The motors aren’t actually all that complicated tbh. So if you are half competent at pulling things apart and fixing, should be some fair bargains to be had in the next few years.
No need at the moment. Manufacturers are desperate to be the reliability or ‘sort you out’ guys, as that’s peoples concern. So much so that if you wrote ‘bosch’ in tipex on a 3rd hand shimano motor, they’d probably warranty it.
It'll be interesting to see what effect Brexit has on UK pricing.
Potentially adding 10-20% to prices is on the cards I'd suspect.
Though will an extra £400-500 make much difference if you were happy to spend £3000-4000 in the first place?
Might have been a set up problem but a mate who was also having a borrow (different bike) came to the same conclusions. Ran em dry after 3hrs too.
“Having ridden a giant e trance at bike park Wales for a day I found the bike way too heavy on the downs clunking over everything and nose diving the drop offs“
I’ve noticed MotoX bikes jump bad too...
Can't we just unify and come together in a shared hatred of unicycles or something??
colp. read it again.
rubbish downhill, awful on twisty singletrack. Annoying
I think he was describing most STWers who pop up on threads like this and can't cope with Ebikes. not the actual ebike.
Yeh the extra weight of an ebike.. Why?
Probably because I'm not weak AF.
Is the extra weight noticable? Yes. Can I cope with it and ride it just as well as I can my regular bikes? absolutely
I’ve noticed MotoX bikes jump bad too…
I've heard it's why Travis pastrana went back to jumping this
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The motors aren’t actually all that complicated tbh. So if you are half competent at pulling things apart and fixing, should be some fair bargains to be had in the next few years.No need at the moment. Manufacturers are desperate to be the reliability or ‘sort you out’ guys, as that’s peoples concern. So much so that if you wrote ‘bosch’ in tipex on a 3rd hand shimano motor, they’d probably warranty it.
dunno, bosch already selling a 100 quid refresh kit for their motors, they only come with a 2 year warranty. So I dunno.
Is the extra weight noticable? Yes. Can I cope with it and ride it just as well as I can my regular bikes? absolutely
aye ye get used to the weight after a couple of rides, so much so that it just becomes second nature.
I'm no riding god(a million miles off it), but what I'll ride on my ebike is exactly the same as I'll ride on a normal bike. there's just no difference.
And they aren't even that hard to get over fences...
We've found that E-Bikes have opened up a new market mostly for people who would not have bought a regular bike . There are others who share the philosophy of Geex and are already cyclists but prefer the downs to the ups or are just time poor and want to get more runs in or do more descending in the same amount of time because that's what they enjoy . These people usually have a pretty capable regular enduro bike or similar so the E-Bike is an extra purchase that they would not have otherwise made . There are others who are getting on a bit and want the added assistance of an E-Bike who would otherwise not be cycling any more . We've even seen a customer buy an E-bike because he was well over 20 stone and to unfit to cycle . The E=Bike allowed him to get out in the hills , lose weight and when he hit 15 stone he bought a non E-Bike . So in short mostly good news for the bike shop where I work .
they only come with a 2 year warranty
Warranty resets if you get a new one (says in the vid). I took my Spesh for its first general service, after just less than 2 years, motor was replaced as the bearings were grumbly, got a current gen motor back, with a fresh 2 year warranty.
Pro tip... Always take the bike in just before the warranty runs out, you never know your luck...
Yip, I know, but they still wouldn't be selling the kit of they were planning on this warranty for ever.
it's pretty funny all the fitness posturing you hear from folk so "fit" they also think a 48lb bike is too heavy to lift over a gate or bunnyhop. 😀
Whoever mentioned snobbery. it's pretty much the reason anyone here dislikes anything that's not what they themselves do. Fitness snobbery is just weird.
Whoever mentioned snobbery. it’s pretty much the reason anyone here dislikes anything that’s not what they themselves do.
It's just fun and light piss taking out of folk who think they know it all.
Like you. 🙂
More people enjoying playing in the countryside - good, as long as they're not being dicks about it.
People getting all judgeypants about other people's experiences and choices - dicks.
I'm not fit. I'm 49 with two ****ed knees and breathing issues.
I don't want an ebike. Yet.
In ten years I'll be all over them like a cheap suit.
And I reckon you'll still be trolling like a gud'un. 🙂
I have a Levo. It is fun to ride. Uphill, downhill, but especially uphill, tight, twisty single track. It is not a toy, and definitely not for a beginner. It takes skill and strength to ride it. It is not for the infirm or unfit.
Like a £3500+ normal bike, I would guess most purchasers are already mtbers.
To answer the OP. I’m not sure. But that’s based on my skewed perception of bike buying and my circle of friends.
