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However I’m now off to check out Rose bikes for my own prospective purchase
Awesome, my commission will be rolling in soon! 😀
I was gonna keep my old CR1 SL as a “climbing bike”, until used bike prices went bonkers.
It feels strangely liberating to just have one road bike now though.
I'll sell the CR1 as soon as I get a replacement, don't have the space for too many bikes. I've got a dedicated winter bike (Spesh Diverge) with mudguards etc. I always kept meaning to get a 2nd set of wheels for hilly days (we have a cottage in Swaledale) but never got round to it and just use the 'heavy' 404s....
Been riding my TCR advanced Pro for the past few months. It is a bit lardy with discs, 28mm GP5000TLs and Di2. Think it’s over 8kg. Anyway had a few repairs to do on my Cannondale Supersix, Ultegra mechanical old race bike (2016 model). It’s very light with carbon bars, light carbon railed saddle and Mavic Pro carbon wheels. Must be under 7kgs close to 6.5. Took it up the street for a test ride boy the calliper brakes on carbon rims are awful now I’m used to discs. I’m going to put a fresh set of brake pads on before I dare to take it out for a proper ride.
Anyway moral of the story is the plush ride of 28mm tyres, disc brakes and di2 does add a bit of heft to the bike. However although we all love to lift up a light bike saving 1 to 1.5kg is barely noticeable in every day riding. I”ll reach for the disc/di2 every day unless it’s a hill climb race.
Anyway moral of the story is the plush ride of 28mm tyres, disc brakes and di2 does add a bit of heft to the bike. However although we all love to lift up a light bike saving 1 to 1.5kg is barely noticeable in every day riding. I”ll reach for the disc/di2 every day unless it’s a hill climb race.
Amen to that! I sold my Colnago C60 with Dura Ace Di2 and Reynolds Aero46 wheels because is felt really bad to ride after a few months on my S-Works Tarmac with disc, 28's and Ultegra Di2 group.
Isn't Rose just another Planet-x, Merlin or Ribble? Or even like Aldi?Just they seem more exotic as they're German? Canyon kind of do this too but having a pro road team makes them seem more of a premium brand.
Not knocking them at all, everyone wants a good product at a good price.
Just aren't other roadies going to sneer at you on one? Like wearing baggies on the road. Or riding in full team kit. Or wearing a cycling cap off the bike.
On balance I often ride on the road wearing baggies and with mountain bike pedals and shoes.
Should be illegal
Rose bikes are more expensive in carbon than Ribble or Boardman, but the Ali offering is cheaper than the other carbons. Hmm.
Just aren’t other roadies going to sneer at you on one?
No, they are such miserable buggers they never talk anyway. Who cares what they think? I'm still an MTBer even if I'm on a road bike.
I get ignored by roadies whether I'm in full Lycra or not, I love the look of disgust I get after I've cheerfully said "hello!" 😄
A couple of anecdotes about roadies I have encountered.
I did the Lord of the lochs sportive a few years ago and there was a guy (who had been a right ignorant cock earlier in the ride) at the side of the road with the crank arm in his hand. It needed a massive Allen key that no one had. Never did see him again. Oh how we laughed.
Another sportive (my first ever), it was the Tweedlove one. At the cafe halfway point a guy with a South East accent came in with grazes all down him and his Assos kit in shreds. I went to see if I could help sort his bike out but the dura-ace shifter had been ripped clean off. I asked what had happened and he simply said "it was gravel" maybe they don't get that down south, it was at the bottom of a hill though before a bend he described.
Same sportive I was riding alongside an chap who was very friendly but suddenly become all concerned (actually shouting as me to watch out) when I didn't slow for the cattle grids and merely bunny hopped them.
Last year on the 'ride to the sun' sportive I got told off for weaving between the white lines on the road and bunny hopping the speed bumps, it was like 2am and the roads were empty and I was enjoying myself.
Roadies they just seem a bit different to us guys that like to get our tyres dirty.
Isn’t Rose just another Planet-x, Merlin or Ribble? Or even like Aldi?Just they seem more exotic as they’re German?
Yes.
No.
Nobody thinks they are exotic.
Roadies don't sneer at each other for having cheap bikes up here (Lancs), it's quite likely that some unassuming looking old guy on a blue winter Ribble will tear your legs off on a climb.
I’ve got a really great anecdote about mountain bikers.. There was I on my road bike in full Lycra when about 8-10mtbs came the other way. I waved, first guy ignored me, I waved again, next one ignored me. Despite my increasingly exuberant attempts to say hello, not one of them acknowledged my presence. Makes you think, eh?
