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The bloke sounds like a total dick, His attitude alone would be enough to ensure that I never let it drop.
What a cock
Thank you for the kind comments but please be assured, I wasn't looking for sympathy. I'd made a very bad decision but I won't do it again. I didn't think for a moment that agreement beforehand would be needed. I absolutely assumed it was a given.
I have photographs on my phone but believe me, they don't need to be validated that my bike is in a very poor state.
Make of this what you will. It makes no difference to me nor the position either I nor the person who currently doesn't seem to be speaking to me (at no great loss to me) find ourselves in.
given this was kind of work related, is there merit in you speaking to your boss /HR and asking them to assist your case ?
Get a quote to repair/replace and let the nob head and your boss see it, then if he can't give you any money in a lump some, see if you can arrange monthly payments through work i.e. out of his wages each month, this way you'll actually get the money back. Or see if work will pay up and take the money off him monthly. You obviously lent him the bike for a work arranged event so they should take some responsibility.
DO NOT let this go, he needs to learn his lesson as he's probably done this to other people (probably not bikes) and got away with it.
I love it how this bloke has trashed your bike and now isn't speaking to you 😕
This chap is on another planet.
This chap is on another planet.
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Ask for his plan for repayment; there's no way you should have to stump up and offer him a long term interest free loan just because he behaved like a dick.
If he isn't forthcoming, take it to management. They might say it's nothing to do with them, and they're probably right, but decent people managers would broker a solution. If it was my work I'd offer that work would pay for the damage as it was a work organised event, and then collect it back off him from salary if needs be.
Not a good position to be in - you don't want to be seen to be souring working relationships but only contact is through the workplace.
I'd get a formal written quote for what needs doing from a bike shop (he can't argue) present it to him (with witnesses) and say you want the money within 4 weeks (or the next time you get paid).
Talk to your boss and explain what you've done and that you understand that it's delicate but you thought you were doing someone a favour and don't want to be out of pocket due to the way he behaved on the day.
IF he's not paid when you said then I'd talk to your boss and say you have no choice but to go through small claims unless the company feels it can get involved due to it being a company organised event and they may be able to influence his behaviour.
He should be able to claim on his house insurance I'd have thought.
Why are we now talking about insurance, hr and legal obligations? Surely the unwritten rule of "break it, replace it" is just a convention. He has a moral obligation, of course, but no more than that. That is the danger of lending stuff to mates and colleagues.
Erm, so did I miss the bit where you told us how the lending came about in the first place?
And +1 to this...
If he pays you in dribs and drabs you'll never get it back. Give him a figure and set him a date, cash advance from a Cc or a small loan or borrow off mum n dad.
This didn't happen, did it?
*waits for pictures taken off google image search*
Because nobhead that borrowed it is claiming not to be able to pay it back.
He has a moral obligation
Wouldn't expect someone who treated someone else's property like that to have decent morals. It's all well and good to be "it's just "stuff", mellow out maaan", but people seem to conveniently forget that value of said "stuff" is in the eye of the owner!
OP, if this is a job you want to stay in I'd pursue a quiet word with the manager like others have suggested before taking a more aggressive route. Remember, your career over time is probably worth more cumulatively than the bike costs.
Lol at bongohoohea.
Go on, op, indulge us. Stick them up.
where has all this doubt and suspicion about it not being real come from?
OP this isn't the Giant you were getting on cycle to work is it?
Maybe that's the answer - he gets a bike on cycle to work then gives it to the OP
Gotta say I find it kind of pathetic that some feel the need to question the honesty of the OP. He started the thread with a simple question. Why some feel the need to accuse him of lying or making it up is beyond me.
When people start asking advice on what bike to get should we demand images of bank account details or piles of money to prove they can actually afford to buy one?
Anyway... OP I would also assumed the break it you buy it rule. In life there are people who are kind, generous and helpful and then there are selfish people who take advantage of them. You've just proved yourself the former and your colleague the latter. I think the word cockwomble was mentioned. Seems about as accurate as you can get. I feel your pain. Its an expensive lesson but a lesson never the less.
I don't get all the aggro going OP's direction, get a life you lot.
The great loss here is that the OP has been burned by this cockwomble and will be very reluctant to lend or share in future (and go back to lurking, which is a shame).
To answer the opening question. No, it should not need saying but depending on your assessment of the borrower's character it might be prudent to. 🙁
Iolo. Can I just say that you are coming across as particularly unpleasant on this thread. Just thought you''d like to know.
Why are we now talking about insurance, hr and legal obligations? Surely the unwritten rule of "break it, replace it" is just a convention. He has a moral obligation, of course, but no more than that.
