I'm staggered by some of the posts on this one!! Well binners and bob's. Admittedly it's one side of the argument but surely it's conceivable you go on a ride with enough provisions for x miles and plan to stop to top up? All of my all day mountain bike or road bike rides rely on a mid ride stop. If the cyclists had brazenly walked in and demanded free water without buying anything and spouting some water provision law then fair enough but according to the article * they had bought a pint and crisps and were looking for water to be on their way. Totally reasonable IMO.
*road.cc does seem to report things in the daily mail shitstirring fashion to be fair.
fairly sure crisps aren't sustenance
So passing some one an empty bottle, they pass it you back and say NO,
You ring the Police is that on your scale,
It boils down to my question earlier, who's fault was it he had no water, the land lord or the rider,
By virtue of all your self righteous "look after ME I'm number one" posts, if the rider would have gotten into difficulty, dehydrated, over heated, short of breath, shallow breathing bringing on a panic attack or heart attack the fault would lay with a 3rd party and not the person who left the house under equipped for a long ride.
Forget the support car and SKY team bus, or even the team hotel we are talking amateurs here not supported riders, you leave the house in the morning and you put your faith in a strangers faith,
Leggy blonde, I get all that, WHO FILLS YOUR WATER BOTTLES?
By virtue of all your self righteous "look after ME I'm number one" posts, if the rider would have gotten into difficulty, dehydrated, over heated, short of breath, shallow breathing bringing on a panic attack or heart attack the fault would lay with a 3rd party and not the person who left the house under equipped for a long ride.
You carry a defibrillator too?
I always wondered what went in some of those camelbacks.
And answer the question, what if the camelback runs out of water?
WHO FILLS YOUR WATER BOTTLES?
The sweet baby Jeebus fills mine, with his angelic tears.
Bob,did you read the article? Someone actually filled the bottles (obviously not considering it an unreasonable request) but the manager emptied them and said no, then went on to verbally abuse them. Which is the reason for involving the cops.I'm still staggered you think asking for water is out of line.
I'd fill it up myself, without involving the Police
[quote=squoglybob ]I was thinking about this the other day
I thought I heard a funny noise.
I'd fill it up myself
where, and what about the defibrillator?
Do not feed the troll. The squogly is an obvious ****. Ignore him all please.
YoKaiser, YES I read the initial post, my first thought was if they bought drinks WHY didn't they put them in the bottle, my second thought was WHY couldn't they fill them up themselves?
It's not unrealistic to think that on a Sunday lunch it's more important to get hot food out than pander to the whims of some bike riders who have bought some nuts and a Britvic 55, and yes all customers should be treated the same but the bloke at the pub prob thought fill them yourself, and yes it's the law that a land lord should supply water but either they were thirsty or they went there hell bent on creating a scene.
[quote=squoglybob ]YoKaiser, YES I read the initial post
How about the linked article? It might help you to read it again, as it provides answers to all your questions.
I'm still trying to work out whether you are trolling, or just plain daft.
So Thisisnotaspoon, forget your camelbak and your defibrillator,
You leave the house to nip off 60 miles,
You have 750ml of water in 1 bottle, 35 miles in your struggling and have downed the water, what would you do?
Take the 2nd one, you were moaning earlier about unpreparedness?You have 750ml of water in 1 bottle, 35 miles in your struggling and have downed the water, what would you do?
It's when you get to 100+ it becomes a challenge. I can usually get to 80 even in summer without a top-up if I stop at a cafe half way for a coke.
These guys on the other hand were on a multi day tour..........
So again, how do you carry enough water for several day? I've never found anyone unwilling to serve a pint of tap water.
So Thisisnotaspoon, forget your camelbak and your defibrillator,
That could be dangerous, you sound stressed
They didn't ask for a pint of tap water did they, they asked for their bottles to be filled,
I've never been refused a pint of water either but I'm wholly capable of decanting one into the other, BUT just to drive the point home the idle get had some one else sneak round the kitchen to get some one else to fill them up after already being told NO we aren't here to fill up your water bottles, despite being from a prestigious cycling club,
Oh right well let's just ring the Police then.
This is for squogly, it's a lifetime achievement award, well done
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I suspect I might know the answer to this already, but have any of the 'it's my legal right....' Brigade ever worked behind the bar of a busy pub?
So it's the weekend... You're busiest time of the week... maybe the Rugby is on... the kitchens open serving meals.... So your staff are all pretty bloody busy, and it's all a bit stressful.
