[Closed] 4 pints of lager,4 pkts of crisps, and fill my water bottle up said the cyclists

I've ridden past that pub a few times, the landlords sounds like a dick, not the incident warranted calling the police though.

How odd! Complete contrast to the friendly folk at the Ladybower Inn who let me fill my drink bladder, even though I'd bought nowt and cheekily just dropped in and asked. Was a hot day mind you.

North / South divide? Northern / Southern hospitality divide?

Steps back to admire the beautiful can of worms freshly opened.

Could be a North/South divide type of thing here, I got a bucket of water from a butchers in Brafferton North Yorks the other day, just to find a titchy hole in an inner tube while on a road/offroad ride.

I believe it's still a legal requirement in Scotland that a publican must supply free drinking water if requested.

North / South divide?

Yep, as above, it's not a regional thing. Just a dick v non-dick thing.

Licensing (Scotland) act 2005 SCHEDULE 3 Premises licences: mandatory conditions
"Tap water fit for drinking must be provided free of charge on request."

TBF it is Suffolk, it's a very [i]special[/i] part of the UK...

. Complete contrast to the friendly folk at the Ladybower Inn

The ladybower inn is a little gem and things like that are why people always reccomend it to other people. Massive portion of fish and chips is great after a ride too 🙂

scotroutes - Member

I believe it's still a legal requirement in Scotland that a publican must supply free drinking water if requested.

I don't give a shit what's legal or not, come into my pub looking to refill your water bottles and I (or any other member of staff) will happily do so.
You won't even need to buy a pint, why would you?

You may have to put up with me berating your choice of bicycle, but you'll get watered!

I don't give a shit what's legal or not, come into my pub looking to refill your water bottles and I (or any other member of staff) will happily do so.
You won't even need to buy a pint, why would you?

You may have to put up with me berating your choice of bicycle, but you'll get watered!

& where is this heavenly institute? Cos I may pop in!

If the police are correct, that staff can demand that someone leaves if they request tap water, then the requirement to provide tap water isn't really a thing.

However, it does look as if the whole obnoxious blow-up could have been avoided if the Paragon lot had just said "fine, 4 pints of lemonade, plenty of ice then" and got on with their day.Some places make cyclists very welcome, some don't. You're not going to change that by kicking off in the latter, and this really didn't need to involve the police.

I agree that calling the police does seem disproportionate but on a fundamental level, if someone breaks the law, isn't that what they're for?

If people can pick and choose which laws they want to ingnore, and this behaviour is endorsed by the police, then what is the purpose of these laws?

Without laws, what do we have? How long before we descend into anarchy?

Perhaps the other option would be to report the landlords actions to the licencing authority. Perhaps they would revoke his licence if he's demonstrating that he's ignoring the laws around his licence.

It might even be in the landlords best interests long term if the police had asked him to fill the bottles.

The pub has a page on Facebook.

Just sayin' like.....

Pub manager = being dick
Club cyclists = being dicks
End of really

Mind you is Suffolk so

John Deere = sports car
Marriage = cousin
Music = banjos 😀

Never had any problems getting water in a pub since I headed south.

But I have seen a bunch of over-entitled middle aged roadies going off on one at a teenage waitress who'd washed the gel out of their bottles when they had, en masse, asked her to fill them up in a busy cafe.

North/south thing? Nah, it's a roadie thing.

Dulwich Paragon, couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of dicks 😆

Fatsimon. Please, that sort of behaviour is from Norfolk. Suffolk is more cosmopolitan and prefers Massey Ferguson for tractors.

Let's be blunt, any landlord can be a dick anywhere in the country. This one was a dick. He probably got annoyed because, after telling people that he would not do something, he saw them doing the same thing.

I could understand if they hadn't bought a round first (legal requirement on the tap water provision or not) but they'd paid likely well over a tenner on drinks/snacks so the landlord just sounds like an asshole

Its not a north south divide thing, why must these events always be meta-ised. Its just a ****er running a pub.
Hopefully the licensing comittee will take a dim view of this.

@fatsimon - you also forgot the location of an ailing and burnt out nuclear power station to add to Suffolks 'special' factors...

