me wonder about his aerodynamic profile ( :lol:) then I got to sadly wondering why I don't see more Asian folk out on bicycles in this area, given that there is around 30% Asian population.
Sadly realised that cycling of all types is a mainly white,male,middle aged pastime still.
wondering why I don't see more Asian folk out on bicycles
Apparently there are nine million of them in Beijing.
Cycling is regarded by some communities as what you do when you can't afford a car.
It's an interesting quandry actually:
Would I physically attack the bigot in question? No.
Would I encourage someone else to physically attack him? No.
Would I be unhappy if he did happen to get filled in? No.
I guess I'm someone who likes other people to do his fighting for him. Wrong, but right?
Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this?
Yes, so far.
Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this?
I don't understand what you're getting at with that.
Are you implying that advice should only be given by people who are from a similar ethnic group as the person asking for the advice?
"Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this? "
Yep.
Ridden gisburn about a dozen times and happy to say I have never encountered any racism.
Is it just me that feels a bit uneasy seeing white men telling the OP how he and his pals should react to this?
You're assuming we're all white?
Anyway, really don't see what this has to do with anything. Advice is being given on the best way forward within the law to deal with this abuse, it could be any form of verbal abuse, it just so happens its racial in this instance.
You're assuming we're all white?
I'm from Scotland.
I'm pale blue. It takes us two weeks of tropical sunshine to get white.
I don't understand what you're getting at with that.
Privilege.
You're assuming we're all white?
No, assuming most are though.
The OP didn't specify anything about white guys not being able to comment as far as I recall......... he seems pretty relaxed about it - the question is why aren't you?
"Privilege" yours is revoked. 🙄
i agree very strange opinion...would it be more acceptable to inform the police of racist abuse only for them to say "suck it up princess and move on"?
No, my point was that if something did come of it then there are bigger implications regarding lack of free speech. The idiot who made those comments obviously seems to be very angry/ignorant/stupid and racist abuse shouldn't be condoned but punishing someone for hurtful comments sets a dangerous precedent and could lead to thousands of teenage internet trolls being arrested just because someone doesn't like being offended.
I do appreciate it must be intimidating to have comments like that directed at you though.
There is a difference between free speech and just being plain vile and abusive. With every right comes a responsibility.
And why should the internet be any different from doing it face to face? The repercussion of the abuse can be awful. People should learn they cannot abuse people on the internet just because the person they are abusing cannot see them or hear them.