Then some Lycra clad cockwomble clip clops up to bar, orders a packet of crisps, then hands you four water bottles " if you could just take care of those for me my good man..... I'd do it myself, but.... Why should I when its your legal duty to avail me of this service...."
Where would you prioritise his request on the list of things you presently need to do?
Thisisnotaspoon, so your refused beverage and you become a casualty, same question who's fault is it? Yours for not carrying enough or the landlords for saying NO twice?
Clearly if you're on a 7 day tour and not pulling a bowser of water behind you it's all your own fault.
A racer, how many times have you pulled a bowser behind you,
Never, and I've never taken a defibrillator either - clearly I'm one of those people who needs somebody else to do up my buttons
Bizarre series of posts 😯
My read of it was that the police were called because of the verbally abusive (threatening) behaviour towards a female rider...
Regarding "asking" for bottles to be filled, I'd assume that would be plain good manners. I'd be pretty p!ssed off if someone just walked in and started filling up water bottles without the decency to ask first!
And as for rider preparedness, I've never done a mtb or road enduro / sportive without bottle filling points. It's just not feasible to carry your own (and camelbaks are pretty uncomfortable to wear on a stretched road bike type riding position)
Who's Squoglybob then? Clearly someone's pet troll account.
I'm putting money on GW, but that's just an inspired guess.
I still can't cant get my head around anyone expecting someone else to fill your water bottle up for you.
Unless you're some world class pro rider.
Oh....
Squoglybob is either a troll or we're witnessing someone in the midst of some kind of breakdown.
I'll turn the question around, legality aside, would anyone here refuse to give someone water if they asked?
Binners is trying a bit hard too. It's not GW.
squoglynobblybob, what's funny is that I asked you in a polite manor what you would suggest.. your response speaks volumes 😆
I'm wondering what happens if I want to do a 2 week tour. Would it be reasonable to ask the landlord to fill my bowser up?
The water table is never that far down in the UK. You should be towing a drilling rig
I don't get why because some one doesn't share your utopian views that they have to be a Troll? Can't people have their own opinions, I've never ever had my bottle filled on a sportive, I've never ever had my camelbak re filled for me,
Is this the point where I should comply, tow the party line and buy myself a water bottle to do what everyone else does, will that make you think I'm not a Troll. Hell I might start voting Labour so as not to upset the die Hards.
I'm drawing the line at Lycra though as that is just plain wrong,
So you don't think that asking the staff of a busy pub to fill your water bottles for you, because you can't be arsed walking to the big and turning a tap on, displays a monsterous sense of entitlement? Seriously?
Maybe they could give your bike a quick clean, then deliver your freshly filled bottles back to you on a velvet cushion so you could be on your way?
Cokie, what did you want me to put, yes go out into the big wide world, it's full off people just like you who will obey your every wish and do what every your heart desires, if you don't know what to do in France when you run out of fluid then stay at home, or was I supposed to reply in a manner that made you superior because if that's what you want I can re post something?
Alternatively, ask a stupid question get a stupid answer, it really is basic, fill them up yourself a
[quote=squoglybob ]I don't get why because some one doesn't share your utopian views that they have to be a Troll?
I agree. I gave another alternative to troll.
Ha ha. The bell ends on this thread are hilarious.
binners - apparently the staff working in this busy pub had sufficient spare time to spend emptying already filled bottles, so maybe they weren't as busy as you think.
Aracer, And everything in your life is rose tinted and has everything you want, how idyllic
So long as my butler remembers to bring me the right glasses it is. He gets a right ticking off if he forgets, let me tell you.
Seeing as all I've got to do is sit and have a pint while eating crisps, I don't think I can be bothered filling my own water bottle. I'll get someone busy, on minimum wage, to do it for me, then I can admire my thousands of pounds worth of carbon fibre, and contemplate how awesome I am
Stay classy!
Squagglyknob is clearly a camel.
No not a camel, I just don't lord it over other people expecting them to fetch and carry my own kit, I mean cycling is one of those sports which doesn't require much of an uptake in fluid right, you know like golf and tiddlywinks, it's not like you sweat or have to replace vital fluid.
So why not just walk out the door with an empty bottle and just pass it to some one beneath you to top up.
That's the trouble, on the 19th Hole they probably do blow smoke up your Arse, giving it the "I,m considerably richer than yaw" over the bar. Pork scratchings and a pint of mild in my personalised tankard please tender, oh wait is Le Tour on, best get down to the pub in my Lycra and have one of those working class folk fill my bottle while I talk really loud about KOM,s, Grand Designs and bike carriers for Audi cabriolets.
