Stanton Bikes Statement Re Administration

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It’s being reported that Stanton Bikes has called in the administrators.

As a brand with a committed fanbase, this will no doubt be a source of sadness among many, although the past few years have clearly been difficult for the Peak District company – as it has been for many in the bike industry. The current economic downturn only places further pressure on businesses, especially smaller and independent enterprises.

Efforts to bring the building of bikes into the UK combined with supply chain issues saw customers waiting for long periods for bikes. However, it appeared that these difficulties had been overcome and Stanton had announced they were ‘back on track’.

Dan had big ambitions for the company, hoping to bring manufacturing back to the UK, eliminating advance orders, model years and end of season sales. Instead he hoped to bring greater sustainability and efficiency to building bikes, by building them to order and in small batches to meet customer requirements. Less waste, fewer unsold bikes at the end of a year, and much less world wide freight. Anyone that appreciates independent thinking and an effort to do good things will be saddened by this news.

Update, Thu 17 November:

Dan has just issued the following statement on the Stanton Instagram account:

Dear friends,

11 years ago Stanton Bikes became a business built on the popularity of the first frame I ever made. It wouldn’t have happened without the faith and support shown by others in what I do, people who love the culture of MTB as much as I do. I appreciate it now as much as I did when I first started.

So, now I find myself in the heartbreaking situation of seeing the business I built falling into administration, I want to be as open as I can with everyone.

Like many businesses that want to grow, particularly in manufacturing, we rely on financial backing. The last 2 years have obviously been extremely difficult to navigate and the exposure to severely unpredictable market forces has tested everyone to the limit. We find ourselves in a situation where our backers are looking to minimise their portfolio exposure. Meaning that we need to look for a new source of investment and that’s the task that the administrators have been brought in to achieve.

As things stand, Stanton Bikes Ltd is now under the control of the administrators. It is operating as a business but is in the hands of the administrator not mine. The main thing me and the staff here care about is making sure the handful of customers who have frames boxed up and ready to go get their frame as fast as possible, and the 8 customers waiting on bikes get their new trail weapons shipped too. Goodwill and trust are hard earned and it would be the worst outcome for me and the staff to see that damaged.

What’s slowing that down is the shifting of the business from our ownership to the administrators’ ownership. The switching of accounts and contracts with suppliers and shippers is taking a deal of time to sort out and put the necessary things in place to keep business as usual.

Thank you to everyone who has been in touch with messages of support, it keeps us going and lets us know that you’re there for us whatever the outcome. What binds me, the staff here, our customers, and the wider MTB community together is our love and passion for the scene. These ‘key metrics’ might not show on a balance sheet but sometimes it’s the things you can’t count that count the most.

Keep the faith,
Dan Stanton

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  • Del
    Full Member

    sorry to hear this. not an owner myself but have found myself looking at their website on more than a few occasions. all the best to the crew there.

    chakaping
    Full Member

    The moderation on here is a bit poo lately tbh, threads just get closed with no explanation

    I understand their desire to drive more traffic to their news content, but they’re making it look clumsy and opportunistic.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    I’m slightly surprised the forum doesn’t have a Merge functionality to merge multiple threads into 1.

    It’d potentially be slightly messy at times, but would make more sense.

    DaveyBoyWonder
    Free Member

    I’m slightly surprised the forum doesn’t have a Merge functionality to merge multiple threads into 1.

    Don’t think this talk of magazine price increases has mentioned the need for extra hamsters to power such functionality.

    dangeourbrain
    Free Member

    I’m not an accountant either, but I believe there is a hierarchy of creditors.

    There is, but that’s not the same thing as administration with a view to selling the business as a going concern.
    That hierarchy of creditors kicks in when doors close.
    At present it’ll be the suppliers (and potentially staff) getting the short end, so rent reduction, pay you 90p in the pound on our orders, asking the bank to reduce interest or renegotiate the term of loans etc etc in order to try keep the business turning over money and trading its way out of administration and paying them back in the longer term.
    Currently it’ll pretty much be a reverse of that hierarchy you mentioned, the only person they won’t be asking for help is the VAT man, beyond that tax right offs etc will all be at the top of the pile to look at as ways of reducing the debt.

    “administration” covers a few different things but the general perception is always the worst one.

    reeksy
    Full Member

    Dan has posted on Facebook just now an explanation of the situation. Basically, orders will be completed, looking for a new owner.

