Cotic Jeht Gen 2: First Looks (No Feels)

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The Jeht is Cotic’s most recent suspension model, debuting in late 2020. Late 2023 brings in the next generation AKA the Cotic Jeht Gen 2.

Cotic Jeht 2 vital stats

  • Mid-travel 140/150mm full-suspension bike
  • Full 29er (but can be mullet-ed if desired)
  • Larger sizes get a more progressive kinematic
  • Crimson or Sage colours
  • Fabricated and painted by Five Land in Scotland
  • Frames from £2,199 with Rockshox Deluxe Select Plus rear shock
  • Complete bikes from £4,225
Wot stik?

Introduced as Cotic’s “goldilocks bike”, the Jeht was intended to offer a midground option between the brand’s bruiser bike (the wholly excellent Cotic RocketMAX) and its impressive Down-X-Country Cotic FlareMAX whippet.

The move has clearly paid off for Cotic as the Jeht is now its biggest selling full-suspension mountain bike model.

Sage colour option

Keen Cotic watchers will not be surprised as to the nature of the changes inplemented to this new Gen 2 Jeht (surely there must be some sort of Jet2 themed marketing campaign potential here?!). The Jeht 2 bares the same sort of tweaks as have happened to the latest iterations of the aforementioned RocketMAX and FlareMAX framesets.

This means there’s not much in the way of geometry changes – Cotic was well ahead of the modern geo game anyway – apart from a modest increase in BB drop. The most obvious changes are the introduction of Cotic’s Reynold 853 “HD” down tube and the brace tube just above the BB junction.

Unsurprisingly, there is no thru-headset cable routing on the Cotic Jeht Gen 2. “Call us old fashioned, but we have stuck with tried and tested head tube routed fork steerer. We don’t believe that anything else should be routed through that bit of the frame.” Chapeau!

Whilst the goemetry hasn’t really changed, there have been some a-shufflings with the suspension layout. Essentially bigger frame sizes get a more progressive suspension rate. Progression is 22% for the C1, 28% for the C5. Anti-rise and anti-squat remain the same by the way.

C-what now? Cotic continue its move from unhelpful and outdated S, M, L, XL sizings to a system it calls C-Sizing. A total of five different C sizes reduces the reach jumps to under 20mm. Cotic says:”this means you will be less likely to drop ‘between’ sizes, and with shorter seat tubes you will be able to maximise your dropper post drop.”

Scores on the doors

Cotic: “A quick note on the Deluxe Select Plus: This is an OE only spec, which is a significant improvement in performance over the Select damper you see on a lot of budget builds. Between you and I, it’s not done any favours by keeping the “Select” in the name. The Select Plus is actually the Ultimate damper without all the adjusters. It’s significantly more sophisticated than the Select shocks, and we use the same internal LM tune as the Super Deluxe Ultimate we spec. It’s a great shock, with very little compromise compared to the higher end dampers we offer, particularly for our customers who are averse to twiddling dials.”

Bronze builds start at £4,225

“We have re-jigged the builds on the new Jeht, with the Bronze build coming at the entry point of the range, with SLX drivetrain and wheels, Deore brakes and Rockshox Revelation/Deluxe suspension. The Sage bike in the photos is a Bronze build.”

Silver builds start at £5,075

“We have tweaked the Silver build to keep the SLX drivetrain and Deore brakes, but it gets HUNT wheels, and Rockshox MY22 Pike Ultimate and Cane Creek Air IL shock. It’s the build that a lot of our bikes go out with, so we thought we would formalise the “Thinking riders’ build” of solid drivetrain and brakes with top end suspension and great wheels.”

Gold builds start at £5,575

“Gold builds are full XT or GX Eagle Mechanical with Cane Creek HELM/Air IL suspension, with Hope wheels joining a selection of other Hope parts to complete a sweet package. You get your choice of Hope colours. The Crimson bike in the photos is a Gold XT build with Rockshox Lyrik/Super Deluxe Ultimate, Hope V4 Brake and Hope stem upgrades which is £6,065 UK price.”

Platinum builds start at £6,999

“The Platinum build returns with wheels, brakes, cranks and full finishing kit from Hope, XTR drivetrain, Enduro Bearing bottom bracket, WTB tyres, Rockshox Ultimate or Cane Creek HELM/Air IL suspension.”

Works builds start at £7,999

“New at the top of the range is the Works build with all you could ever want: Wheels, brakes and full finishing kit from Hope, Cane Creek ti cranks, XTR shifting, Garbaruk cassette for the lightest 12spd drivetrain available, Enduro Bearing bottom bracket, WTB tyres, Fox Factory Float X and Lyrik Ultimate Suspension. It’s QUITE a thing.”

Your Bike Built For You

“We assemble every single bike to order right here at our HQ in the UK, and all the build kits are on the shelf ready to go. It’s Your Bike Built For You, so if our stock builds don’t quite conform to your idea for your dream Jeht, we can change the spec to pretty much anything you want to make it spot on for you.”