Oh how the other half live
****ing hell. You're actually insane.
Yes I know, don't worry though I'll be purchasing a bottle and pissing people off soon though just like the rest of you,
It's funny how everyone thinks it's acceptable,
Wow someone really has a chip on their shoulder, haven't read such senseless rants since the days of the mad bearing man
Mods. Can we end this thread, there's no fun watching someone with a mental illness implode 🙁
That's a good idea, in fact re brand the whole site while your at it, don't just stop at closing threads, call for a change of name from Singletrack to singleminded, that'll trump a thread closer, imagine how good you would look in front of the wannabes,
It's not like there's anything on here relating to Singletrack topics, just landed gentry and their carbon road bikes and narrow minded views on the lower classes tending to their needs. It's come to something when a rider can't conduct the most basic of tasks himself.
Oi Binners!
I (vaguely) remember all the taps being turned off in the Hacienda bogs to encourage the pilled up punters to buy an overpriced drink from the surly barstaff.
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Time to let it go man....
I vaguely remember all the taps being turned off in the Hacienda bogs
You'd be reet upset if you'd been for a poo and your finger had gone through the paper...
I couldn't possibly comment. I was off my tits the whole time, and only drank triple brandy and cokes I wasn't paying for 😉
Had someone approached the bar to get their water bottle filled and called the police when refused, they'd never have found the body
You are Bez and I claim my £5.
I went to Bowlers. They didn't turn off the taps or owt 😀
there's no fun watching someone with a mental illness implode
I respectfully disagree
And I resent the 'surly' accusation. You try being surly after that much MDMA 😀
😀
4 litres in a 100miles, blimey are you not weeing constantly? 😯
So what your saying then is that it is perfectly acceptable to hop on a bike with insufficient rations to complete a lengthy ride?
That as far as I'm concerned is a wholly selfish act.
And that it is perfectly acceptable that others should cater for your own self importance?
What the actual ****?
Have you never seen a shop before?
[quote=squoglybob ]It's come to something when a rider can't conduct the most basic of tasks himself.
I'll have you know that the butler has his limits. I did ask though.
This thread is brilliant. So brilliant I have opened another beer and got some snacks out to keep me going. On a school night too. carry on, carry on.
True about turning the taps off though.
Money spent on booze is money more usefully employed elsewhere.
Downstairs, usually.
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My mate Deeks once drank a pint of his own piss in the queue for the bog/tap combo.
He won a tenner from the bloke behind us in the queue though, so it wasn't all bad
It's always an option for any long distance Audaxers reading.
Can someone fill my water bottle?
Do you know who I am?
[quote=binners ]Can someone fill my water bottle?
It sounds like Rusty's mate Deeks could
The cafe at whinlater refused to fill my bottle. And I'd bought food.
I was all ready to be outraged when the girl explained that as it was filthy (and usually are ) the manager had stopped it because, let's face, it the staff do need clean hands.
The solution was for her to give me three glasses of water to do it myself!
Which was fine.
Cool story or what!
Where would you prioritise his request on the list of things you presently need to do?
I'd quite happily take the thirty entire seconds it would take me to fill four water bottles and then serve the next person.
squoglybob - MemberIt's funny how everyone thinks it's acceptable,
Why the **** wouldn't it be?
I have a practically endless supply of practically free water. Why would I not help another human being out?
The world would be a much nicer place if arseholes stopped being arseholes just because they can be.
FFS you lot.
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On a LEJOG way back in 2002, we regularly just knocked on the doors of peoples houses and asked for water.
Interested to know if relying on the kindness of strangers is more or less of a hanging offence than purchasing goods and asking nicely for some water in a pub/cafe....?
Never been refused water for bottles in any café/bar/pub when I've been in for food. Not that I stop much nowadays - rides are usually short and quick now. The other good sources of water I used to rely on are the gardeners taps out the back of churches, or edge of town cemeteries in France - always a tap by the gate.
Blimey, this one looks like it will run and run. Lots of good stuff here!
binners - Member
But then again, you're not really that interested in rational discussions are you? Not when there's insults, assumptions and invective to be thrown around eh?
Are you new here?
Sadly not. But perhaps guilty of poking the big bear with a stick. My input into this is if you've entered a pub, bought a drink and snack and want to fill your water bottle, why not? Actually asking the staff to fill your bottle for you? Maybe not, but certainly asking for a pint of water and then filling the bottle yourself is fine.
