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I'm sorry but I cannot get my head round this at all.
It's dead simple, you plan to refill, whether that be at a stream, cafe, pub, friends house, petrol station, corner shop, ask a random stranger.
How on earth do you think people manage fluids when touring or on multi-day rides?
How on earth do you think people manage fluids when touring or on multi-day rides?
Do Bob yak do bowser trailers?
NO not trolling, who leaves the house on let's assume what is a pretty expensive bike in what I can only imagine as toight shiny clobber in probably a fairly expensive pair of glasses a helmet and some proper shoes to cycle in and then not bother their Arse carrying enough fluid.
YES I agree that the landlord should fulfill his obligation but he didn't, but whose fault was it that the rider had no fluid the rider or the landlord?
It's the riders responsibility to administer himself surely, just the same as if he gets a puncture what then? Phone the Fire Brigade because there is no one there to take his tyre off, he's already wasted valuable resources because he thinks the World owes him a living.
He sounds like the sort of bloke you wouldn't want to be stuck on a desert island wth to me. I bet his wife has a right dogs life running round after him.
Atlas, you don't carry enough fluid and that makes me a knobber, go figure......
And a hundred miles, a proper long ride, wow you really are a riding God. I wish I was speshul two.
NO not trolling
Yes you are.
And a hundred miles, a proper long ride, wow you really are a riding God. I wish I was speshul two.
It's a long ride for me. Anyway I said you were a massive knobber. Nothing you've said disproves that.
I'm with atlaz on this.
ironnigel - Member
How odd! Complete contrast to the friendly folk at the Ladybower Inn who let me fill my drink bladder, even though I'd bought nowt and cheekily just dropped in and asked. Was a hot day mind you.North / South divide? Northern / Southern hospitality divide?
Steps back to admire the beautiful can of worms freshly opened.
I'll take a handful of them worms, with this from the same story..
Last month we reported how a woman in Yorkshire who filled up a water bottle after being asked to do so by a passing cyclist tipped out the contents when he was unable to pay the £3 she asked him to pay for it
And finally..
squoglybob - Member
NO not trolling
Really? Really???
Come on now. You're either very bored and trolling or incredibly stupid. Either way it don't reflect well on you. 100 miles on a hot day = lots of water. Way more than the average cyclist would carry and there ain't nothing wrong in asking someone for a refill.
But then again, you're not really that interested in rational discussions are you? Not when there's insults, assumptions and invective to be thrown around eh?
pretty expensive bike: Carerra TdF Ltd, £250 from Halfords.
toight shiny clobber: Normal clothing, no Lycra.
fairly expensive pair of glasses: Specsavers, £40.
a helmet: Flowing in the breeze!
some proper shoes to cycle in: Adidas shell toes.
I don't even carry a puncture repair kit, you must properly loathe me!
I do of course carry a mobile phone, so can always call the support car, or a taxi.
Anyway, there's no point trying to take enough fluids, even in an insulated Camelbak the beer will get too warm.
squoglybob - Member
I'd just like to point out that we are in no way related.
But then again, you're not really that interested in rational discussions are you? Not when there's insults, assumptions and invective to be thrown around eh?
Are you new here?
[quote=squoglybob ]NO not trolling, who leaves the house on let's assume what is a pretty expensive bike in what I can only imagine as toight shiny clobber in probably a fairly expensive pair of glasses a helmet and some proper shoes to cycle in and then not bother their Arse carrying enough fluid.
Somebody who's going on a ride longer than 3 hours on a standard road bike which doesn't have water carrying provision for longer than that, that's who.
I once did a 100 mile TT. Started off with over 2 litres of liquid (bottle on bars for hands free drinking, 2 behind saddle), but stashed a bottle in the bushes at about the 75 mile mark as that wasn't enough for the whole race. Most people have somebody supporting handing up bottles.
By way of contrast, quick shout out for The Garden Room Cafe in Braithwell near Rotherham.
They had a glass of iced water on the counter for me before I'd even got through the door.
They didn't know me or anything, the girl just said it was hot outside so I must be thirsty!