No feels this time

We only had a modest muckabout in the woods on the new Cotic Jeht Gen 2. And it was on a C3 size demo bike, which with its 482mm reach wasn’t exactly petite but was still shorter than the 500mm+ that I typically ride. The main things I noted were how good the WTB Verdict tyre and Hope Tech 4 V4 brakes were.

Oh, and the Crimson paint is gert lush.

Anyways… We’ve got our name down for a proper test period loaner bike at some point in the new year.

cotic.co.uk

I mean, I had a go on it but only for a bit (and it was a small-for-me C3)

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Orange Switch 6er. Stif Squatcher. Schwalbe Magic Mary Purple Addix front. Maxxis DHR II 3C MaxxTerra rear. Coil fan. Ebikes are not evil. I have been a writer for nigh on 20 years, a photographer for 25 years and a mountain biker for 30 years. I have written countless magazine and website features and route guides for the UK mountain bike press, most notably for the esteemed and highly regarded Singletrackworld. Although I am a Lancastrian, I freely admit that West Yorkshire is my favourite place to ride. Rarely a week goes by without me riding and exploring the South Pennines.

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  • Cotic Jeht Gen 2: First Looks (No Feels)
  • Blackflag
    Free Member

    I have the gen 1 and its proper sorted so glad they havent really changed it.

    But looking at the mullet options on the website show the head angle drop from 64.5 to 64.4 yet the seat angle drops from 76.2 to 75.1 – Is this really correct?

     

    kelvin
    Full Member

    The mullet builds use a Works angleset to keep the headangle/handling in the same ballpark.

    WildHunter2009
    Full Member

    Biggest issue I have with this, is the lovely red colour is now unlikely to be the next Flaremax colour :(  I really like the slightly darker red Cotic use sometimes but South Downs based means a Flaremax is really the better bike.  Maybe need a demo!

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    cy
    Full Member

    If you can get a day off in the week, our Showroom in Chesterfield is open Wed-Fri 10-4 and you can demo a bike from the door. Coffee is good too. Come and see us.

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    explorerboy
    Full Member

    I very much *want* a RocketMAX as my next FS. I think it’s likely that a Jeht2 (especially in Sage Green… lovely and understated) will actually be the next FSer

    davros
    Full Member

    Partner has a Brompton in that matt sage colour. Maybe I need to get the matching jeht 🤔

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    Blackflag
    Free Member

    The mullet builds use a Works angleset to keep the headangle/handling in the same ballpark.

    You know what? I actually already knew that but then managed to totally forget it. Cheers for reminding me.

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    highlandman
    Free Member

    Idle musings… I wonder how this would ride with a Z1 Coil at 150mm.

    I know, that’s then getting quite close to a RocketMax trail build but I’m unconvinced that the rocket is what I really need for big days in the mountains.

    pedlad
    Full Member

    Me likey a lot and could be a do it all contender to replace current Banshee Spitfire gen 2. What’s the frame weight like and is it all steel or the rear triangle alu?

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    Blackflag
    Free Member

    Rear is Alu.

    When i compared my frame with others around I concluded it basically weighed the same as its alu competition.

    stevehine
    Full Member

    This might be what I need to upgrade my now 5-year old FlareMax. I wonder if it’s worth changing the whole bike; or just swapping most of the bits over … Also, @cy – I assume you *also* do good tea ? I’m not a coffee fan (I know, shame on me!) 

    1
    StuF
    Full Member

    This is definitely at the top of my list if I ever get a full suss. I think it would be an ideal bike for Peaks and occasional Lakes visits

    ayjaydoubleyou
    Full Member

    Bike looks nice, well done Cotic. Additionally, well done Ben for putting a decent and useful article together based on the press release.

    Another brand that has gone to a weird sizing nomenclature.

    After the last decade of brands telling us “trust us, longer reach is good, buy the same letter size you would normally get, but the bike will be longer and thats deliberate and desireable” have we now switched to “pick a size based on the reach you want“?

    weeksy
    Full Member

    The big problem for me at the moment is that all the big guys are knocking out bikes for buttons. Think of the Spec Enduro, the Santa Cruz 5010, the Specialized Status, the Trek Remedy, etc etc and more… It makes throwing £4000+ at a bike really tough to do. I get that the Cotic is ‘different’ but you’ve got to really really want a Cotic i think

    DaveyBoyWonder
    Free Member

    I was tempted to get a Jeht 18 months or so back but stuck with what I know and went for an Orange Five Evo but still look at these and think that they’re one of the VERY few bikes that’d be on my shortlist if I needed a new one-bike-for-all. They just look very “right”.

    cy
    Full Member

    @highlandman I would say it would be pluuuuuuuuush! We can get Z1s if you want ’em. Drop us an email for a price.

    cy
    Full Member

    @stevehine If you’re bits are in good nick, then every single part on your FlareMAX will transfer across. I know. A brand keeping consistence parts fitment over a period of years. Imagine that?!!! If any need replacement, we can sort you bits from our stock. Drop us an email and we’ll get you fixed up.