+1 for imnotverygood and chakaping.....
People will be friendly or not regardless of what type of bike they're on.
And as per chakaping, pretty friendly in Lancs regardless.
@molgrips
I’m still an MTBer even if I’m on a road bike
What about a scooter? A trampoline? When you're swimming? In your PJs?
It's 2020, most folk on here ride road bikes, time to put the silly stereotypes to bed yet?
What about a scooter? A trampoline? When you’re swimming? In your PJs?
He has Saracen MTB PJs....
Roadies respect legs.
Don't matter what your riding ....if you can keep up with them when they give you the inaugural attempted dropping.
Last year on the ‘ride to the sun’ sportive I got told off for weaving between the white lines on the road and bunny hopping the speed bumps, it was like 2am and the roads were empty and I was enjoying myself.
Swoooon, are you surfmat?
Trail-rat. I don't sit on people's wheel as I think it's rude if they're not in my group.
I have had a couple of folks on road bikes race up behind me and then sit on my wheel without even a hello.
I'm no roadie despite being in full Lycra and being on a road bike. The hardcore roadies can smell it I'm sure. 😄
You lot are even worse than them grumpy roadies. 😀
Where can I get saracen PJ's? They sound right up my street. Do they have room for kneepads? 😲
One thing I'd like to say is that everyone is a lot more likely to say hello when out and about these days. It's really nice.
Anagellis, what a petty thing to say. I'm just trying to express that cycling should be a joyous thing not full of the fun police. I have enough of that at work.
Trail-rat. I don’t sit on people’s wheel as I think it’s rude if they’re not in my group.
What's that in reply to ? It seems irrelevent to añything I've said.
You were talking about riding someone off your wheel. In hindsight you probably were talking about a club ride and not just a regular ride.
Apologies if I took you wrong.
Isn’t Rose just another Planet-x, Merlin or Ribble?
Possibly, I wasn't sold on the brand or the looks, but the spec and the customisable options.
That being said, they don't break spec like those other brands (if it says Ultegra you're getting the whole groupset, down to the cables) and all the other finishing kit is aftermarket quality e.g. Ritchey carbon posts, Ritchey WCS alloy bars etc. Even the own brand wheels on a £1600 build were 1550g handbuilt efforts, I'd already agreed to sell them for a pittance until I realised they were much better than your usual Mavic Aksium or Fulcrum 900 that you'd normally get at that price range.
But yeah, I do always catch myself eyeing up the 'classic' brands with a bit of heritage behind them...
I like the fact you get nicer wheels, it seemed to be the way on every bike review they would complain about the stock wheels. Mind you I had a pair of SHIMANO RS100 wheels on a cheap road bike before that I actually quite liked. I think they retailed for something like £70. Shows you I have no class 😄
I quite like it when some of big brands do a cheap road bike but in the same colours as their pro bike. Bit like when you could get a Jordan Honda Civic.
Roadies don’t sneer at each other for having cheap bikes up here
They just sneer at anything ‘non-northern’
My old flat mate worked for Rollapaloozer roller racing who were doing a free event in some northern city, 2 chaps with bikes and dressed in local club kit were hanging around watching people race each other.
“all right lads, fancy having a go?”
“No, I’m not getting on that, that’s a southern bike”
(bikes were Condor branded a London bikeshop) and they shuffled off...
Bit like when you could get a Jordan Honda Civic
Remember the Banana Raleigh's?
Raleigh banana's! That's a blast from the past. I liked them.
Looked like the real deal....made of gas pipe.
It’s 2020, most folk on here ride road bikes, time to put the silly stereotypes to bed yet?
Not when it's for the purposes of humour, no 🙂
I like the fact you get nicer wheels, it seemed to be the way on every bike review they would complain about the stock wheels.
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to specify "no wheels"?
Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to specify “no wheels”?
Well the bike would certainly be lighter, but I'm not sure it would go very fast.
Under 6.8kg and £5k though 😉
Anagellis, what a petty thing to say. I’m just trying to express that cycling should be a joyous thing not full of the fun police.
Not as petty as your bull shit about how other people should behave, just ride your bike and enjoy it and let others do their thing
C'mon fellas. Calm down, calm down.
Please don't spoil what's been an interesting thread/existential review of price/weight/validity of road biking...
Ta 👍
Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to specify “no wheels”?
