I'm struggling to watch-put everything into perspective.

I hope those ****ts at Nu Labour are watching and it puts them off their sleep tonight.

Yep – 15mins in and it's quite thought provoking. Not an easy watch.

Those blokes are brave, no doubt!!

Watching it also, not sure if I should mind as my brother went out to Afghan today.

Holy Cow……19yrs old…….

This is an important program to watch.

So so sad. What are we doing sending our young men to this fate.

I chose not to watch. I just knew that I would have been 'twixt tears and rage.

We WILL remember them, be they fallen or wounded. We WILL.

Chose not to watch, but then saw this thread, so changed my mind and have watched the last 20 minutes. I am just as CFH said he would be!
And the chuffin BBC have shoved the bluddy news on half way through!!!!

The courage of the young guy who lost his legs & one arm is outstanding.

The courage of the young guy who lost his legs & one arm is outstanding.

agreed

The courage of the young guy who lost his legs & one arm is outstanding.

Agreed. Very humbling.

Immensely moving documentary – the Para's attitude was something else. And the bit where Andy was talking about his girlfriend staying by his side….

Astonishing courage.

Oh, and Gawd bless Physios and OTs. 😀

They are soldiers injured in warefare. What exactly were you guys expecting to see? A few scratches

What exactly were you guys expecting to see*? A few scratches

That isn't the point. Did you watch it?

(*speaking as a nurse – and as the son of an ex-army doctor – yes, I pretty much knew what I was going to see.)

Yes i watched (Most of) it. Young men injured in warefare. I dont see the issue

They are soldiers injured in warefare. What exactly were you guys expecting to see? A few scratches

I think you're missing the point. It's not the Bravo Channel style;
"worlds worst war injuries II".

I think most people seem to have been moved by the way the soldiers deal with their injuries and how the medical and the support staff help them through it.

Agree the Para's attitude was amazing with a wicked sense of humour saying,"He used to be 6ft tall & weigh 12st, but now he was 4ft tall and weigh 8st." talk about in the face of adversity, very humbling indeed.

I think most people seem to have been moved by the way the soldiers deal with their injuries and how the medical and the support staff help them through it.

Fair point.

I dont see the issue

That's because there is no issue.

TheLittlestHobo……….the issue the programme highlighted was their fortitude in overcoming their terrible wounds, not a programme to highlight that soldiers get injured, so I don't understand your flippant attitude, i suppose you think they deserved it…

Should be the prime ministers job to meet each and everyone of these injured
guys at the airport on the way back. Very moving but also makes me angry.

peakmonster….you're dead right there, and a senior minister should be at every funeral

I find the image of these shattered kids pretty shocking but I also see the point that our armed forces is a volunteer force. I just hope that their sacrifice isnt forgotten about.
Anyone who blames Nu Labour for this is a cretin, which ever party was in power would have slavishly followed the American lead.

Sorry i thought the programme was also thought provoking in respect of their attitudes towards dealing with the injuries.

I didnt however see it in any way as a programme which merited discussing the rights and wrongs of the war. Looking back maybe there werent so many comments. (Edit oh they have started now though)

I wasnt being flippant and why would i think they deserved it??

you came across flippant

flippant? – I`d say more of a troll

Not blaming the lefty socialists but you go to war you have to give the guys the man power and a clear achievable objective.

Anyone who blames Nu Labour for this is a cretin, which ever party was in power would have slavishly followed the American lead.

Possibly, but Nu Labour are / were in power, so they need to take responsibility for the decisions they made.

Very brave guys. Such a shame they are there in the 1st place though. Political pawns

I feel it is worth pointing out that 2 Para, the Battalion the Para came from sent back 54 wounded to the UK, the ratio of killed to wounded is around 1:4 so the lads that go through Selly Oak are the tip of the iceberg, very sobering thought and yes "We will remember"

I see the point that TheLittlestHobo is making, and I agree that it is strange how some people appear to be a little surprised of what war actually entails.

I myself, have been emailed by the mods with an official warning not too post pics which they presumably, considered to be too graphic. I had naively thought I was posting stuff which everyone was fully aware occurred (most of the pics had already been published in the national press)

But yes, it would appear that war has effectively been sanitised in the minds of some people. Given the level of jingoism which we are now often exposed to, and the historic role of Hollywood (with the exception of films such as 'Saving Private Ryan') I guess that it is not entirely surprising some people have perhaps a rather romantic view of war.

Good for the BBC I reckon, for showing at least one, ugly side of war – and on a prime-time slot and all. I didn't watch much of it myself, I turned over when they showed camcorder footage of an incident, but I'm pleased that some of the full horrors of war did indeed penetrate people's comfortable living rooms last night.

This was a very humbling watch and certainly puts our minor day to day troubles in perspective. However the thought that really bothered me was what happens to all the Afgan civilians / children who get their arms and legs blown off by IED's or laser guided bombs. How the hell do they cope, if they survive. Must be utterly miserable life in some parts of the world. No choice where you are born, biggest lottery going. The little people always get trodden on, whether its by Western governments or Afgan war lords.

I think the program hits home about the guys and girls that get injured and you don't hear about them on the news. The attitude of both of them was amazing and the care from the doctors and nurses was reassuring to see its all first class. It also makes you think that you should give your help to the British Legion and Help for Heroes who also do so much to help these guys..

what happens to all the Afgan civilians / children who get their arms and legs blown off

"If you are poor and wounded in Sangin this summer, your options are thin."

How the hell do they cope, if they survive. Must be utterly miserable life ….

It is a miserable life for Afghans. Life expectancy is 44 years – about the lowest in the world. I guess that getting your 'arms and legs blown off' is just another obstacle in a rather short life for them.

That times article makes me feel sick…. We relly are no better than animals, for all the sheen of civilisation we like to hide behind. Deary me this is all a bit serious for a site that's meant to be dedicated to my frivilous escape / hobby. I think I'll bury my head in the sand for the sake of my own sanity.