    … if it was a brewery we’d be crowd funding it by now

    BruceWee
    Free Member

    … if it was a brewery we’d be crowd funding it by now

    if the STW hive mind owned a bike brand…

    johnjn2000
    Full Member

    if the STW hive mind owned a bike brand…

    I’m in

    dangeourbrain
    Free Member

    if the STW hive mind owned a bike brand…

    Seriously, we’d end up with a high pivot, idler, gearbox, single speed with 26″ wheels, 20mm through axle front and 135mm qr rear, a 200mm front and rear travel and built to a target weight of 24lb.

    multi21
    Free Member

    high pivot, idler, gearbox, single speed with 26″ wheels, 20mm through axle front and 135mm qr rear, a 200mm front and rear travel and built to a target weight of 24lb.

    I’m in!

    benpinnick
    Full Member

    The moderation on here is a bit poo lately tbh, threads just get closed with no explanation

    I understand their desire to drive more traffic to their news content, but they’re making it look clumsy and opportunistic.

    I reckon we can probably get over it though, given that they do have to (continue to) make a living too.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    I do wonder though if the actual thought is as completely daft as it sounds of a Go Fund Me type page to keep them running, not the high idler SS/Hybrid/Gravel thing.

    Would it be completely stupid ?

    the-muffin-man
    Full Member

    Would it be completely stupid ?

    Without a good look at the company accounts – yes.

    ads678
    Full Member

    STW crowd funded bike models include: The Badger, Sudocreme Cat and Picolax. All come equiped with Marzzochi Bombers as standard.

    dangeourbrain
    Free Member

    All come equiped with Marzzochi Bombers as standard.

    Unless it was bought for your brother in law, then it can’t be owned with bombers.

    squealer
    Free Member

    Without a good look at the company accounts – yes.

    The company appears to owe a load of money to Dan and some other chap called robert Atkinson – £800k ish in total from the last accounts. This seems to rise each year due to losses.

    Dans loan was interest free but roberts loan (720k) was interest bearing so I suspect he’s the external investor who has called time on it. Maybe doesn’t want to put more money in?

    ads678
    Full Member

    The Picolax would be a gravel bike, but we could market it as a new skool ‘pebble dash’ bike.

    stwhannah
    Full Member

    Is the Baby Robin a DJ or kids’ bike?

    StirlingCrispin
    Full Member

    I suspect he’s the external investor who has called time on it

    Q: How do you make a small fortune in the bike industry?
    A: Invest a large fortune!

    With regard to the moderation/ thread locking, a comment stating that a new article had been posted would have saved me a few minutes of wondering what was going on.

    thepodge
    Free Member

    Didn’t a German forum kind of do that? Design & build a bike, not fine tune forum moderation.

    BruceWee
    Free Member

    Seriously, we’d end up with a high pivot, idler, gearbox, single speed with 26″ wheels, 20mm through axle front and 135mm qr rear, a 200mm front and rear travel and built to a target weight of 24lb.

    Yes! Exactly what I’m after (a singlespeed gearbox for extra extra nicheness).

    Not sure if I’ve got 800k myself, let me just check the price of bitcoin…

    reeksy
    Full Member

    Ooooh, I’d be interested in a bike that came with an inline auto-Plutoliner.
    Erm, the Frozen Wax Sausage?

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    That’s the wurst idea yet.

    doomanic
    Full Member

    Oh, I dunno, sounds like a right banger to me.

    squirrelking
    Free Member

    26″ wheels, 20mm through axle front and 135mm qr rear

    You just described so many of my bikes. That I still own.

    What’s the problem with any of those BTW? Or did marketing do it’s job 🙄

    dangeourbrain
    Free Member

    What’s the problem with any of those BTW? Or did marketing do it’s job 🙄

    Any one of the things in that list? Nothing particularly. Everything on that list all together? Yeah quite a lot.

    That being said though the things in that list are mostly old hat which does bring problems and difficulties and certainly means developing or buying new of them now would be daft.

    Eg the dinky snippet you posted leaves very little choice of good tyres, good forks*, or wheels in the modern age, that’s not marketing its just reality. Same as I don’t fit the much better** clothes I had years ago but they’d still be perfectly functional as clothes.

    *though I’m not sure if dh forks do tend to run 20mm axles still or not.

    **I may think otherwise if they still fit, I mean that turtles jumper was bloody awesome when I was little, now, maybe it wouldn’t be so good.

    StirlingCrispin
    Full Member

    Dan posted the following on Facebook.
    It’s been alluded to above but worth repeating here:

    “our collective aim is trying to make sure that the handful of customers who have frames boxed up are ready to get their frames as fast as possible. We are currently in the process of having these shipped which is great news, and we are just waiting on new trading accounts being opened with the suppliers to achieve this.
    As regards the 8 customers waiting on bikes, we are working hard to find a solution to get their new trail weapons shipped too, and we will provide an update on this situation in due course.”