I only know two people with ebikes. One bought one because he’s lazy. A lifelong biker who now can’t keep up with his son, who happens to be a riding god.
The other has bought one in addition to his normal bike. He’s a really good rider, but just fancied an ebike to keep up with his mates who all had one. He still mostly rides his normal bike.
The two friends I rode with today, one bought bought a high end non-ebike, even though he’d be the usual suspect, and the other is waiting for her high end carbon FS to arrive.
And then there’s me, who really needs an ebike to keep up, riding a plus SS.
Trolling? Nah... Sorry rusty. Never heard of it.
Good old fashioned piss taking? Yeah! I'm all for that. Especially when surrounded by dumbasses furiously typing away attempting to take the piss out of younger, far faster, stronger, hugely more skilled, far more knowledgable and vastly better looking folk than themselves. It's kind of effortless. a bit like climbing on an Ebike, eh?
I don’t want an ebike. Yet.
In ten years I’ll be all over them like a cheap suit.
Yeah why have one now when you can wait until you're even more weak, wheezy, unfit and scared of hurting your knees. Or are you waiting until your local trails have stannah lifts installed at all the gates?
Yeah chap. you definitely know what's what and can rip the piss like a champ!
Good old fashioned piss taking? Yeah! I’m all for that.
Well sweetie, it appears you can give it, but you can't take it. 🙂
Especially when surrounded by dumbasses furiously typing away attempting to take the piss out of younger, far faster, stronger, hugely more skilled, far more knowledgable and vastly better looking folk than themselves.
That's more like it.
It’s kind of effortless. a bit like climbing on an Ebike, eh?
Not for you, your coming across as trying waaaaay to hard.
Has someone touched a nerve?
Too close to home?
Yeah why have one now when you can wait until you’re even more weak, wheezy, unfit and scared of hurting your knees.
Because I still like riding an ordinary bike. Uphill and downhill.
Or are you waiting until your local trails have stannah lifts installed at all the gates?
It was you who said riding uphill was 'shitty'. Make your mind up. I thought God was infallible?
Yeah chap. you definitely know what’s what and can rip the piss like a champ!
Well, you seem to be a bit upset.
Have you considered going for a nice bike ride to calm down? 🙂
You really do come across as an arrogant, humourless arsehole with far too high an opinion of yourself and a very thin skin.
Are there any frame only e mtb bikes available yet? I fancy trying one, but I've got a load of parts I could fit to a frame to make the initial cost lower
Doubt it, because then they wouldn't be able to charge you more for ebike specific(!) Wheels, forks, saddles, etc.
I wonder what the sales figures for 2018 look like across the price segments?
Was the actual point of the post. A quick Google would suggest the data is not easy to come by. Total bikes sales but not by price or type of bike and nothing for 2018.
Although you can answer your question "are high end mountain bikes with out motors selling". It is Yes they are as many on this forum have bought them.
Now you can all carry on with the willy waving. Apparently Geex has the biggest one (well according to him anyway)
Oh... Rus. Do remind us all why you're still returning here banging away attempting to put down emtbs and their riders?
Because I still like riding an ordinary bike. Uphill and downhill.
hmmm...
Yeah. As do I. Still have 10 of 'em and still prefer the handling of an ordinary bike so ride one just as much as I do an emtb. Putting in more effort or going slower doesn't magically mean I'd find repeating the same long dull climbs exciting or even particularly fun. Quite the opposite infact. Knowing all about ebikes I'd have expected you to know this.
Well, you seem to be a bit upset.
Over the words of some misinformed random spouting rubbish on the internet? Ha ha... don't make me laugh. I aint no snowflake.
humourless arsehole
Whoooooooooshhhh... and in the words of Johnny Lydon "Ooooh a naughty word?" You wouldn't be brave enough to name call in real life away from the safety of your keyboard and you know it. It's kind of pathetic you've resorted to it here when you aren't getting your own way.
a very thin skin.
Quite the opposite honey.
@Julians not very many frame options out there at all ATM unfoirtunately. Best bet would probably be to speak to an LBS with links to an importer and buying one of the generic shimano steps Astro eng frames direct from overseas. But then you're left dealing with your own motor/battery purchase and warranty and it'd probably end up more expensive. Easier to buy a lower spec model of your ideal bike, sell on the new parts and fit your own.
they are becoming more and more popular everywhere I go....
im sick to death of them already - then the owners (usually lazy middle aged men who cant be arsed to pedal uphill) have to chirp in with 'I only use it on the low setting', for some kind of justification for being a lazy bastard.....
I really do not get them....
(puts up shield)…..
Interesting to see at least one response from somebody in the trade.