[quote=willard said]Fatsimon. Please, that sort of behaviour is from Norfolk. Suffolk is more cosmopolitan and prefers Massey Ferguson for [s]tractors[/s] wives.

The ladybower inn is a little gem and things like that are why people always reccomend it to other people. Massive portion of fish and chips is great after a ride too

Got a free coffee there when some staff member noticed I was sat outside shivering in November waiting for a lift home after suffering more punctures than I had tubes/patches, I'd even gotten a spare from a passing roadie!

On the North/South thing, I've filled up at random peoples houses on the SDW.

Dragging the poor kitchen staff into it after presumably having a row with the manager in the bar area isn't nice.

And once you've pointed out politely that they are in breach of their legal obligations, and been told to get off the premises, I can't see why you'd need to ring the police (unless of course you're intent on continuing a stand-up row and not leaving when asked).

Just shrug, get water elsewhere and report to local licensing body.

Without laws, what do we have?

France

To many laws
Germany

Pub landlord innit

Licensing laws or not, what an epic twit.

If you're in the hospitality industry it's probably best to keep your prejudices to yourself or you might find it's not good for business (particularly in the days when you can be publically flamed via your convenient facebook page).

Oh and just to buck the North/South lazy generalisation one of only a couple of times I've been on the receiving end of this type of nonsense was in the Woodbine Cafe in Hope.

Jeez what has this country come to? it's water for crying out loud.

Moreover why not just ask for a jug of water and fill the bottles up at your table.

& where is this heavenly institute? Cos I may pop in!

It's in Cambs, on the Ouse.

If it's raining and you haven't brought a lock, I'll even lock your bikes up in the compound out back whilst you dry off inside, as long as you ask nicely.

Or buy me a half.

Actions speak louder than words and all that. 😀

Free tap water for all at my local.It even has has dishes so your dog can have some. If Mrs Taxi is working you don't even have to ask, if she thinks your dogs thirsty she'll just put some water in front of it.
But then some people will always treat cyclists worse than dogs 🙁

as long as you ask nicely.

Or buy me a half.

Verbal abuse and a pint?

Anyway, back on topic.

I've knocked on the door of a farm to ask for a refill before. The woman who answered told me that the water was warm because their pipes are close to the surface but 3km up the mountain there was a spring that would be ice cold. Nice lady and as she happened to mention she made cheese, I went back the following day on the way home and bought some. I've also had fill-ups in pubs, restaurants, cafes, service stations (I had no cash to buy a bottle of water) and one nice woman in a bakery gave me a can of coke when I ran out of money buying food from her.

People are mostly nice. Mostly is the key word.

But I have seen a bunch of over-entitled middle aged roadies going off on one at a teenage waitress who'd washed the gel out of their bottles

I almost did this once, but fortunately I asked first. 😳

There may have then been some friendly verbal for not choosing to fill up their bottles with beer though.

Everyone loves a mildy abusive, slightly overly candid barman, right? 😀

Dear god! Why can't they fill their own water bottles up from the taps in the bogs? Have they lost the use of their arms or something?

And calling the police? Seriously? Sweet Jesus!! I'd say the Roadie bedwetters need to get a sense of bloody perspective! They thoroughly deserved being told to **** off! 😆

Bad Admin, ill discipline, poor etiquette.

I cannot condone the landlords behaviour as I don't like roadies either.

I couldn't imagine going out for a 4-5 hour Peaks ride without sufficient fluid, how can you distance yourself knowing you will run out of fluid, I suppose that's the difference between those that wear Team SKY Kit with its support vehicles and those that wear it expecting others to bow down to their self importance. Yes it's Law that the landlord should supply tap water upon request but at the end of the day his staff aren't there to pander to folk who are incapable of looking after themselves.

WTF is wrong with people, I've not got the capacity to look after myself so I'll burden others with my inept inadequate attitude. If you run out of fluid it's fair to assume that you aren't carrying out enough. Surely a connection can be made.

[i]Gatorade Team Sky Green Bottle[/i] = most interesting bit of the story.

If you run out of fluid it's fair to assume that you aren't carrying out enough. Surely a connection can be made.

