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Opening the article gives me an ‘error repeatedly occured’ error
Hmm. Fine on our browsers here. Will get Tech to investigate.
Also, I forgot to say that ebike industry should be concentrating on making motors more reliable, more efficient and cheaper etc than just doing a wattage arms race for headlines.
I’m using Safari on a fairly old iPad and have managed to have a read now but still got a lot of page reloading. More likely an adverts issue than your words I’d suspect ?♂️
Looks like the post delay is still an issue too
Blame customers, more power sells. Â Not just because of the spec sheet, everyone wants to beat their mates up the hill or at least not be trailing behind.
IT was interesting that in a recent discussion on the DJI bike the only thing that ultimately that seemed to matter to a lot of people was the higher max power and thus less effort required.
Replacing a max speed with a max power (did I read that write) won’t happen in Europe as there are a lot of these bikes used in mix use paths with pedestrians – 25 km/h is plenty fast enough in that environment (but you need to edit your article?)
Well they’d not get their UK CA certification, (CE as was) which would pretty much put a stop to importation.Â
Max weight of 300kg might affect sales of Privateers?
“It’s to do with pedal assist bicycles straying too far from their original remit and raisn d’être. Namely, to add a bit of extra motor power on top of the rider power going into the pedals.’
Not sure I agree with that, shopping bikes have claimed to be car replacement options and recreational mountain bikes have shouted “Further, Faster, Steeper!" from the get go!
I’m happy for the ebike speed limit to stay at 15.5mph. It’s fast enough to keep you riding off road at a fair clip, but not fast enough to terrorise people as you go past, whereas 20mph is actually quite quick for a canal path, town centre, single track.
Why would anyone miss out, except manufacturers wanting to sell us bigger and faster?Â
If you need an ebike due to a disability, or for commuting, or for urban run around, they still can.
15kmh?
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It seems to be targeting the wrong thing. Cargo bikes are a genuinely useful thing, replacing the car and helping reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Mountain bikes with motors are a waste of the world’s lithium and they’re not really going to lose out from the new regulations.Â
The peak power race had to stop. I was just jaw dropped when i read that the 250w limit was what can’t be exceeded for 30 minutes.
I’ve not done much time on an ebike so can’t comment on the support ratios.
I think fundamental to our ebike rules is that can go anywhere a push bike can go. If you want to do 20mph or 30mph that’s fine you can buy an electric motor bike that does that. But you then lose the ability to ride bridleways, cycle paths and trail centres
off-road wise does this sort of power increase erosion/ wear to surfaces? Not trying to start anything just curious if that kind of power actually does something.
IME Undoubtedly. As someone who rides both, it is unnavoidable to do more damage, especially uphill, on an eeb.Â
Agree that maintaining current speed restriction, and reigning in power and torque increases would be a good thing. Make motors and batteries lighter, not bigger and faster
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Anecdotally, yes.
a) riders are doing more laps of winch and plummet type stuff, so just more use = more wear
b) a big issue locally is riders going out on the moorland peat in the wet – where previously it was summer use only as you physically couldn’t propel a bike through the bogs, riders are now just sticking it in Turbo and mashing through regardless. Talking to the landmanagers, its becoming enough of an issue that where they would previously turn a blind eye to subtle cheeky use in good conditions (guilty as charged!), they’re going to start actively enforcing bike bans all year round – the peat is now so lacking in vegetation it still erodes even in dry conditions
Sounds about right to me, except everyone I know that has an eeb would go with more durable not lighter.
I’m in no rush to swap my eeber for anything with moar power, but something that could better stand up to our local conditions year round would be very appealing to me and the folks I ride with.
Durable! f’ing durable! Double yes! Why the hell did I not write that?Â
The assistance shouldn’t really be more than any cycling muggle could produce, where’s the tipping point between assistance and the pedals essentially being a throttle?
As ever, there’s no impetus on the manufacturer to stop misuse and no enforcement when there is misuse. Seems the powers that be have turned a blind eye to the obvious e-Mopeds that are being used by deliveroo et al, so someone running 1000w of power instead of 750w and still actually pedaling is never going to get picked up.
300 kg is a very big cargo bike – that’s 90kg more than the EAV four wheelers which a lot of city delivery operators use. Our Riese & Müller Packster bikes are able to carry a car boot’s worth of stuff and are only 50 kg. In the UK, crappy infrastructure is much more of a barrier to families or people with disabilities.
My ebike has 85nm and 400watts max
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It feels like you have to put effort in up to about 50/60nm. Stick it in full and your legs don’t feel like they are the ones contributing Most of the effort . However ride long enough and steep enough you can still end up knackered in even at full 85nm/400 watts.
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Ive not ridden the DJI but I imagine it must be quite frustrating hitting 15mph almost instantly and then having to pedal.Â
Is Donald Trump involved ? Sounds like a stealth tariff to me to protect the old school motor companies that cannot match the DJI outputÂ
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As has been said above, I’d prefer them all to concentrate on and in order. Reliability, 1 universal mounting standard, universal removal batteries
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I thought the new orbea rise was a full power bike? Ie 85nm and around 600w?
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As for motor power, there will come a point when more power is pointless as long as the 15.5mph motor cut out speed exists. Once you can maintain 15.5mph up any steepness of hill, any more power is useless, I’d guess that djis 1000w is pretty much that point.
I’m not interested in max power, 750w is more than enough, I want reliability, lightweight, small form factors, efficiency.Â
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Of course they cause more erosion – simple physics. Heavier, more speed, bigger grippier tyres with more power transferred to traction. Similar to modern heavier cars leading to more potholes. Anecdotally, many of the riders using the powerful bikes are more interested in blasting around, racing mates than concern for the environment they’re travelling through. Similar to fly camping – lack of understanding/education.
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We need a new category of electric motorbike, and get electric assist back to where it was. Electric motorbikes could be licenced a bit like mopeds.
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A few countries have speed pedelec class. Halway between a bicycle and a moped
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https://rideelectric.co.uk/speed-pedelec/
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