[Closed] Attacked by a dog, what now?

binners - Member

Maybe the owners should be shot, if their mutt bites someone?

Nah.

Just prosecuted for failing to control their animal.
It's the dog who should be destroyed.

6,447 people were admitted to hospital for dog bites in 2011-12
1040 of those were under 10.

Acceptable?

Still missing the point.

All that's required is the owners to understand there is a real issue with their dog, and to deal with it through training. That would actually fix the problem for that dog, and hopefully all dogs they would then own.

Given they live on a farm, they're likely to continue to own dogs. So it would make sense.

They may be lovely people, just bad dog owners.

A dog only understands the boundaries that have been set for it by the owners, if the owners don't know what these are, or how to do this, then the dog is doomed to fail.

A lack of knowledge, or understand can be a dangerous thing.

Anyway. As said above, you need to report it so that it's raised as an issue that needs to be dealt with.

I work with dogs, and have trained lots of dogs. I'm starting a training school next year also, and my recommendation to police would be one to one training sessions mandated to the owners for 6 months.

The biting is a reaction to something as a trigger, its pretty simple to replace the reaction the dog demonstrates, but unless the owners are made aware of how serious an issue it is the dog cannot be helped.

Essentially the dog would be frightened, which leads to fear, which leads to a desire to act first. He needs desensitising, which can be done with the vast majority of dogs, it just needs time and patience.

Reporting it to the police is the best thing for everyone, you, the family and the dog. You may stop it from hurting others, and you could stop it from the dog actually ending up being put down

like this dog? http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/owner-pleads-guilty-after-dog-6388597

the lovely bit about this story is that the owner did a runner only handing himself in when his picture was published by the MEN

or this one
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/staffie-dog-attack-leaves-whalley-6400368

“What's shocking is that when I was in hospital three out of the four beds had people with dog attacks in. One had had his ear bitten off.

be careful out there

Aaaaaaaawwwwww - can we not shoot them?! Go on!!

I thought it wouldn't be long before the dog kissers arrived!

call them up and tell them that you cycle past there all the time, and if it happens again you'll report it....

Next time you go past see if there is still a crazy hound on the loose. You never know this might be well out of character for the dog, and despite what people say he might not be the crazy devil hound that people have assumed.

rickon - Member

Still missing the point.

All that's required is the owners to understand there is a real issue with their dog, and to deal with it through training. That would actually fix the problem for that dog, and hopefully all dogs they would then own.

So how do you propose we bring this about?

Report it to the police. The courts can impose such an action.

No second chances, that is a horrendous idea, what if it had been a child cycling past!? Im not saying it should just be shot but things need assessing now.

Simple answer, ban ALL dogs of a certain type and size, akitas, alsatians, dobermans etc etc unless you are a skilled dog handler and can prove it.

Society in the uk is getting out of control with crap dog culture, i love dogs, will likely have one in the near future but not some stupidly large or specifically bred dangerous abomination. (Just how many of these animals were bred for protection or fighting? - f@@king mental that we now buy them as family pets!)

rickon - Member

Report it to the police. The courts can impose such an action.

Not working very well, is it, seeing as dog attacks are increasing?

Do we have any figures regarding this court imposed action?

How many reported?
Action taken, etc?

binners - Member

Aaaaaaaawwwwww - can we not shoot them?! Go on!!

Go on then.
But only if you promise not to enjoy it.
I'll check you know.

I know someone who's dog own attacked her three year old child; causing serious facial damage that required complex surgery. Fortunately, ten years later, the child now has minimal scarring. So what did she do about her dog?

I'm glad you asked? She spent over £1500 on classes to train the dog not to do this naughty thing again. Me? I'd have killed the ****ing dog with the nearest sharp pointed instrument I could lay my hands on!

I got bitten by two Rottweilers not all that long ago, public footpath ran through someone's garden and although it warned of dogs running free it mentioned nothing about them biting. The woman's reply when I confronted her was pathetic and could tell it had happened before and being as I had my sixty year old mum in the car with my own dog I reported it immediately as if either of them had come with me it could of been much worse. They came out to my house and took the statement and I basically said I didn't want it going further than the police going round and having a serious word with them about it. Definitely report it but more than that is your decision to make.

Go on then.
But only if you promise not to enjoy it.