Yes. Get someone to refill your bottle.

What a twonk 😀

I'd got myself ratarsed in the centre of Manchester and then decided to do a 30 mile road ride home. The only place that was open was a chippy in Urmston.

The lass behind the counter thought it was hilarious that i'd competently hopped off my bike then could barely stand up while she topped off my water bottle then pedaled off again. 19.6mph on the way home, in the dark

binners - Member

Dear god! Why can't they fill their own water bottles up from the taps in the bogs? Have they lost the use of their arms or something?

I can guarantee that the sink behind my bar is nice and clean, wheras the sink in the gents could have been contaminated between checks, probably by filthy middle aged lycra clad roadies who have popped in to finger themselves with their reapplications of bum cream.

how can you distance yourself knowing you will run out of fluid

Err because many establishments providing refreshments are available on the way, the majority of which won't throw a hissyfit at paying customers asking for some water?

So what your saying then is that it is perfectly acceptable to hop on a bike with insufficient rations to complete a lengthy ride?
That as far as I'm concerned is a wholly selfish act.
And that it is perfectly acceptable that others should cater for your own self importance?

What if, shudder to think you should miss calculate humanity and have a door slammed in your face, is that then their fault that you go down with dechydration because some one else failed to look after you.

I'm sorry but I cannot get my head round this at all.

I'm sorry but I cannot get my head round this at all.

You sound dehydrated

I think I am, I might also rush out and purchase some ill fitting attire to get my point across, ive been sat here since 8 this morning and NO ONE has brought me a brew.

I hope some one filled up my Audi to day so I can get home as it was on red this morning,

And I hope the Butler washed my bike,

You sound dehydrated

Have a pint.

Squbob, your trolling shirly ? They were paying customers who asked for some water to go on their way with. The giving of water is a corner stone of any humane society, what's not to get ?????????

So what your saying then is that it is perfectly acceptable to hop on a bike with insufficient rations to complete a lengthy ride?

To make it clear to you. On a recent ride not too much shy of 100 miles on a reasonably cool/mild day I drank somewhere in the region of 4l of fluids. I carried two 750ml bottles. I refilled them twice at cafes en route. It's not really feasible for a road cyclist to carry enough water for a proper long ride unless they don't drink much. That said, what is feasible is getting refills from people as the majority of people are not, funnily enough, massive knobbers with a chip on their shoulders. Unlike you.

I'm sorry but I cannot get my head round this at all.

It's dead simple, you plan to refill, whether that be at a stream, cafe, pub, friends house, petrol station, corner shop, ask a random stranger.

How on earth do you think people manage fluids when touring or on multi-day rides?

How on earth do you think people manage fluids when touring or on multi-day rides?

Do Bob yak do bowser trailers?

NO not trolling, who leaves the house on let's assume what is a pretty expensive bike in what I can only imagine as toight shiny clobber in probably a fairly expensive pair of glasses a helmet and some proper shoes to cycle in and then not bother their Arse carrying enough fluid.

YES I agree that the landlord should fulfill his obligation but he didn't, but whose fault was it that the rider had no fluid the rider or the landlord?

It's the riders responsibility to administer himself surely, just the same as if he gets a puncture what then? Phone the Fire Brigade because there is no one there to take his tyre off, he's already wasted valuable resources because he thinks the World owes him a living.

He sounds like the sort of bloke you wouldn't want to be stuck on a desert island wth to me. I bet his wife has a right dogs life running round after him.

Atlas, you don't carry enough fluid and that makes me a knobber, go figure......

And a hundred miles, a proper long ride, wow you really are a riding God. I wish I was speshul two.

NO not trolling

Yes you are.

And a hundred miles, a proper long ride, wow you really are a riding God. I wish I was speshul two.

It's a long ride for me. Anyway I said you were a massive knobber. Nothing you've said disproves that.

I'm with atlaz on this.

ironnigel - Member
How odd! Complete contrast to the friendly folk at the Ladybower Inn who let me fill my drink bladder, even though I'd bought nowt and cheekily just dropped in and asked. Was a hot day mind you.

