Update: Peak District MTB petition successful: Cave Dale trail repairs postponed

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Having successfully raised the issue of the Pin Dale repairs, Peak District MTB has now turned its attention to the proposed repairs at Cave Dale – a hotspot for tourists, walkers and riders, and a much loved technical descent for the latter.

Update, Friday 28 Jan, 4.30pm

We’ve just received this statement from Derbyshire County Council:

“We have paused work in Cave Dale and all other similar work in the Peak Park, so we can prepare much more detailed plans for our proposals. The plans were previously discussed and approved by the Local Access Forum, but we will provide the group with more information so their views can be sought again.  

“We will look carefully at the concerns raised by Peak District MTB, and take these into account along with the views of user groups.

“It is not our intention to spoil the character of Cave Dale, or any other part of the Peak District, our works will be as sympathetic and minimalist as possible whilst being mindful of our role to ensure that these routes are fit for purpose and safe to use for walkers, cyclists and those on horseback.

“We will not be using the same recycled material that was put down originally in Pin Dale in any other rural location, this was done with all good intentions, but was never the plan for that area. This material is in the process of being removed.”

This sounds like a good commitment to sensitive repairs and more consultation. Given the Cave Dale path has been rough and bouldery for many, many years, it will be interesting to see how much weight is placed on ‘…whilst being mindful of our role to ensure that these routes are fit for purpose and safe to use for walkers, cyclists and those on horseback’. We’ve little doubt the Peak District MTB will be keeping a close eye on things, and thank them and all their supporters for their work.

Original Story continues:

As we noted in our initial story about Pin Dale, Derbyshire County Council has proposed a series of trail repairs, as listed in this document. However, Peak District MTB is concerned that the information provided to date is too vague to give confidence that the repairs will be sensitively carried out. Combine that with the apparent lack of oversight or adequate contractual specification of the works with the contractor on Pin Dale, and Peak District MTB’s unease over this lack of clarity is perhaps understandable.

Cave Dale
Credit: Peak District MTB

In an extensive post on its website, Peak District MTB sets out the steps they have already taken to try and establish further detail of the works to be carried out by or on behalf of Derbyshire County Council. Frustrated and concerned by the lack of response, and wanting to raise further awareness of the issue, it has now launched a petition to ask Derbyshire County Council to pause planned work on Cave Dale until:

  • They share detailed plans of intended works
  • They share a timeline of intended works
  • They conduct comprehensive consultation on these sensitive proposed plans.

Head here to add your voice to their petition.

Cave Dale
Credit: Peak District MTB

Incidentally, when asking about Pin Dale, we had asked Derbyshire County Council:

We did not get a specific response to this question, so have contacted them again today, as well as asking:

  • Will Derbyshire County Council put further repairs on hold until proper consultation of the full details of the materials, extent and methods of repair takes place?

We await their response and will update this story when we hear back. If you’re riding at Cave Dale this weekend – or anywhere else – don’t forget to tag us #stwfgf so we can all appreciate the trail as it is today (and you might win something if we really like the pic!)

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  • Update: Peak District MTB petition successful: Cave Dale trail repairs postponed
  • stingmered
    Full Member

    Petition signed.

    Tracey
    Full Member

    Signed and passed on

    dirkpitt74
    Full Member

    Signed & shared.

    stwhannah
    Full Member

    Kicking up a fuss works. Update:

    A spokesperson for Derbyshire County Council said: “We have paused work in Cave Dale and all other similar work in the Peak Park, so we can prepare much more detailed plans for our proposals. The plans were previously discussed and approved by the Local Access Forum, but we will provide the group with more information so their views can be sought again.

    “We will look carefully at the concerns raised by Peak District MTB, and take these into account along with the views of user groups.

    “It is not our intention to spoil the character of Cave Dale, or any other part of the Peak District, our works will be as sympathetic and minimalist as possible whilst being mindful of our role to ensure that these routes are fit for purpose and safe to use for walkers, cyclists and those on horseback.

    “We will not be using the same recycled material that was put down originally in Pin Dale in any other rural location, this was done with all good intentions, but was never the plan for that area. This material is in the process of being removed.”

    chevychase
    Full Member

    They don’t need to do *anything*

    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    They don’t need to do *anything*

    Well, they sort of do, they are obliged to maintain the roads and public rights of way.

    However the way they go about it has always been terrible, a total waste of time, effort and resources seemingly designed to wind up everybody and please nobody.

    This is far from the first time they’ve completely **** up everything they’ve touched, I doubt it’ll be the last.

    slowoldman
    Full Member

    I thought there was some MTB presence of the Local Access Forum.

    joat
    Full Member

    Well, they sort of do, they are obliged to maintain the roads and public rights of way.