As for OP report for the offence and get the firmest actions given the owners complete and utter lack of GAS over an actual wound that required treatment and leaving it to small kids to deal with - that probably tells you all you need to know how about seriously they take responsibility!

The insane thing is, if a person ran out of the house, down the road and started smacking seven bells of crap out of someone they would be in court for assault or worse....

How some people can even consider it would be OK for a dog to do this is beyond me.

I can only see this problem growing too as dogs become more popular, something needs to be done. What was the last one that made the papers? A dead pregnant woman at the hand of a dog.... mental.

The insane thing is, if a person ran out of the house, down the road and started smacking seven bells of crap out of someone they would be in court for assault or worse....

How some people can even consider it would be OK for a dog to do this is beyond me.

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Report it for all of the above reasons...needs putting down!

OP - What did the Police say last night when you reported it?

Bitten once by nasty collie outside farm cottages. It had 'never bitten anyone before'. Aye right. Police very involved. Went to court. Got compensation 'offer' -- which I sent to SSPCA.

Apparently it then bit someone else - or a different collie did. Not sure of the outcome there but not good. I'd be kicking up stink with the owners to be honest, dogs aren't the problem, just the symptom.

Fact that the parent didn't come down, despite being a nurse, is ringing all sorts of bells..

The insane thing is, if a person ran out of the house, down the road and started smacking seven bells of crap out of someone they would be in court for assault or worse....

How some people can even consider it would be OK for a dog to do this is beyond me.

+2

My three year old daughter was knocked off her balance bike by a dog yesterday. The owner said "Oh dear, I thought he might do that" - Well why the **** didn't you put him on a lead then?!! 👿

To be honest, the vast majority of dog owners I encounter are responsible owners, with fairly well behaved dogs, but there's that tiny minority that boil my p**s 👿

Burn it's kennel down. Only language that sort understands!

Report it. It's far from certain that the dog would be destroyed on this occasion, but the owners definitely need a bollocking ASAP.

Any chance you can give me the address? I'll round up a load of kids and take them up there for a good old feast. I ****ing hate kids.

How some people can even consider it would be OK for a dog to do this is beyond me.

Two puncture wounds = not an aggressive bite. More like puncture wound from the canines resulting from a chase and grab response. A proper bite would leave you with a chunk of calf missing. (The long canines are the reason why dogs often pop cheap plastic footballs.)
It shouldn't have happened and it could have been a child, but I wouldn't say the dog was dangerous, you and it were just unlucky.

I'm glad you asked? She spent over £1500 on classes to train the dog not to do this naughty thing again. Me? I'd have killed the ****ing dog with the nearest sharp pointed instrument I could lay my hands on!

Yeah but you're one of those simple reactionary types who only does things to make themselves feel better.

[i]Two puncture wounds = not an aggressive bite[/i]

😯

I suspect, for the recipient, being bitten [i]feels[/i] quite aggressive.

But no, they should be grateful it was just a playful nip and they've not lost half their calf.

A predatory response in a dog which is capable of leaving an inch-deep puncture wound makes it dangerous in my book, whatever the technical definition of the term. It was certainly dangerous to the OP, he will be left with scarring, and will quite likely be dangerous to the next cyclist who heads up that way.

pondo - Member
How some people can even consider it would be OK for a dog to do this is beyond me.

Who said that?
POSTED 8 MINUTES AGO #
I_did_dab - Member
Two puncture wounds = not an aggressive bite. More like puncture wound from the canines resulting from a chase and grab response. A proper bite would leave you with a chunk of calf missing. (The long canines are the reason why dogs often pop cheap plastic footballs.)
It shouldn't have happened and it could have been a child, but I wouldn't say the dog was dangerous, you and it were just unlucky.

POSTED 8 MINUTES AGO #

aaah.. the sweet irony of these comments being posted at exactly the same moment 😀

the dog is a ****..

I like dogs and consequently am concerned that if this isn't reported an innocent dog could be killed by this dangerous one at some point in the future. The behaviour of its owners doesn't exactly inspire confidence does it?

Don't see what the issue is? Chicks dig scars...

"Oh this?! I was attacked by a shark when i was surfing off the coast of Australia... Oh my, your pants have fallen off!"

Sorry to lower this debate to a question but, what would happen if the incident got reported, the dog got put down? Would the owners automatically be banned from keeping dogs? I sense not. Didn't I hear that dog laws are being tightened up? Anyone know what was included in that proposal?

