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crikey.
Yes but it gives a good visualisation from wheel size to wheelsize.
No idea grim why not ask him.
Charlie posted up an interesting graph thing that showed the different angles that different sized wheels aproached square edge bumps at.Sounds fascinating, does he do kids parties?
Doesn't it,it would also make a nice picture for the lounge......... 8)
My opinion is based solely on:-
How I ride, where I ride, when I ride.
I'm old enough to know what works for me. 😉
it would also make a nice picture for the lounge
Christmas isn't that far away.
Maybe ask for a copy in a nice hardwood frame as a present. 😉
i've not trawled through the plethora of replies as it's time in my life I won't get back, but, happy to be shot down in flames if this has already been suggested.....
Surely this whole post is a case of 'any PR is good PR' for the bike monger???? Is this an effort to keep a business in the public domain for free instead of paying a fee like the other businesses do as it's quite clearly an attempt to publicise a business.....
for the record, I have a Genesis Race and pro 29er.....
I can't wheelie for a Wethers Original me, but then why would I want to do that.
Bit daft wheelies.
Unless you a called Chorlton of course.
Then, we'll then they'll essential.
geordiemick00 - I think that's a little unfair to CTBM. The mods won't let business folk have a personal AND a business logon so any "thoughts" Charlie might have will always appear under his business logon.
A lot of folk like me will go riding a bit later and not give a thingy about the size of their wheels. Away from the keyboard and in the mud the only thing we wish we had were Nick Craigs legs.
When the time comes and I need a new bike and there are more 29ers on the market, then that'll be the day I buy one (or the third one in my case) until now the 26" job I have is doing just fine.
Unless any 29er makers want to offer a trade in?
Have my eye on a XTC Carbon 29er of the Dale Flash.
Singlespeed_Shep - Member
Interestingly, I think there's still only one of the '29er evangelists' who has answered the question about 650b.
If the bikes looks nice I personally wouldn't rule it out, but 29" works for me, the XL frames look normal. [b]so why go backwards.[/b]
How the hell is not riding something that feels wrong to you going backwards!!!! 🙄
I've said it before and I'll say it again... A 29r is NOT designed for riding proper technical stuff, sure u could probly do it but it would feel wrong compared to a 26r, and before anyone pipes up with videos of free riders riding 29rs, they are getting paid to advertise it!!! ! There is a wide variation of "mountain biking" from xc to dirt jumping all having different geometrys and sizes, and a 29r fits in the cyclecross categories!
Everyone can ride what they want, I'm fine with that, but what's pissing me off is the fact that in years to come I'm going to be struggling to find bits for my 26r! All because people like ****in niche!!
But 29er isn't niche. In the fullness of time, the fact that so many folk were sold 26ers will seem a bit odd.
A 29r is NOT designed for riding proper technical stuff
Nor is a light weight race bike with 26" wheels.
Maybe you could moan about those too. 🙂
But 29er isn't niche. In the fullness of time, the fact that so many folk were sold 26ers will seem a bit odd.
Either that, or people will come to their senses, just like they did with URT 🙂
How the hell is not riding something that feels wrong to you going backwards!!!
WTF are you really retarded or trolling??
I have found something better and I don't really want to go back to what wasn't as good. I wouldn't rule it out but am much happier with big wheels for how they ride, where I ride them and how they look.
And stop banging on about what 29er's where designed for, The whole 26" came across by chance. Not all 29ers are uber light race bikes same as 26ers
Either that, or people will come to their senses, just like they did with URT
what's milk got to do with it?
A 29r is NOT designed for riding proper technical stuff, sure u could probably do it but it would feel wrong compared to a 26r
So, by your logic, all 26ers ride the same, be they xc hardtails or freeride bikes?
Have you ridden many 29ers? Anything from Canfield, Kona Honzo, 2Souls SlimJim?