    Where do they stop though? Jacob’s Ladder?, Sreaming mile?, The Beast?
    The designation shouldn’t automatically mean flatten it for the least able. Maintenence to keep the Status Quo is possible and more sustainable. Flattening Cave Dale would spoil it for the thousands and only last until the next storm. Wandering out of Castleton in your pristine white trainers and complaining they’re now dirty should not hold any sway when deciding on what maintenance is needed.

    chevychase
    Full Member

    @crazy-legs: As a walker, MTB-er and sometimes horse-rider I cover all of the user groups of a bridleway, and the long-distance walking path designation that Cave Dale holds.

    I can see no reason – not a single reason – to do anything with Cave Dale. At all.

    Does anyone else of the legitimate user-groups see a reason I don’t know?

    In the absence of a reason to do something then “maintenance for maintenance’s sake” – is what you’re talking about @crazy-legs. Which is obscure speak for “council needs to spend money to keep jobs going”.

    Well, it’s a pointless job in Cave Dale. Worse than that – it’s job that will only cause damage and detriment if it “fixes” something that doesn’t need fixing.

    The council needs to save that money and spend it on something much more important. Health services maybe?

    chevychase
    Full Member
    carlos
    Free Member

    Rode Cavedale today and although I didnt stop, I did think as I rode through that at the 2nd narrow bit ( the one just before it opens out and bears right) there seemed to be a large amount of un natural 30mm ish clean limestone.

    It only registered as the rest of Cavedale is 75mm plus or larger sized loose stuff.

    Anyone else noticed this? Is this a stealth “we’ll put some material down and see of anyone notices, then just keep adding a bit here and there” BS by DCC or am I just getting paranoid based on DEC’S previous. Or has it always been like that and I’ve only just noticed it today?

    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    Anyone else noticed this? Is this a stealth “we’ll put some material down and see of anyone notices, then just keep adding a bit here and there” BS by DCC or am I just getting paranoid based on DEC’S previous. Or has it always been like that and I’ve only just noticed it today?

    Could easily just be crap that’s been washed down the trail. To actually put stuff down, you’d need to bring in machinery; it’s not something that can be done by tipping a wheelbarrow-load here and there and hoping no-one will notice.

    In the absence of a reason to do something then “maintenance for maintenance’s sake” – is what you’re talking about @crazy-legs. Which is obscure speak for “council needs to spend money to keep jobs going”.


    @chevychase
    – I do wonder how much of it is the “we have money, we need to spend it” mentality but it’s probably a mix of that plus:
    – someone at the council giving a backhander to their mate who owns a construction company
    – someone who genuinely believes that that trails need repairing and that this is the best way to do it
    – some concerns have been raised about MTBers “hurtling” or “whizzing” or some such bollocks and the idea that they’ll do something to stop injuries
    – a walker fell and twisted their ankle and now DCC feel obliged to sanitise the path to protect the poor darlings

    Not sure if he still works there but the head guy at DCC was known to be very anti-MTB, however this was back in the days of the Rushup Edge debacle when they wasted tens of thousands of ££ on more or less the same shenanigans “surfacing” the entire Rushup Edge track in hundreds of tons of baby-head rubble. The horsey fraternity kicked off big time about that one as well as PDMTB because it turned a previously “rideable but technical” track into something that a horse would break a leg on.

    The council needs to save that money and spend it on something much more important. Health services maybe?

    Again, I don’t disagree but council funding, especially if it comes from Government grants, is usually ringfenced, You have applied for £50,000 to surface trails, you must spend it on surfacing trails, not community bus services / community health centre / meals on wheels / etc

    Sandwich
    Full Member

    From memory as it’s a long time since I last rode Cave Dale, some drainage works might be a better use of funds. It would help remove/reduce the icy sections at this time of the year.

    Pook
    Full Member

    @slowoldman

    We do. PDMTB is the voice for mountain bikers on the LAF. Trouble is, DCC didn’t do what they said they would to the LAF on Pin Dale. We’d flagged this work as part of that back in November:

    Planned imminent maintenance works by DCC (Winter 2021/2022)

    Pook
    Full Member

    Not sure if he still works there but the head guy at DCC was known to be very anti-MTB,

    Peter White. Since retired.

    From emails we are cautiously optimistic that the new Director of Highways seems more cooperative and open.

    The horsey fraternity kicked off big time about that one as well as PDMTB because it turned a previously “rideable but technical” track into something that a horse would break a leg on.

    Peak District MTB actually led that one too. We spent a lot of time early on bolstering support from other groups, especially the horse rider and disability groups.

    slowoldman
    Full Member

    @pook

    We do. PDMTB is the voice for mountain bikers on the LAF. Trouble is, DCC didn’t do what they said they would to the LAF on Pin Dale.

    Interesting given the quote from DDC is their response:
    “The plans were previously discussed and approved by the Local Access Forum”.

    Pook
    Full Member

    Yep. They said they’d do one thing, it was tentatively agreed with repeated requests for more detail, then they did something else.

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