    ———-
    In full:

    Dear friends
    11 years ago, Stanton Bikes became a business built on the popularity of the first frame I ever made. It wouldn’t have happened without the faith and support shown by others in what I do, people who love the culture of MTB as much as I do. I appreciate it now as much as I did when I first started.
    So, now I find myself in the heartbreaking situation of seeing the business I built falling into Administration, and I want to be as open as I can with everyone.
    Like many businesses who want to grow, particularly in manufacturing, we rely on financial backing. The last 2 years have obviously been extremely difficult to navigate, and the exposure to severely unpredictable market forces has tested us to the limit. We now find ourselves in an unfortunate situation where our backers are looking to minimise their portfolio exposure. Meaning that we need to look for a new source of investment, and that’s the task that the Administrators have been brought in to achieve.
    As things stand, Stanton Bikes Ltd is now under the control of the Administrators and our collective aim is trying to make sure that the handful of customers who have frames boxed up are ready to get their frames as fast as possible. We are currently in the process of having these shipped which is great news, and we are just waiting on new trading accounts being opened with the suppliers to achieve this.
    As regards the 8 customers waiting on bikes, we are working hard to find a solution to get their new trail weapons shipped too, and we will provide an update on this situation in due course.
    Goodwill and trust are hard earned, and it would be the worst outcome for me and the staff to see that damaged, and that’s why we are all working collectively to try and save this business and protect our customers and our brand. It’s clearly taking time to put new processes into place, but we are confident we can save this business, and continue to build premium bikes and frames for our loyal customers.
    We understand there will be many questions and worries, and we will do our very best to answer them. Thank you to everyone who has been in touch with messages of support, it keeps us going and lets us know that you’re there for us whatever the outcome. What binds us here are our customers, and the wider MTB community, and together is our love and passion for the scene.
    Keep the faith

    brant
    Free Member

    Dan’s bounced back.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    Dan’s bounced back.

    Elaborate ?

    the-muffin-man
    Full Member

    Dan’s bounced back.

    …moved into the trouser business? Stanton Strides? 🙂

    footflaps
    Full Member

    Might take him a while to get up and running though, coming out of administration is always a protracted process esp if you need to open trade accounts with the same suppliers who just lost money from the same company. You get shit payment terms (understandably) and that makes your cash flow much worse from day 1, which also make it more likely you fail second time around….

    chakaping
    Full Member

    which also make it more likely you fail second time around

    And without wanting to be negative, why did they go bust in the first place and what will be fixed?

    Had they just been spending more than they were making?

    Invested too much in full-sus development and didn’t sell any?

    Production/management problems a while ago? (I have a vague memory of unhappy customers)

    footflaps
    Full Member

    why did they go bust in the first place and what will be fixed?

    Probably Covid supply chain issues which would stretch any cash flow to breaking point…..

    My current company (Telco) is in the same situation, we make money by selling Telecoms kit and we can’t buy the chips to make anything, so we can’t sell anything which means no revenue. Yet we have salaries to pay. We’ve survived by importing scrap kit from Africa and having people individually de-solder key components off the boards, which we can then re-use! We have orders we simply can’t fulfill as we still can’t access key components…

    jamj1974
    Full Member

    Best of luck Dan and the rest of the Stanton bikes crew.

    Great bikes that ride extraordinarily well.

    weeksy
    Full Member

    So, Stanton bikes owned by Dan Stanton, has closed, but Stanton Bicycles owned by Daniel Stanton has bought the company?

    Rubber_Buccaneer
    Full Member

    You are mixing up Daniel Stanton, director of ‘Stanton Bicycles Ltd’ and ‘Fire House Design Ltd’

    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/htoLsVRzZTQVqvucQbNIuf6LoOA/appointments

    With Daniel Stanton, director of ‘Stanton Bikes Ltd’

    https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/HZjNW5_9oJvRkIt3cXWSQxYv-yE/appointments

    Easily done

    weeksy
    Full Member

    Fair enough. 👍

    politecameraaction
    Free Member

    You are mixing up Daniel Stanton, director of ‘Stanton Bicycles Ltd’…With Daniel Stanton, director of ‘Stanton Bikes Ltd’

    It’s the same person, obviously. Look at the DoB. Companies House doesn’t always consolidate multiple directorships of the same person. I don’t know why…

    ….unless I am missing the joke

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