[Closed] Bike Security - why bother?!?

Are you talking to yourself like a crazy person?

did you even read the start of the thread

Yes I did. Seemed like an exercise in stating the obvious to me. If you do happen to personally know lots of mountain bikers who leave their bikes on roofracks overnight, lean them up against the window when they go in the shop, or put pictures of their poorly secured sheds up on Google Earth, fair enough I guess.

No! No I am not. I hate you. You make no sense.

Jesus wept.

Mr Agreeable - Member

Shoefiti, what is your point? That you'd rather have a go at the victims of a crime than do anything to help them?

Bruneep, that's an example of what I'm talking about. No-one on that forum asked for a more detailed description, said they would keep an eye out or anything remotely helpful. It was more like "what a numpty, left his bike where someone could nick it".

No-one (i was one of the posters) asked cause I would never leave a bike out in that area overnight, doubt if I would leaver it there in daylight. If you're dumb enough to put a bike out overnight you don't deserve to expect it to be there in the am.

[i]You post something on a public forum and have a hissy fit when someone takes a different point of view?[/i]

As far as I could see it wasn't a "point of view" post - more a "how do you..?"
To disagree with that seems rather silly -just find another thread to reply to.

A trawl through the last 2 months of STW forum or your blog would demonstate such activities yes, however i was suggesting ways that people could secure their garages against theft i.e. locks - alarms - more secure doors etc etc. a high horse won't get your bike back.

thank you dezb.

I think this thread was started with the aim of having a go at thicky mountain bikers who don't set man-traps in their garages, but anyway.

Re your point about the security measures people are taking, I'd want to talk to a locksmith about what's right for my particular property. Judging from the responses on here there are any number of security measures you can take, ranging from blank shotgun cartidges, to trained attack cats, to erecting a wall of DVDs.

Unfortunately, with the advent of light, powerful, and portable power-tools any lock or chain is, at best, a deterrent or inconvenience to a thief. For example, last year thieves systematically knocked a hole in a garage wall to steal DH bikes, in our local news area.
IMHO the only solution is enough security to deter a casual thief, and good insurance just in case. A determined thief will either trash everything to get his prize, or mug you for it.

Anyway bristol bike theft zars besides i've bought one of these as my garage is 10 yards from the house. I also use a ground anchor and a few chains. Luckily in Wilstshire bike theft isn't as bad as many other areas - otherwise i'd spend quite a bit more.

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now if anyone wants to shout me down for trying to show that there are cheap and effective ways to alert you to folk trying to break into your garage then go ahead i can't be bothered anymore.

And also kids - never ever ever leave a bike on a roof rack unatended.

I think this thread was started with the aim of having a go at thicky mountain bikers who don't set man-traps in their garages, but anyway.

Aye, thats how it came across to me too.

For security measures, I'd suggest as much of the best security you can afford is a good idea. Shocking eh? There have been plenty of threads on here regards the common bike storage locations - garages and sheds.

Trying to say 'This is how you secure a garage' isn't going to work. People have different budgets, insurance, value of collections, other requirements on space and accessibility, locations, opinions and experiance on the vast amount of security 'solutions' etc etc. All you can do is read the threads for ideas, look out good standard locks, chains, anchors, alarms, identify the weak areas and install the level of security you deem appropriate for your individual, unique, case.

I think this thread was started with the aim of having a go at thicky mountain bikers who don't set man-traps in their garages, but anyway.

There is a happy medium between man trap and a red carpet with a nice bike, cup of tea and some jammy dodgers at the end of it Mrdevilsadvocate.

People have different budgets

disproportionate to bike costs it would seem - argument doesn't stand up.

Blimey Shoefiti, that alarm looks like it would have Ethan Hunt scratching his head.

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that's as maybe - but if anyone opens the door i here it in the house - job done.

shoefiti - Member

that's as maybe - but if anyone opens the door i here it in the house - job done.

The problem being that you have to be in when they strike.

He might be housebound. That would explain more than just his approach to security.

well that's 90% of the time covered as i work from home. when i'm on holiday or away i lock them in my cellar and my house is alarmed. I know not everyone has this option, but i'm making the best of my current situation.

And what praytell is your approach - you seem to be the oricle of all knowledge? I have a steel door - my garage has no windows - i use ground achors and decent chain and locks - plus an alarm - i've never had a bike knicked - you have - you can not really give me any useful advice.

Au contrare, people that have had bikes stolen are invaluble, as you can examine the methods used.

My advice would be not to tell people you exact security measures, its often pretty easy to find out where forumites live, depends how paranoid you are. Otherwise it'd be pretty easy to select your tools accordingly, wander round your gaff when your not in, crow & bend your garage door, knock your alarm off the wall before it goes off, and nip through your chain with a handheld angle grinder.

Yes fair enough!

😆 Oh dear lord.