The cafe in Leith Hill tower will regularly refuse to fill bottles if they're busy (and you're buying stuff), but they'll rummage in their fridge to sell you one, which takes longer than using the tap right at the front of the 'shop' 🙄
It's why I'd much sooner use Peaslake village store!
And Squoglybob is a moron.
That just about sums up the mentally surrounding road biking for me, I can't carry my own water therefore others should duly oblige,
I won't carry a repair kit but will gladly phone a Taxi, and njee I wouldn't expect anything else from you but to obey what the forum gods spout out, oh and Gina at the Garden Rooms relies on the passing trade, and I am a regular, God forbid they should EVER charge you for water I mean it's not like they or any other cafe are in business to make money they are there solely at the behest of those unfortunate enough to think that they are the single most important life form and others should make them feel important by running round filling up your water bottles. How important you all must be "Only in your own head"
I'm with Bob on this one.
A serious question to the Roadies: Why won't you use a Camelbak? Eh?
Is know its as verboten as going out on your bike not dressed in the attire of a female Chinese gymnast, but why?
Surely it makes sense, and its just roadies being typically contrary.
I'm also just thinking of some of the roadies I know, and their frankly atrociously arrogant and superior attitudes, and I'm wondering what tone they used to the landlord when 'asking' for their water bottles to be filled?
I'll be honest, if someone 'asked' me to fill their water bottles for them, I'd tell them to fill their own ****ing water bottle. If you were having a bad day, and someone's 'asking' came across more as 'telling' then I can absolutely understand the reaction. Especially if it was a group of people dressed like colourblind sex offenders
That just about sums up the mentally surrounding road biking for me
Did someone on a road bike once ride past you without saying hello?
Last month we reported how a woman in Yorkshire who filled up a water bottle after being asked to do so by a passing cyclist tipped out the contents when he was unable to pay the £3 she asked him to pay for it
Well yes but that's Yorkshire water.
A serious question to the Roadies: Why won't you use a Camelbak? Eh?
Because no one as yet has figured out how to carry enough water for more than a day even in the cold, even in a camelback?
Do you think Team Sky have a huge bowser of water on the bus in case the hotel refuses to give them any.
What peculiar views some people hold.
FWIW I ask for water on my MTB more regularly than on my road bike! I'm basically Hitler.
FWIW I ask for water on my MTB more regularly than on my road bike! I'm basically Hitler.
I'm like Genghis Khan on a cross bike. Sounds like the punchline of a good anecdote.
[quote=binners ]A serious question to the Roadies: Why won't you use a Camelbak? Eh?
Because it's less comfortable when you're spending a couple of hours continuously riding, rather than stopping every 5 minutes for a rest as mountain bikers do.
Question for the mountain bikers - why do you lug around a huge bag full of stuff you'll never use?
Hmm.. so what would you suggest I do riding from London to Paris in under 24 hours, squoglybob?
Hmm.. so what would you suggest I do riding from London to Paris in under 24 hours, squoglybob?
First half - couple of bottles. Second half - regular pastis. Sorted.
oh and Gina at the Garden Rooms relies on the passing trade, and I am a regular, God forbid they should EVER charge you for water I mean it's not like they or any other cafe are in business to make money they are there solely at the behest of those unfortunate enough to think that they are the single most important life form and others should make them feel important by running round filling up your water bottles. How important you all must be "Only in your own head"
Erm...I only said she gave me a glass of water?!
I never said I expected it or indeed even needed it. I was simply making a contrasting comparison with the OPs story.
Chill out fella!
Oh and the next time you're in there can you put out a sign or something, then I'll know keep on going, wouldn't want my day ruining by meeting you, even accidentally.
Cokie, try getting off your bike and walking to a tap, if you turn it some clear liquid falls out, don't get confused as some taps require the poor bastard who doesn't have to wipe his own Arse to Push the top, same as turning the stuff that comes out goes in the bottle.
