[Closed] 27.5 plus " shocking grip in mud "

I'm sure there was a review in the mag that suggested they all slide a bit in mud.

Suppose it depends on the mud?

27.5 plus making the trails feel as there are alive 🙂

Liking your new frame rich "stooge" ?

Yes, yes, they are.

(anything to avoid doing the same thread again)

Float is the enemy of mud grip basically. Even a 2.5 shorty with its big wide spaced knobs can get a bit floaty on the wrong mud at speed, so a wider tyre with less knobs is at a disadvantage. Mudplaning.

Also, nobody makes a plus mud tyre. And most pre-built bikes seem to come with fast rubber, so straight away that's pretty unfair, lots of nobby nics and rocket rons- you wouldn't buy a normal bike with nics and rons or nanoraptors or whatever and be surprised when they sucked at mud.

Thanks scotroutes , have I seen this posted before ? No if I had then the question for sure I would have no need to ask , reply much appreciated.

Think about why boats float and why they can sink if carrying a heavy thing.

Well done druidh. Seems you got sheepshifter's goat. 😀

But yes, fatter tyres rubbish in mud. That's why pukka mud tyres are all skinny waifs.

For what reason are the brands belting on about plus then , what are the advantages

IME < 2.0 tyres are nearly always better in mud. You want a tyre to cut through it and find some purchase.

If you're the fat-or-die-trying type then a weight-weenie fatbike at warp-speed might just float over a good section of slurry before you bail 😀

Because if you don't ride trashed sloppy trails they're fast and a good laugh?

I'm with Malvern rider on this

Because if you don't ride trashed sloppy trails

... you don't ride at all, this not being California?

Rickos - Member
Well done druidh. Seems you got sheepshifter's goat.

For what reason are the brands belting on about plus then , what are the advantages

Summer bikes, innit. Then you have to buy a winter bike and the bike industry smiles.

They're all fine if you live in California or Utah, but the MTB industry does always seem to look on the UK as a bit, you know, niche. Mud? What is this mud thing?, etc.

Even in summer it can be horizontal rain and hub-deep mud.

Good lord, this thread again?!

Hardly takes a genius to see they aren't going to be great in mud - what with being the exact opposite of a mud tyre....

Better than a full fat bike though.

I happen to work in the industry, very curious to get owners views , my feelings are that before this platform has built any momentum its days are numbered.

I've not found the 3" tyres on my Krampus any worse in recent muddy conditions than the tyres on my other 2 mountain bikes. I'm not running proper mud tyres on those though - 2.3 WTB Bronsons on one, and On-One Smorg/Chunky on the other.

The big tyres do seem to cope better with wet/slippy roots though, and there's a lot of them around here.

Maxxis Chronicle on the front and a Vee Rubber Trax Fatty on the rear, normally at about 12 psi apiece.

I wonder if the new Maxxis plus tyres will be any better in the mud i.e. ones designed for European weather rather than Californian. I'm thinking of going for a 29er DHR 2 to a 27.5+ DHR 2 so in theory I should get a good idea on how much difference the extra width makes.

@sheepshifter, i definitely don't think its days are numbered. They are a lot of fun when ridden in dry/damp conditions by riders that aren't agressive enough to find floppy sidewalls a problem. They may not be great for a hardcore UK enduroist, but pretty sweet for a lot of other riders.

Christ are folk still falling for the fat bike plus plus nonsense 😆

I happen to work in the industry...

And you come to a forum to find out about them?

I happen to work in the industry...

And you come to a forum to find out about them?

Saturday boy at Halfords?

Why? Because I can run B+ in my 29er frame for non-mud, rocks etc where it's a hoot. When it's muddy I put the skinny 29's back on. Oh, and it annoys some people who think we all have to ride and rate the same bikes, even though we ride different trails for different reasons.

Christ are folk still falling for the fat bike plus plus nonsense

I'd say it's very much area and rider dependent. I wouldn't buy a full fatty for the riding I do, but a 29+ is perfect for a lot of the trails and type of ride I go on.