Getting back to the original question; I think, probably, yes. I don't think it would be worth the investment fom manufacturers if all they were doing was getting people to buy the ebike that cost them a fortune to develop instead of the high end bike they already had. I'm guessing that the aim at the moment is to sell an extra bike to a few keen cyclists but mainly to expand the market i.e. to try to sell an ebike to people who wouldn't normally buy a bike.
A lot of the debate online is between people who are already keen mountain bikers, but really we are irrelevant. The ebike will remain an option for mountain bikers, just like it has been for many years. It's popularity will no doubt wax and wane but that's not what matters. What matters is whether it suceeds in expanding the market as that is what will bring in the cash to drive developments. Personally I'm sceptical on that front. I think, in the short term, there are people who don't really like cycling but think they might like it if it were a bit easier. In the longer term I suspect that, if you don't like it, making it a bit easier won't change much. But we'll see.
So what's worse then? Conversations about ebikes or conversations about brexit?
Oh… Rus. Do remind us all why you’re still returning here banging away attempting to put down emtbs and their riders?
I'm not. 🙂
I'm pro ebike, always have been. I'm just anti know it all.
Whoooooooooshhhh… and in the words of Johnny Lydon “Ooooh a naughty word?” You wouldn’t be brave enough to name call in real life away from the safety of your keyboard and you know it. It’s kind of pathetic you’ve resorted to it here when you aren’t getting your own way.
Apologies for that, I was out of order. But you do come across that way on this thread, as you've automatically assumed I'm anti ebike when I've said no such thing.
Conversations about ebikes or conversations about brexit?
Apparently 87% of Brexiters aspire to an eBike. Make of that what you will.
Apparently 87% of Brexiters aspire to an eBike.
Fake news, if we didn’t have them in the blitz, we don’t want them now. Plus theyre all forrin.
I love my ebike as I get to go as quick as the top 10% of people I see on strava on their clockwork bikes, the other 90% just get in the way wheezing and puffing their way up hills and then using none of their lightweight advantage going downhill so still in the way. Hopefully there will be some ebike only trails so we can get on with going fast and not have the slow people on clockwork bikes clogging the trail up, there is no fun in going slow it's all about the speed man 🙂
appology accepted dude. I know you're not a bad fella.
I also know you're pro-ebike. It's just that you have very little experience of them and I find your decision to stay that way for a further 10 years pretty odd.
anti know it all to the point of not listening to any experience is also a pretty odd trait
I don't actually claim to know everything about emtbs at all. infact my experience and knowledge are only good regarding one emtb genre and motor. But I do have well over 150 riding hours experience on that and know I'd have had one in my 20s if something as good as I have now had been available (as well as the DH, XC, DJ, BMX and road bikes I've also always had).. I shudder to think back to just how many hours in total I must have spent pushing a 46lb DH bike uphill all day (almost every weekend for over a decade).
It's just chat about bikes. I've never really taken it seriously and you have probably missed a lot of the (dry/dark) humour in what I type. Despite how I might come across nothing on here is worth getting worked up about and falling out with folk over.
Peace bruv 😉
If I could buy 2 new high end priced bikes, I would definitely buy 2 ebikes. 1 for me and one for my kid. It would enable us to go riding together so much more than we do! Would be brilliant.
If, however, it was 1 bike, it would be a proper MTB for the lad and he'd have to learn to love pedalling uphill. Cos he doesn't like it, no sir. Dilemma really.
But I wouldn't buy just an ebike for myself, or just an ebike for him, that just wouldn't work.
Dunno where that means I sit in the City of Bickerdom.
If I could buy 2 new high end priced bikes, I would definitely buy 2 ebikes. 1 for me and one for my kid. It would enable us to go riding together so much more than we do! Would be brilliant.
I'm very proud of my lad, who having just turned 10 can ride anything I can and, tbh, on a good day on the road bike, can probably outride me on the climbs! He'd love an eBike, of course ('cos he can ride faster on it!) but he's super fit and certainly doesn't need one. I'd much prefer to modify my own riding to accommodate him, than put batteries under his saddle. I accept that I'm very fortunate here though, and other kids will need a lot more encouragement to get out and ride all day, but mine likes the climbs!
Off round the Rochdale Evans ride on Saturday and the only power he'll need will be Haribo 🙂
dilemma over guys
Ebikes aren't legal for 10yr olds. The law says 14 and over in the UK I'm afraid.
nothing stopping you towing them on your eeb though
My son is 16.
Ebikes aren’t legal for 10yr olds. The law says 14 and over in the UK I’m afraid.
As an academic exercise, wouldn't this only apply for on-road use and not off-road?
Ebikes aren’t legal for 10yr olds. The law says 14 and over in the UK I’m afraid.
As an academic exercise, wouldn’t this only apply for on-road use and not off-road?