Er… is that not obvious? It's precisely because insurance etc [i]isn't[/i] just a convention. So in the case where you have a moral obligation but an apparent absence of the morals required in order for it to have any effect, a call to one or other of the protagonists' insurers should hopefully see the OP sorted out.
I think iolo should post a picture of himself, with today's paper and a fish to prove he's real and not just an internet troll.
No, it should not need saying but depending on your assessment of the borrower's character it might be prudent to.
But then again, with some people, even if it's said up front, it's soon forgotten once they're asked to actually shoulder the responsibility of it.
[i]cockwomble[/i]
I've only ever seen this word on this forum, why on earth do people use it?
Because this forum is home to the last remaining colony of Cockwombles in the northern hemisphere.
OP- lots of good advice and a tough lessons learnt in hindsight, not that I expect that there will be a next time.
In the cold light of day, what is the extent of the damage and costs to put right? Is the shifter and frame still usable? Can they be tidied up along with some new bar tape? I'd take your bike to a trusted LBS and get their opinion.
If the event was part or fully sanctioned by your work, I'd speak with your boss and see what they can do to sort you out, after providing a favour to a "colleague".
Presumably the borrower has shown no cockwomble tendencies previously, or you would not have lent to him? He has certainly demonstrated this now to you, his colleagues and manager, so I would not worry too much about him not speaking to you. His cards are marked and maybe he doesn't care (sounds like it), but no one at work will ever do him a favour again.
A payment plan, would you ever see it? Life's too short. Tell him what you think, the damage he has cost and shut him out. Karma will catch up with him soon and possibly some bombers too. Does he ever remove his shoes at work? 🙂
I've only ever seen this word on this forum, why on earth do people use it?
Because it means something. It's a thing that words do 😉 What would you prefer? Arsecandle? Bumcrumble? Dangleberry? Doglobber?
I prefer '****wit'
Well, don't we all.
Gary_M - MemberI've only ever seen this word on this forum
I've seen it on T shirts.
Well, don't we all.
Not all.
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There seems to be a bit of naivety about how much influence the OP's employer might exert. If I were that employer I'd steer well clear of this particular minefield.
Unless...
...the bike was bought through a Cycle to Work scheme, and therefore is still the property of the OP's employer and was lent out to another employee.
Which it just might well have been.
Very sorry to hear about your experience, OP. Hope something gets resolved for you.
Years ago, I 'lent' a friend an old bike so he could use it as transport. I didn't really expect or even want it back, but I was very disappointed when I learned his girlfriend had thrown it in a skip because it was 'broken'. She'd done this while he was out one day, and all it needed was a bit of a service. It wasn't a bad bike either. It wasn't so much loosing it that upset me, more the lack of understanding it's value and serviceability. And it was still, technically, my bike.
The reason I'd lent him the bike in the first place, was because the bike he'd lent to another friend had been stolen (the guy left it unlocked in the entrance of a busy supermarket). He, like me, never saw any recompense for our loss. Sometimes you just have to accept things and move on. Hopefully, other good things will happen to redress the balance.
[i]Because it means something[/i]
Does it really, I thought it was just made up nonsense. like that extremely annoying 'mahoosive' thing people say round these parts.
Because it means somethingDoes it really, I thought it was just made up nonsense. like that extremely annoying 'mahoosive' thing people say round these parts.
😥 People never say 'mahoosive' round my parts
Good see the important issues are being considered - I personally prefer the use of the term ****nuckle 🙂
[i]People never say 'mahoosive' round my parts [/i]
Maybe they do, but in conjunction with 'disappointment' 😉
...the bike was bought through a Cycle to Work scheme, and therefore is still the property of the OP's employer and was lent out to another employee.
Danger! I think it's a standard clause that the employee should take out any relevant insurance so highlighting the fact that the bike actually belongs to the employer, and that insurance *hasn't* been taken out, isn't likely to end well... 😕
Crappy situation, commiserations OP.
****bandage - a ligament support applied for nothing other than attention-seeking.
****bandage - a ligament support applied for nothing other than attention-seeking
Could you put one of those round your* mahoosive cockwomble??
*royal 'your'
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mahoosive cockwomble??
Uncle Bulge area?
If I'm wrong and the bike is definitely as described I sympathise with you op but it seems you'll get your money. This thread went on forever without any evidence. Not even communication with the guy who broke the bike. Several posters have requested pictures that are now on the op's phone. The longer he keeps them to himself then the more suspicious people become. Post the pics up op and I will feel your pain. I'm cynical and sometimes something just doesn't feel right about this thread. I'm not the only one to suggest it but possibly I'm a bit too direct sometimes.
There's only one way to prove it and make me look like the arse that I possibly am.
Yeah OP, prove to the random person on the internet your not lying!! go on, what are you hiding?