I know 29er are not better, but there are different ones... 😉
I'm not sure I agree Pussywillow. I've ridden my 29er fs 'trail' bike on DH trails and through a reasonable set of dirt jumps that I normally ride on my 26er jump bike. These days there are nearly as many variations of 29er as there are 26ers. Don't be fooled into thinking they're all XC race machines.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... A 29r is NOT designed for riding proper technical stuff
By technical riding, do you mean technical, natural terrain or technical as in booters and gaps?
I'd say a 29er is very good at natural technical from experience, i'd also say a 29er for booters and gaps is a bit rubbish for stylin and finesse and agree with you totally. But for getting average joe to leave the floor on the average trail centre bump, they're more than adequate and their inherent stability would aid in composure in the air.
WTF are you really retarded or trolling??
Bit of both maybe but I'd lean towards trolling.
what about nice tight and very techy natural stuff?
So....
I'm asking in a spirit of enquiry, can anyone tell us the actual advantages of 29ers?
Pinhead - excellent in my experience. I think the handling of my 130mm 29er is better than the 150mm 26er of the same make and model it replaced, especially on tech stuff.
I'm asking in a spirit of enquiry, can anyone tell us the actual advantages of 29ers?
its a choice, some people don't like choice.
adstick - Member
Pinhead - excellent in my experience. I think the handling of my 130mm 29er is better than the 150mm 26er of the same make and model it replaced, especially on tech stuff.
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No offence lad, but can u explain what u call tech????
crikey.
What [b]I[/b] find the advantages are for [b]me[/b]
I feel just as confident on my Tallboy LTc as i do on my Nomad while descending* but it climbs faster, get's better grip on techy climbs and is faster on the flat.
*In certain situations more so.
I've been around long enough to know what [b]i[/b] want from a bike and the larger wheel suits me.
Why be so Fukin insulting??? This is my opinion and it's geeky fukers like u that do me head in!
Good I'm pleased 😆 I can't belive how much those 3 inches really piss you off.
You have your opinion and so does everyone else, or is that not ok with you?
get over yourself and go ride a bike.
For me it's better grip and tyre 'feel', with more stable handling. By stable I mean not twitchy rather than slow.
Pinhead - excellent in my experience. I think the handling of my 130mm 29er is better than the 150mm 26er of the same make and model it replaced, especially on tech stuff.
What did you get Adam? And what was the 150mm 26er? Also, I'm trying to remember how tall you are - do you agree with the '29ers are better for taller people' thing?
No offence lad, but can u explain what u call tech????
I would say he is reasonably handy on a bike.
But what are the actual measurable advantages?
I'm pushing the point because people seem sure that the change in wheel size is significant, but is it about a new bike? Or is it about an expected difference?
Is it placebo or is it a real advantage?
Measurable advantages aren't relevent to me as i'm not a racer.
It's just "feels" nicer/ more stable/ better to me.
grum - Member
Pinhead - excellent in my experience. I think the handling of my 130mm 29er is better than the 150mm 26er of the same make and model it replaced, especially on tech stuff.
What did you get Adam? And what was the 150mm 26er? Also, I'm trying to remember how tall you are - do you agree with the '29ers are better for taller people' thing?
No offence lad, but can u explain what u call tech????
[b]I would say he is reasonably handy on a bike.[/b]
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And what would u call reasonably handy rider??
Steep Tight and technical riding has no place for a delicate 29r!
its a choice, some people don't like their choice being deemed obsolete and implied as inferior by zealots and marketing keen to drive a consumer industry with a new standard that entails buying an entire bike when there's nothing wrong with the old ones.
FTFY.
I dont mind choice. SSStu has tried the available choices and likes the newer offering. Others have tried it and found it wanting (one riding buddy sold his 29er within a few months, another riding buddy loves em). I have no desire or need to try it as I am happy with my current choice, whether it was arrived at by accident or design. If and when I am next in the market for a full bike I'll consider whats available at the price I want to pay, for the sort of bike I want to ride, regardless of wheel size, manufacturer, country of origin or paint job. I'll judge the bikes on their merits.