You have the inclination to do London to Paris in under 24 hours but are incapable of self administration, I'd stay at home ,
You may even pass a garage, these sell beverages and they will serve you, unfortunately you will have to lift lift it up to your mouth to take a sip, also cafes sell liquid based beverages. I doubt all cafes will have a glass of ice cold water sat on the counter as that would be counter productive, a bit like going into a bike shop with the intention of buying chain lube and the guy behind the counter giving you a free sample and saying fill your boots it's not like you had any intention of buying any.
How do you guys get dressed in the morning, do you just stand there while your servant buttons up your shirt.
A serious question to the Roadies: Why won't you use a Camelbak? Eh?
Keep up Grandad, all the cool kids have bottles on their Enduro bikes nowadays. An MTBer with a Camelbak? More likely to see one with bar ends..
buying crisps and then asking for water seems a little short sighted...
Why would a Roadie even contemplate carrying a camelbak when Joe public is there to do it for them, I mean it's not as if you you even need to ask, do you just hold your hand out and some one just scuttles off?
I wish some one would ask me to fill their bottle, please lord why do I never get to meet these folk,
I wish some one would ask me to fill their bottle, please lord why do I never get to meet these folk
The fact you you don't come across as very approachable probably has something to do with it
I'm approachable, I just have an issue with folk who leave the house without the gumption to get themselves through a day, these are the type of people who the signs on the Mtwys are intended,
"CHECK YOUR FUEL LEVEL"
I was thinking about this the other day, who drives down the Mtwy blissfully unaware how much fuel is in the tank, then the next bright orange flashing sign tells you how many cars ran out of fuel last month, I wonder if they phoned the Police to complain that no one had filled up their cars.
squoglybob. You've lost it mate, even for on here, the rubbish your talking is off the scale 😯
I was thinking about this the other day,
Squoglybob, are you on crack? The riders in question bought sustenance, same as filling up at a petrol station on a motorway...
They then asked for water for which they are legally entitled to do.
What about if the camel back is empty?
I'm staggered by some of the posts on this one!! Well binners and bob's. Admittedly it's one side of the argument but surely it's conceivable you go on a ride with enough provisions for x miles and plan to stop to top up? All of my all day mountain bike or road bike rides rely on a mid ride stop. If the cyclists had brazenly walked in and demanded free water without buying anything and spouting some water provision law then fair enough but according to the article * they had bought a pint and crisps and were looking for water to be on their way. Totally reasonable IMO.
*road.cc does seem to report things in the daily mail shitstirring fashion to be fair.
fairly sure crisps aren't sustenance
So passing some one an empty bottle, they pass it you back and say NO,
You ring the Police is that on your scale,
It boils down to my question earlier, who's fault was it he had no water, the land lord or the rider,
By virtue of all your self righteous "look after ME I'm number one" posts, if the rider would have gotten into difficulty, dehydrated, over heated, short of breath, shallow breathing bringing on a panic attack or heart attack the fault would lay with a 3rd party and not the person who left the house under equipped for a long ride.
Forget the support car and SKY team bus, or even the team hotel we are talking amateurs here not supported riders, you leave the house in the morning and you put your faith in a strangers faith,
Leggy blonde, I get all that, WHO FILLS YOUR WATER BOTTLES?
By virtue of all your self righteous "look after ME I'm number one" posts, if the rider would have gotten into difficulty, dehydrated, over heated, short of breath, shallow breathing bringing on a panic attack or heart attack the fault would lay with a 3rd party and not the person who left the house under equipped for a long ride.
You carry a defibrillator too?
I always wondered what went in some of those camelbacks.
And answer the question, what if the camelback runs out of water?
WHO FILLS YOUR WATER BOTTLES?
The sweet baby Jeebus fills mine, with his angelic tears.
Bob,did you read the article? Someone actually filled the bottles (obviously not considering it an unreasonable request) but the manager emptied them and said no, then went on to verbally abuse them. Which is the reason for involving the cops.I'm still staggered you think asking for water is out of line.
I'd fill it up myself, without involving the Police
[quote=squoglybob ]I was thinking about this the other day
I thought I heard a funny noise.
I'd fill it up myself
where, and what about the defibrillator?