North / South divide? Northern / Southern hospitality divide?

Steps back to admire the beautiful can of worms freshly opened.

I'll take a handful of them worms, with this from the same story..

Last month we reported how a woman in Yorkshire who filled up a water bottle after being asked to do so by a passing cyclist tipped out the contents when he was unable to pay the £3 she asked him to pay for it

And finally..

squoglybob - Member
NO not trolling

Really? Really???

Come on now. You're either very bored and trolling or incredibly stupid. Either way it don't reflect well on you. 100 miles on a hot day = lots of water. Way more than the average cyclist would carry and there ain't nothing wrong in asking someone for a refill.

But then again, you're not really that interested in rational discussions are you? Not when there's insults, assumptions and invective to be thrown around eh?

pretty expensive bike: Carerra TdF Ltd, £250 from Halfords.
toight shiny clobber: Normal clothing, no Lycra.
fairly expensive pair of glasses: Specsavers, £40.
a helmet: Flowing in the breeze!
some proper shoes to cycle in: Adidas shell toes.

I don't even carry a puncture repair kit, you must properly loathe me!

I do of course carry a mobile phone, so can always call the support car, or a taxi.

Anyway, there's no point trying to take enough fluids, even in an insulated Camelbak the beer will get too warm.

squoglybob - Member

I'd just like to point out that we are in no way related.

But then again, you're not really that interested in rational discussions are you? Not when there's insults, assumptions and invective to be thrown around eh?

Are you new here?

[quote=squoglybob ]NO not trolling, who leaves the house on let's assume what is a pretty expensive bike in what I can only imagine as toight shiny clobber in probably a fairly expensive pair of glasses a helmet and some proper shoes to cycle in and then not bother their Arse carrying enough fluid.

Somebody who's going on a ride longer than 3 hours on a standard road bike which doesn't have water carrying provision for longer than that, that's who.

I once did a 100 mile TT. Started off with over 2 litres of liquid (bottle on bars for hands free drinking, 2 behind saddle), but stashed a bottle in the bushes at about the 75 mile mark as that wasn't enough for the whole race. Most people have somebody supporting handing up bottles.

By way of contrast, quick shout out for The Garden Room Cafe in Braithwell near Rotherham.

They had a glass of iced water on the counter for me before I'd even got through the door.

They didn't know me or anything, the girl just said it was hot outside so I must be thirsty!

The cafe in Leith Hill tower will regularly refuse to fill bottles if they're busy (and you're buying stuff), but they'll rummage in their fridge to sell you one, which takes longer than using the tap right at the front of the 'shop' 🙄

It's why I'd much sooner use Peaslake village store!

And Squoglybob is a moron.

That just about sums up the mentally surrounding road biking for me, I can't carry my own water therefore others should duly oblige,

I won't carry a repair kit but will gladly phone a Taxi, and njee I wouldn't expect anything else from you but to obey what the forum gods spout out, oh and Gina at the Garden Rooms relies on the passing trade, and I am a regular, God forbid they should EVER charge you for water I mean it's not like they or any other cafe are in business to make money they are there solely at the behest of those unfortunate enough to think that they are the single most important life form and others should make them feel important by running round filling up your water bottles. How important you all must be "Only in your own head"

I'm with Bob on this one.

A serious question to the Roadies: Why won't you use a Camelbak? Eh?

Is know its as verboten as going out on your bike not dressed in the attire of a female Chinese gymnast, but why?

Surely it makes sense, and its just roadies being typically contrary.

I'm also just thinking of some of the roadies I know, and their frankly atrociously arrogant and superior attitudes, and I'm wondering what tone they used to the landlord when 'asking' for their water bottles to be filled?

I'll be honest, if someone 'asked' me to fill their water bottles for them, I'd tell them to fill their own ****ing water bottle. If you were having a bad day, and someone's 'asking' came across more as 'telling' then I can absolutely understand the reaction. Especially if it was a group of people dressed like colourblind sex offenders

That just about sums up the mentally surrounding road biking for me

Did someone on a road bike once ride past you without saying hello?