When you break down the price of a complete bike, it is often cheaper to build one from scratch. Even £2k-£3k for a frame, still leaves a lot for groupset and wheels and finishing kit (which is often equally as average as the wheels)
@mtbtomo you say that but the big manufacturers get up to 90% rebate from Shimano subject to volume. This is why complete bike prices are often cheaper than you can buy a frame, groupset, finishing kit and wheels for.
Be interesting to put together that bike Footflaps has zeroed in on at best Internet prices for the individual bits and see how close you can get to the whole bike price. I'd wager the bike is cheaper in Shimano flavour at least.
When you break down the price of a complete bike, it is often cheaper to build one from scratch.
At the higher prices yes, at the lower prices no. But if spending £5K I would definitely build it myself so it has all the parts I want on it and not what someone else has chosen to put on it.
Depends which brand and the level of integrated kit I suppose but pick say the CAAD Force AXS at £4800. £1k frame and about £1.5k for the groupset. So £2300 left for wheels and finishing kit. I wouldn't put a value if £2.3k on the rest of the kit that comes with it even if the Cannondale wheels are good. Maybe that's an odd example because it's an alloy frame but I bet there are others.
As per kerley, I'd rather pick my own spec at that price
My Canyon Aeroad, Ultegra Di2 £1300. Frame £2500, Wheels £1200. Tyres £80, integrated bars £300, saddle and carbon seat post £100. I paid £2900 (ish), in a sale. New price at the time was £3900.
I know it’s possible to buy a frame and build to a similar price for some bikes, but if you look at a bike with a fairly expensive group set it doesn’t seem to be such a bargain.
As an aside, I rode my heavy Trek Domane SL5 Disc today, it’s heavy and feels like more effort out of the corners, it’s got 32mm tyres, but it’s a ridiculously comfortable ride. Floats over bad roads. I’m almost tempted to go down the one bike route. By the time I can race again I’ll be 49, don’t really see the need for a full on race bike like the Aeroad. (I’ll ride the Aeroad tomorrow and fall back in love with it!!)
I like the fact you get nicer wheels, it seemed to be the way on every bike review they would complain about the stock wheels.
It’s better for a 4 or 5k bike to come with crap wheels imo and have very good everything else. Give me Di2, carbon finishing kit, then cheap wheels with the bike, as it’s good to have training wheels or cheaper wheels along with a pair of good wheels also.
I’d imagine a lot of riders buying a new bike in that price range already have a pair or two of carbon wheels anyways.
It’s better for a 4 or 5k bike to come with crap wheels imo and have very good everything else. Give me Di2, carbon finishing kit, then cheap wheels with the bike, as it’s good to have training wheels or cheaper wheels along with a pair of good wheels also.
I’d imagine a lot of riders buying a new bike in that price range already have a pair or two of carbon wheels anyways.
Pinarello are notorious for this. £10,000 bike with a cheap set of Fulcrums on it.
I can see the argument about having other wheels but with the changes in tech (move to disc brakes, bolt thru axles etc), who actually has an up-to-date set of wheels? I've got some decent (nothing special, they're Prime, CRC's own brand) carbon wheels. QR, rim brake.
I'm in the market for a new road bike but it WILL have discs. So my old wheels are worthless...
Normal format for club/enthusiast roadies seems to be buy bike, give it a year or so and then buy new, upgraded wheels and "retire" the old ones into winter duties.
I’m in the market for a new road bike but it WILL have discs. So my old wheels are worthless…
Kind of in the same boat here as I've several nice sets of rim-braked road wheels (one light, one semi aero, one aero) but of course none of use on my latest road bike, which has disks. I've still got several road bikes that are rim-braked though, so the wheels are still getting used.
I can see the argument about having other wheels but with the changes in tech (move to disc brakes, bolt thru axles etc), who actually has an up-to-date set of wheels?
This.
And some brands do it quite well, e.g. Cannondale provide nice carbon wheels on the SuperSix Evo Ultegra that I almost bought.
I can see the argument about having other wheels but with the changes in tech (move to disc brakes, bolt thru axles etc), who actually has an up-to-date set of wheels? I’ve got some decent (nothing special, they’re Prime, CRC’s own brand) carbon wheels. QR, rim brake.
This tech change thing is really overstated. Ignoring some oddities around when discs were first introduced (e.g. discs + QR), most road bikes now fall solidly into one of two camps:
1: rim brake + QR
2: disc brake + 12mm bolt through (100mm front / 142mm rear)
There are a few oddities out there, but you'd struggle to buy a current road bike that didn't fall into one of these two camps now, so the likelihood is that your wheels will fit one or the other. It gets a bit more complicated if you're using 12 speed as the freehubs are different, but otherwise interchangeability is straightforward.