In perspective, I have on numerous occasions (sometimes when cycling, sometimes when walking) gone into a pub and ordered a pint of beer and asked for a pint of water as well. It's never happened, but if some t**t of a landlord went off on one re the water, he'd be getting it back and then some.
And yes, fwiw I've worked behind the bar in numerous busy restaurants/bars, clubs and pubs over the years
Actually asking the staff to fill your bottle for you? Maybe not, but certainly asking for a pint of water and then filling the bottle yourself is fine.
I can imagine some landlords preferring to fill your bottle. You've just dirtied a pint glass for no reason.
What a sad world we live in when occasionally relying or depending on your fellow man is seen as such a horrific crime.
It's to be expected in an advanced country full of horrible pricks who couldn't give a shit about anyone else or can't see the beauty or opportunity that may arise from helping each other.
I have travelled in so many countries that have been through various degrees of utter shit and oppression where people would be utterly embarrassed if they felt people couldn't ask for water, water would be the very least you would receive.
In Guatemala I asked a random fellow where the local drinking tap was in a small village and he took me and my mate back to his house and insisted we had drink and food with him.
It's a different scenario that started this topic but **** me, this country can be so outrageously pathetic.
The horses are a lot smaller in Central America as well.
I can imagine some landlords preferring to fill your bottle. You've just dirtied a pint glass for no reason
Indeed, I think I must have just taken it for granted that filling a bottle is very similar in effort to filling a pint glass, turns out it's quite a different beast.
I've been thinking about this, and I now have an enormous amount of respect for these people who, despite possessing disabilities so severe that it prevents them from operating a tap, They somehow manage to still get out cycling.
Its very humbling.
I've been thinking about this
Really?
What a sad world we live in when occasionally relying or depending on your fellow man is seen as such a horrific crime.
Exactly. Why wouldn't you help a fellow human, particularly if it required little or no noticeable effort?
In answer to the question I've asked twice, but no-one has answered: Have any of the 'its my legal right, blah, blah, blah....' lot ever worked behind the bar of a busy pub? One that's full of people drinking, and ordering meals, at the busiest period of the week?
Maybe you should try it, then see how you'd feel about some lycra clad cockwomble (possibly disabled) handing you 4 water bottles to fill, while they sat drinking pints and eating crisps
Just a thought.
Have any of the 'its my legal right, blah, blah, blah....' lot ever worked behind the bar of a busy pub? One that's full of people drinking, and ordering meals, at the busiest period of the week?
We're talking about a pub that had time to empty out bottles and have an argument with its customers?
That's completely different. Arguments, and venting your righteous fury, are an enjoyable, rewarding and pleasing use of your time.
Running around after (possibly disabled) haughty, self-entitled roadies isn't
Have any of the 'its my legal right, blah, blah, blah....' lot ever worked behind the bar of a busy pub? One that's full of people drinking, and ordering meals, at the busiest period of the week?Maybe you should try it, then see how you'd feel about some lycra clad cockwomble (possibly disabled) handing you 4 water bottles to fill, while they sat drinking pints and eating crisps
Just a thought.
Mmmmm sounds similar to the drivers who are so scared shitless they might be held up by 30 extra seconds because of a cyclist that they just pretend you aren't there and nearly smash you into a ditch, do you sympathise with these people who don't have the time as well?
Filling a few bottles takes no time at all, filling them and then emptying them because you are a prick takes double the time.
We don't know how busy it was, but we do know they had time to empty the bottles.
That's completely different. Arguments, and venting your righteous fury, are an enjoyable, rewarding and pleasing use of your time.Running around after (possibly disabled) haughty, self-entitled roadies isn't
So having argued that the pub didn't have time to fill up water bottles, you're now saying that's because their time was taken up with important more important matters, such as having an argument.
When you've worked out your story, come back to us.
Its not too difficult to get your head around. You don't generally plan arguments. They just happen. That's the soaring, majestic joy of them. One minute its a normal, boring stressful day, and then BOOM ... the next minute you're watching the faux outraged look on some whiney middle class cockbag's grid as you cackle at him like a demented thing, while over-dramatically pouring HIS water all over the floor, then nonchalantly calling him a ginger **** for good measure, to secure your moral victory
Surely everyone would make time in their busy schedule for such joyous life-affirming encounters?
If you wouldn't then you have no soul