Last month we reported how a woman in Yorkshire who filled up a water bottle after being asked to do so by a passing cyclist tipped out the contents when he was unable to pay the £3 she asked him to pay for it

A serious question to the Roadies: Why won't you use a Camelbak? Eh?

Because no one as yet has figured out how to carry enough water for more than a day even in the cold, even in a camelback?

Do you think Team Sky have a huge bowser of water on the bus in case the hotel refuses to give them any.

What peculiar views some people hold.

FWIW I ask for water on my MTB more regularly than on my road bike! I'm basically Hitler.

FWIW I ask for water on my MTB more regularly than on my road bike! I'm basically Hitler.

I'm like Genghis Khan on a cross bike. Sounds like the punchline of a good anecdote.

[quote=binners ]A serious question to the Roadies: Why won't you use a Camelbak? Eh?

Because it's less comfortable when you're spending a couple of hours continuously riding, rather than stopping every 5 minutes for a rest as mountain bikers do.

Question for the mountain bikers - why do you lug around a huge bag full of stuff you'll never use?

Hmm.. so what would you suggest I do riding from London to Paris in under 24 hours, squoglybob?

Hmm.. so what would you suggest I do riding from London to Paris in under 24 hours, squoglybob?

First half - couple of bottles. Second half - regular pastis. Sorted.

oh and Gina at the Garden Rooms relies on the passing trade, and I am a regular, God forbid they should EVER charge you for water I mean it's not like they or any other cafe are in business to make money they are there solely at the behest of those unfortunate enough to think that they are the single most important life form and others should make them feel important by running round filling up your water bottles. How important you all must be "Only in your own head"

Erm...I only said she gave me a glass of water?!

I never said I expected it or indeed even needed it. I was simply making a contrasting comparison with the OPs story.

Chill out fella!

Oh and the next time you're in there can you put out a sign or something, then I'll know keep on going, wouldn't want my day ruining by meeting you, even accidentally.

Cokie, try getting off your bike and walking to a tap, if you turn it some clear liquid falls out, don't get confused as some taps require the poor bastard who doesn't have to wipe his own Arse to Push the top, same as turning the stuff that comes out goes in the bottle.

You have the inclination to do London to Paris in under 24 hours but are incapable of self administration, I'd stay at home ,

You may even pass a garage, these sell beverages and they will serve you, unfortunately you will have to lift lift it up to your mouth to take a sip, also cafes sell liquid based beverages. I doubt all cafes will have a glass of ice cold water sat on the counter as that would be counter productive, a bit like going into a bike shop with the intention of buying chain lube and the guy behind the counter giving you a free sample and saying fill your boots it's not like you had any intention of buying any.

How do you guys get dressed in the morning, do you just stand there while your servant buttons up your shirt.

A serious question to the Roadies: Why won't you use a Camelbak? Eh?

Keep up Grandad, all the cool kids have bottles on their Enduro bikes nowadays. An MTBer with a Camelbak? More likely to see one with bar ends..

buying crisps and then asking for water seems a little short sighted...

Why would a Roadie even contemplate carrying a camelbak when Joe public is there to do it for them, I mean it's not as if you you even need to ask, do you just hold your hand out and some one just scuttles off?

I wish some one would ask me to fill their bottle, please lord why do I never get to meet these folk,

I wish some one would ask me to fill their bottle, please lord why do I never get to meet these folk

The fact you you don't come across as very approachable probably has something to do with it

I'm approachable, I just have an issue with folk who leave the house without the gumption to get themselves through a day, these are the type of people who the signs on the Mtwys are intended,

"CHECK YOUR FUEL LEVEL"

I was thinking about this the other day, who drives down the Mtwy blissfully unaware how much fuel is in the tank, then the next bright orange flashing sign tells you how many cars ran out of fuel last month, I wonder if they phoned the Police to complain that no one had filled up their cars.

squoglybob. You've lost it mate, even for on here, the rubbish your talking is off the scale 😯

I was thinking about this the other day,

Squoglybob, are you on crack? The riders in question bought sustenance, same as filling up at a petrol station on a motorway...

They then asked for water for which they are legally entitled to do.

What about if the camel back is empty?