As I've said above, talk to a locksmith if you're concerned about security, not randoms on here. For Bristol people Taylor at [url= http://www.kodasecure.co.uk/ ]Koda Secure[/url] knows his stuff and is used by shops as well as quite a few mountain bikers.

Thank you - something useful - see it wasn't that hard was it?

Whilst these threads can offer some useful advice, they seem to have the effect of raising my paranoia further!
Time to deply the laser guided minks and ACME drone rats methinks....

I was trying to be in someway helpful - albeit through shock tactics - and yes paranoia isn't healthy - just as it's helpful or useful to shout down and belittle anyone that try's to draw attention to a problem - and it's a real shame that the people trying to do this are people that themselves have been victims of bike theft and offer little constructive content to the discussion other than trying to shoot down the original poster - for that i think they should be ashamed.

Shoefiti, have I just replaced Matt Carr at the top of your hitlist? 🙂

Oh get off your high horse.

a) just becuase we might disagree on some points, dosn't mean we're tryign to shout you down, or belittle you

b) 99% of this has been covered before, at length, if you'd approached it in a different matter, it might have been more constructive

c) I've never been the vicitm of bike theft. *touches wood*

Yes Mragreeable you can have that title - he has done little of note lately - not even rising to my ribbing at the BBF.

@anotherdead hero - which points of mine did you disagree with exactly?

I was trying to be in someway helpful - albeit through shock tactics

Shock tactics, where?

Whilst I appreciate what you were trying to do, your point came across very badly in your first post, your subsequent posts didn't help much either.

What do you have against Matt Carr?

The title itself - 'why bother' is that not in some way inflamatory? and your posts were helpful? and RE matt carr - i just got fed up seeing him on the cover of magazines - that space should be reserved for those that have achieved soemthing.

You sound very bitter shoefiti.

Re Matt Carr, I don't know the chap but I think the reason he gets on magazine covers is his friendship with the Future Publishing bike journos, who also appear on the front of magazines.

Oh and the thread tile comes across as more of a troll, although I don't think that's what you were trying to do.

I'm not keen on it if that's what you mean, so i stopped my subscription. Again this is getting away from the point of the thread - i fail to see how me pointing out how thieves operate and how people are being targetted is unhelpful. I suppose you drive round with your bike on your roof in complete oblivion to what may happan - or do you have a story that may be of use to readers of the forum that may highlight something that they have not of thought of?

Well maybe it wasn't the points you were making, I couldn't find much coherance in what you've said at all really.

i fail to see how me pointing out how thieves operate and how people are being targetted is unhelpful.

I don't think you've acheieved that really.

or do you have a story that may be of use to readers of the forum that may highlight something that they have not of thought of?

That didn't really come across very cleanly either. You got awfully angsty with people that refused awfully quickly too.

I suppose you drive round with your bike on your roof in complete oblivion to what may happan - or do you have a story that may be of use to readers of the forum that may highlight something that they have not of thought of?

I have theft stories and security tips which I share with biking friends to help them prevent any future problems and I used to reveal these tips on this forum, I've stopped as I realised (and has been stated above) it's giving away aspects of your own security arrangements whch is a dangerous thing to do on a public forum.

Surely you see the point I'm trying to make?

No not really - unless the readers of the forum know where you live - which i suppose they could find out - in whch case good point. However there were some useful tips starting to come out before the Bristol witch hunt started.

All i was trying to do was highlight how/why people become victims of bike theft and gain ideas of how this can be prevented by those that may of experinced this - if i'd had my bristol forum reader filter applied then maybe it would of been more constructive.

I'm off for a ride.

unless the readers of the forum know where you live - which i suppose they could find out - in whch case good point

Nail, head.

Yes, please go for a ride.

That didn't really come across very cleanly either. You got awfully angsty with people that refused awfully quickly too.

what does that mean?

You don't have to read the forum Kingtut - you could do some work - as you have said you are not prepared to offer advice to those outside your circle of riding buddies - so to be frank you have nothing to contribute anyway.

shoefiti - Member

You don't have to read the forum Kingtut - you could do some work - as you have said you are not prepared to offer advice to those outside your circle of riding buddies - so to be frank you have nothing to contribute anyway.

Well put it this way, my contribution to this thread hopefully is to highlight to people that giving details of your household security arrangements on the WWW is not a great idea.

But as you have posted details of yours, I would say from experience your security arrangements are far from good.

HTH.

what does that mean?

Basically mr_a raised a perfectly valid point, and your response was to bite his head off. You reap what you sow. You also don't own the thread.

not true - re-read it. He said

"So basically the thrust of your argument is that when someone has a bike nicked, it's not the thieves' fault, it's theirs""

To which other forum readers agreed that i hadn't meant this.

But as you have posted details of yours, I would say from experience your security arrangements are far from good.

I already stated that i have never had a bike stolen (besides a shocking old 3 speed thing i was trying to get rid for years and it took days before anyone took it) (i was 9 and wanted a new bike)