At 14 you can ride an ebike as and where you would a normal bicycle. I'd bet this would be the case in all public places. Under 14s private land only.
Rapturous applause for the Big Hitting on this thread.
Just my personal experience, & I really don’t care what anyone rides, or can ride on their bike whatever it is, but I bought an ebike to get out more again, I love being on a bike but I have never enjoyed climbing shallow long inclines no matter what they are, short sharp technical climbs I can just about do, but a mile on a 1% incline would bore me to death & as I’m now in my late 40’s & pretty unfit I would be puffing harder than I would on the last cigarette in the world.
As I said I bought an ebike to get me out again & with some friends who ride in a group that enjoys riding miles on roads & bridleways, not my bag but I enjoy the company & getting out & the ebike allows me to just pootle along with them without breaking a sweat. I always ride to the slowest riders pace, just like I did 30 years ago when I was fit & a fairly good rider, I have never had a competitive nature in this respect.
Anyway I bought what I thought was a decent hardtail for the money, I thought it would keep me honest as it wasn’t a skills compensater for the technical bits, but I love the fact it lets me go fast everywhere & do trails further from home that I thought I would never bother with again, so I have bought a short travel FS to let me go even faster inthe tecnical stuff, you just can’t beat fast & I don’t care if it upsets a few people.
Cheers.
re: retail. I've asked the question in two branches of a local bike store. both indepedently of each other said that 50 perecent, yes FIFTY of their new bike sales are e-bikes.
Beoing fron a small town, I've also been into a few city based stores andin the more high-end ones e-bikes are taking over floor space too.
thw two middla-aged men I know with e-bikes. 1) the first had cancer and uses it for recovery and to keep in the loop with his social riding group. 2) the other had a serious smash on his crotch rocket and his hips/knees got crushed and having regular ops.
Looking at either you wouldn't know they weren'y "lazy fast arses".
there are a group of non-impaired e-bikers locally too.
i've been on the fence about this and still waver but facts are this.
1) they dont make riding up hills easy unless the assist is turned way up. (and that means range is lowered)
2) they do keep you fit, just not in the same way as above threshold efforts do.
3) they lead to a different interpretation of the landscape. i see on strava people choosing different rouses because of climbs that are regularly avoided. (horizaontl combe (valley) hopping rather than riding up and out) if i were exploring an area i'd enjoy one for that aspect.
personally i want to stay legit. unless the status quo changes i won't get one.
1) they dont make riding up hills easy unless the assist is turned way up.
Where on earth do you get this idea from? Even in eco mine makes every climb a hell of a lot less effort than a regular bike.
unless the status quo changes i won’t get one
Wassat mean??
“1) they dont make riding up hills easy unless the assist is turned way up. (and that means range is lowered)
2) they do keep you fit, just not in the same way as above threshold efforts do.”
Maybe it’s just me but a lot of the time when I’m on my own having the assistance means I put far MORE effort into the climbs but they take much less time. So it turns my more steady state endurance exercise into high intensity interval training.
“3) they lead to a different interpretation of the landscape. i see on strava people choosing different rouses because of climbs that are regularly avoided. (horizaontl combe (valley) hopping rather than riding up and out) if i were exploring an area i’d enjoy one for that aspect.”
This is true. The assistance shortens the climbs and makes steeper stuff possible (which would otherwise be a push up), so you can ride very up-down-up-down routes.
I went out on mine when ill last week. It was horrible. Yes, the motor dragged me up the hills but it was so much harder to ride the singletrack descents because it’s a bigger heavier bike - if you don’t ride strong you just end up a passenger. I bailed and went home.
love that the point i made about climbs got two opposiing answered already 😀
"Wassat mean??"
if they bcome the normal, rather than the exception to the rule.
i dont think they're the devil, but also dont think they're the end all. more like an n+1 for a different type of ride.
love that the point i made about climbs got two opposiing answered already 😀
it didn't.
Chief's reply is obtuse as usual. He's saying he can climb faster for the same effort. (Same thing as making the climbs easier, worded differently)
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I went out on mine when ill last week. It was horrible. Yes, the motor dragged me up the hills but it was so much harder to ride the singletrack descents because it’s a bigger heavier bike – if you don’t ride strong you just end up a passenger. I bailed and went home.
WTF? To mummy I assume?
For all that weight training you keep going on about sounds like you're a complete sap on a bike.
if they bcome the normal, rather than the exception to the rule.
I thought you either meant that, or if something happened to your physical well-being.
What does it matter if they're the normal? Just do what you wanna do.
[i]For all that weight training you keep going on about sounds like you’re a complete sap on a bike.[/i]
Love it. Different opinion to geex, you're a weak limbed, useless rider, mummy's boy.
(or he's just soooo hilarious)