The terrain around me varies from pebblebeds, flinty earth, moorland, and a lot of sandy gravel. Lots of rooty singletrack too. Luckily it's not too claggy - I grew up riding the Berkshire downs - a plus bike would be hell there 😆

Unless I'm specifically heading for DH trails or techy singletrack I'd class a lot of my riding as MTB green-laning - bridleways, unmetalled roads, moor and heath land trails, and the Krampus is spot in for bimbling and exploring. Mind you it's no slouch and will happily hoon its way down singletrack too.

It all depends upon the rider and the riders' tastes is exactly right. I've had as many people try to talk me out of B+ as have told me it's a great idea.

I've concluded that as usual I'll need to make my own mind up and ride one sometime, when I'm ready to buy a new bike if I really like it. There's really nothing wrong with my existing bikes, but I see the potential for a big cutting down as I currently have a FS 650B, HT 650B, HT 29er and HT 4" Fatbike. Sidewalls are what really worries me at the moment. Once the industry loses the obsession with trying to make B+ tyres as light as possible and starts using real carcasses then we may see some progression.

STW does seem to have some fairly narrow groupthink at times.

plus one - Member
Christ are folk still falling for the fat bike plus plus nonsense

Just the mincers

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STW does seem to have some fairly narrow groupthink at times.

Et viola!
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plus one - Member
Christ are folk still falling for the fat bike plus plus nonsense

😉

I'll need to make my own mind up and ride one sometime

You're not going to get far around here with that sort of sensible clear thinking!

Sensible *and* forward thinking!

I already know what happens if I ride a bike I really really like, which is why I'm not to going to go and play on one just yet. Plus (see what I did there?) it gives them time to start making real tyres!

When I first got my plus bike I did notice some of the occasional drift on slimey mud, but experience of riding the plus tyres and swapping out the stock Purgatory/Ground control combo for a pair of Nobby Nics has really changed my thinking. I also have a set of 29er wheels with Minion/HR2 that I sometimes use on the same bike and would have to say that there is more grip in the mud with the plus tyres.

I also have a set of 29er wheels with Minion/HR2 that I sometimes use on the same bike and would have to say that there is more grip in the mud with the plus tyres.

Ah, but what [b]type[/b] of mud? 😆

Clink, that's a whole new STW thread meme,

what mud for 27.5 B+

I want to use my B+ tyres this weekend, where is the correct mud for Hans Damf front and rear fitment ....

where is the correct mud for......

We need trailforks to add that info in.

And I was considering a fatbike for winter use, I can always put normal wheels on it I suppose with skinny tyres 😀

To quote from another thread on the same topic...

I keep hearing that they're rubbish in mud but I've been riding mine loads in slop - wet and slippy or thick and craggy and I consistently find it works well and I regularly have other riders comment on how slippery a trail was when I found plenty of grip.

Maybe I'm just a (mud) riding god.
(Purgatory 3.0 front, Nobby Nic 2.8 rear)

OP buys into latest fad without actually understanding the implications.
In the industry? Only in the same way that Im in the car industry because I own a car.... 🙄

And I was considering a fatbike for winter use, I can always put normal wheels on it I suppose with skinny tyres

Or,
Get some On One Floaters, which are pretty good in mud & cheap 😀

I'd say I'm a pretty handy rider, I like it. I live in the Peak Distict so we don't really do mud, and most people have the decency round here to avoid the few trails that do get sloppy.

I like the extra traction, extra give and it's given me better times on most things on Strava compared to my old hardtail. It's arguably better suited to trails with big rocks everywhere rather than pootling around the Surrey Hills though.

This is pretty interesting as well, from a very fast rider who knows what he's talking about. A plus tyre, even on the rear, makes you faster.

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WTB launched a B-plus mud tyre as an April fool's joke a couple of years back.

most people have the [s]decency[/s] choice round here to avoid the few trails that do get sloppy

just a little tweak here! 🙂 Bit of both, sure, but the choice definitely enables the decency!