The overwhelming majority of MTBs sold in the US are 29er, and most US riders laugh at the very idea of a heavy steel hardtail with a long travel fork as being a nonsensical combination of all the worst atrributes of a bike, which is the UK/STW staple.
To answer the OP, some of us are cynical enough to judge all changes in standards (8 speed worked better for longer in adverse conditions than 10 speed, square taper BBs lasted longer than ISIS/HT2 etc ad nauseum) as driving consumerism and take the performance increase claims of marketing men employed to sell them with a pinch of salt. We'll leave the early adopters to sort out all the beta testing and let the market settle (seen how cheap 1.5" forks are now as no one wants them) before we commit our hard-earned cash.
Grum - It's a carbon stumpjumper with fox 34s. Very very impressed with it despite being a bit of a cynic for a long time. It's just so much fun, very confident and flattering. I'm not a total convert though, if I wasn't lucky enough to have a big bike and a jump bike as well as my regular mtb I'd still have one 26 bike I think.
Youll have to have a go. We're probably going to be up at your bro's at New year...
I have about 50 million 26er tyres in the garage, and 4 sets of nice 26er wheels. I reckon 29ers can have some advantages but I'm yet to ride one that's good enough to make me want to make all that change. Or for that matter, to deal with not being able to stick the wheels and tyres off my DH bike into the trailbike for a trip to the alps, or to swap the wheels off the trailbike onto the XC bike because its wheels are dinged, or whatever.
So in short- same as any other development, the benefits of change need to outweigh the costs of change, and they don't even come close IMO. But people's situations vary
currently riding a carbon fibre Stumpjumper Expert 29'er hard tail with 100mm Fox 32 forks, 1 x 10 gearing, short stem and 750mm bars
simple bike, easy to clean and minimal maintenance
very nice for trail riding, no complaints about 'handling' from me?
actually a very precise handling bike on steep and tight terrain
very good for climbing technical terrain, and goes like lightning down the hills
it also seems to deal with snow and mud very well, with 2.2" Specialized Purgatory tires, plenty of clearance and floats on the soft ground where my 26" bikes used to get bogged down
was very surprised after hearing all the bad press on 29'er
sold the 26", and bought the 29er without testing to find out what all this bad press was about?
It seems that no one can answer the question, and I am beginning to assume that there aren't actually any serious advantages to the 29er format.
Lets have one more go; what performance improvements can I expect if I go 29?
I did!
"For me it's better grip and tyre 'feel', with more stable handling."
Ok, ok, but can you analyse it a bit more?
Could the same effect come from a longer wheelbase for example? Or from bigger softer tyres?
I fitted some electronic measuring and timing gear to my 29er bike and the results were precisely
7.1% faster
3.25% more efficient
50% less ****y
You should try one... 😀 see for yourself
But that would make me minus ****iness in performance terms; I'm not sure how being un****y would sit; I might end up being so un****y that I got ****y again.
I need science answers!11
Ok! Something to do with the longer contact patch and a larger volume of air in the tyres makes them feel more like 26 DH tyres, but with the advantage of being on a much lighter and more nimble bike. I'm sure the wheelbase helps, which is weird since I thought I liked very short chainstays but after a little 'retiming' it doesn't bother me....
But that would make me minus ****iness in performance terms; I'm not sure how being un****y would sit; I might end up being so un****y that I got ****y again.
No it wouldn't, you'd just be 50% less ****y than now...
As for 29ers, it's only a bike.. just try one and see...
My head hurts now.
A 29er would cure that...
crikey - I'm a reluctant convert. It all started when I fitted some knobblies to my tourer for a bit of "cross" action. What I noticed was that the bigger wheel ran over some trail obstacles more smoothly and without having so much of an impact on forward momentum. From that, I decided to take a punt on a full-blown 29er and I've not been disappointed. I dunno if that helps?
SS Stu has a big pot belly. That is all.