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    cy
    Full Member

    @ayjaydoubleyou Problem with ‘medium’ sizing etc is that not all companies’ mediums are the same, so you get people getting weirdly emotionally attached to the fact “I ride a large” even if that’s not the right size for them on a Cotic. Especially if you’re recommending going to something smaller than they would normally ride. Humans are weird. C-sizing makes people look at the numbers and consider what they actually need.

    cy
    Full Member

    @weeksy It’ll wash out in the end and those prices on other brands with chinese made carbon won’t last forever. It’s annoying to be getting kicked in the nuts for getting it mostly right in terms of stock and not being greedy though.

    cy
    Full Member

    @pedlad Thanks! Swingarm is aluminium, seatstays are steel, links are aluminium. Frame weight is 4.5kg give or take. Depends on shock and size. It’ll vary +-150 grams depending on that.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    It’s annoying to be getting kicked in the nuts for getting it mostly right in terms of stock and not being greedy though.

    I expect the MTB/Cycling industry is bloody hard work right now fella and i don’t envy your position in the slightest.

    fahzure
    Full Member

    @Blackflag I wonder if @cy (or someone else) will make links and a forward shock mount to correct the STA in mullet mode?

    cy
    Full Member

    @weeksy Thanks

    cy
    Full Member

    @fahzure Problem with doing that is the kinematic gets weird and we run into clearance issues with the seatstay against the seat tube. Droplink is quite sensitive to pivot positions.

    Blackflag
    Free Member

    As your on here Cy…

    I use my Jeht for Dyfi, Antur and BPW every now and then. Thinking of mulleting mine on those days with just the standard headset in. So its max slack!! Good or bad idea?

    honourablegeorge
    Full Member

    @cy – Do you sell without a shock? Any special tune needed for a Float X on this frame?

    barney
    Free Member

    @blackflag – I *might’ve* done this from time to time (with a 27.5×2.8, so perhaps not as slack as you’re thinking) – works well. It’s fun in the corners; less good at climbing. YMMV :-)

    noeffsgiven
    Free Member

    The select+ is the same as the ultimate damper but without all the adjusters, errrr, okay, not much point without the adjusters though. How much more is the SD ultimate costing Cotic, think I’d be happier to pay the difference, usually frame only deals spec the top of the range shock.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Choice of four shocks if ordering frame only (RS Deluxe Select+, CaneCreek DB Air IL, RS SuperDeluxe Ultimate RC2T or Fox FloatX Factory). The Select+ is the most affordable and fit and forget (and lighter then the SuperDeluxe).

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    chakaping
    Full Member

    The select+ is the same as the ultimate damper but without all the adjusters, errrr, okay, not much point without the adjusters though.

    In the forks at least, the Select+ model just works really well – despite not having the HSC dial.

    Probably helps that I’m average weight and not extreme in riding style.

    cy
    Full Member

    @blackflag It’s doable. Particularly on the Gen1 as it has a slightly higher BB than Gen 2. Roughly speaking it will slacken all your angles by 1 deg, shorten reach by around 10mm and drop the BB 12mm, which makes it 39mm drop static. Just be careful of your pedals on rocks.

    cy
    Full Member

    @honourablegeorge We don’t sell without shocks unless you have a shock that we currently use. We have had trouble in the past with people putting in any old shock without the right setup and damaging themselves and the frames. We spec the Float X, so if you have one in 210×55 then that would be OK. No special tune required. 

    orena45
    Full Member

    Any feedback on the Cane Creek DB IL vs the R/S and Fox shocks? Quite like the idea of the 4 way tuning of the CC (and it’s cheaper) but then again, also like the ‘simpler’ RS.

    The CC would be good for my local riding, but I’m off for a week to Aosta Valley and Morzine in Sept and wondering IF I got a frame, would the shock handle all day descending ok?

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    tuboflard
    Full Member

    I’ve got a Cane Creek DB IL on my Rocket Max gen 1 and it’s been trouble free on week long trips to the Alps (twice with White Room) and a week of uplift with Basque MTB. Absolutely no concerns about its durability.

    orena45
    Full Member

    Thanks @tuboflard, that’s good to hear 👍🏻

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    fathomer
    Full Member

    I had the DB IL on my old FlareMAX and did a week in the Alps no bother.

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    infernocup
    Full Member

    @orena45 give the guys at Cotic a bell. I’ve always found them to be super helpful. There’s bound to be one of them who’s done some riding in the Alps on the CC.

    orena45
    Full Member

    Yeah, good shout @infernocup.

    In the meantime, anyone got a Jeht G2 they want to show off??

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    jimbob99
    Free Member

    Well my new gen2 frame turned up last week, which I bought following a demo ride. I went RS SDL for the shock.

    However, apart from the fork I don’t have any other parts yet, and its going to take me a month or two to get them all. Will post a pic when its built though.

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    pypdjl
    Free Member

    Here is mine, still getting used to it but all good so far…

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