Glad you've reported it. Have the dog put down and hopefully it will teach another inconsiderate dog owner a lesson at the same time. I feel sorry for the animal having to have such an inconsiderate owner.

I would also try and peruse them for an much costs as humanly possible.

I_did_dab - Member

Two puncture wounds = not an aggressive bite. More like puncture wound from the canines resulting from a chase and grab response. A proper bite would leave you with a chunk of calf missing. (The long canines are the reason why dogs often pop cheap plastic footballs.)
It shouldn't have happened and it could have been a child, but I wouldn't say the dog was dangerous, you and it were just unlucky.

You know the test and training I proposed for prospective dog owners?
It would be designed to weed out people like you, who should never, ever be allowed to own a dog.

Eerily similar to the dog bite thread last week with someone claiming that the dog that bit that OP wasn't "out of control", it was just "not under control". Which are totally different things.

Someone will be along to say the dog was just playing with the OP and the OP must have upset it by looking at it funny, or breathing, or blinking..... 🙄

Sorry to lower this debate to a question but, what would happen if the incident got reported, the dog got put down? Would the owners automatically be banned from keeping dogs? I sense not. Didn't I hear that dog laws are being tightened up? Anyone know what was included in that proposal?

When this happened to me a few years ago the local Police recommended I ask that the owner be prosecuted for failing to control a dog in a public place & let the legal system do its job. Once they started investigating it transpired I wasn't the first victim & the owner had started driving to the spot where it happened to avoid the fields opposite his house where previous attacks had happened.

Unfortunately, the dog was destroyed but the owner was fined & banned from dog ownership for 5 years (IIRC). He also was ordered to pay compensation but I declined other than the for the shoes & socks I couldn't get the blood stains out of.

I accept that pointing out the difference between an accidental wound and a full on bite is controversial. Dog canines are sharp and pointy, human calves are soft and squishy. Combine those with a predatory instinct and a prey object to chase and its an accident waiting to happen.
I don't think the dog should be put down for one mistake. I do think it should have been under control, i.e. tied up or muzzled in that circumstance.
I have two dogs and am very careful because I know that even friendly dogs can have accidents.

I have two dogs and am very careful because I know that even friendly dogs can have accidents.

By 'accident', I presume you mean sinking its teeth into someone for no apparent reason whatsoever?

How about if I had an 'accident' where as some kind of bizarre reflex action I have no control over, I just walked over and punched you in the face? Just chalk it down to experience? No need to report it to anyone?

[i]even friendly dogs can have accidents.[/i]

an accident is nipping someone in the middle of a rough game or when they reach for the stick the dog's trying to pick up.

running out of a farm gate and biting a passing cyclist is not 'an accident'

Friends of mine kept a boxer dog on their farm. He had a lovely temper, friendly with their kids, seemed well trained etc. Then one day he bit the postman. They had him put down... the dog, not the postman.

I think that dog owners in this situation that are facing the prospect of having their dog destroyed should be offered a service (for a small fee) where they can have their animal returned to them in the form of a tasty pie..

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@binners - rather emotional this morning?
Never said anything about not reporting or letting due process deal with things.
All I'm saying is that the dog may not have intended to injure the thing it was chasing, as opposed to a deliberate attack where a reasonably sized dog can do a lot of damage.

an accident is nipping someone in the middle of a rough game or when they reach for the stick the dog's trying to pick up.

running out of a farm gate and biting a passing cyclist is not 'an accident'

I_did_dab - Member

I accept that pointing out the difference between an accidental wound and a full on bite is controversial. Dog canines are sharp and pointy, human calves are soft and squishy. Combine those with a predatory instinct and a prey object to chase and its an accident waiting to happen.
I don't think the dog should be put down for one mistake. I do think it should have been under control, i.e. tied up or muzzled in that circumstance.
I have two dogs and am very careful because I know that even friendly dogs can have accidents.

I love dogs.
But rubbish like that is the main reason I genuinely despise irresponsile dog owners.

If your dog bites someone, it is not an accident, it's your fault.
Your fault and your responsibility.

the point is to the dog they could both be a game...

The point is that the owner had no control over the animal, and their irresponsibility caused someone to get bitten.

If you can't see this, you shouldn't be allowed to own one.

perhaps a curry..?