Why wouldn’t you want to put a CCDB on a Lapierre Spicy 2011?
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Why wouldn’t you want to put a CCDB on a Lapierre Spicy 2011?
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Posted 6 months ago #
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Colour clash?
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CCDB would go lovely on a Spicy, 5, Heckler etc etc brilliant rear shock
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because of the large amount of money it would cost?
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My mate had one on his spicy....."Awesome" being the word to describe it
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So apart from price are there any down sides?
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Weight?
Confusing array of adjustments?
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+1 on the confusing array of adjustments.
My guess is that mere mortals wouldn't fully understand exactly what they were doing and therefore not use the shock to its full potential.
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Any idea what the leverage curve looks like?
Normally if a frame is designed for an air shock (which the spicy comes with), the leverage ratio ramps up at the end of the travel to battle the ramp up in spring stiffness in an air spring.
The normal result of running a coil on a air designed frame is that you end up having to have a firmer ride to avoid bottoming out on good sized hits.
Obviously there are exceptions based on rider, if the rider is light, going coil will help them get full travel. Also if the rider is a mincer, running too much travel for how they use the bike, it will help them obtain that "plush" feeling and get full travel.
I don't recommend it if you're heavier than average or do a bit of proper 160mm riding, ie actually riding some proper DH, not just trail centre descents.
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Because the stock Fox is great?
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My guess is that mere mortals wouldn't fully understand exactly what they were doing and therefore not use the shock to its full potential.
Compression and rebound
How would we cope?
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I know, crazy but true.
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deanfbm why would you not recommend it for riding DH?
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deanfbm why would you not recommend it for riding DH?
Because he doesn't have the slightest clue what he is on about.
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Its not that confusing, the manual explains it very well!
Do it, its the best upgrade you will do! I get on really well with mine (not on a spicy) pedals great absorbs the smallest of bumps takes the big hits with so much smoothness, it never seems to feel out of it depth the only downsides are the cost and weight however i feel the weight is worth it for the performance.
Dave.
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Does the CCDB have any sort of lockout/propedal? If it doesn't, then I wouldn't- either the bike gets ridden up hills and I'd regret not having it, or, the bike doesn't get ridden up hill and I'd sell it and get a bigger bike.
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^LOL flow, please get some understanding before you comment.
I recommend the cane creek for DH riding on the correct bike.
The shock isn't the defining factor in suspension action, it's a relationship between the linkage design, spring type and damping. If one of these features isn't correct, then the whole system isn't going to work correctly.
A xc bike isn't going to turn into a good bike for DH by simply changing the shock is it?
I say using a cane creek coil on a spicy (dependant on the suspension design) isn't for DH because you'll be bottoming on any good hit unless you run a really stiff spring, then you'll lose any bump sensitivity.
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flow - TBH dean does sound like he has a massively better idea about how suspension works than you.
I wouldn't want a CCDB on my DH bike, but then I actually know why
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Northwind, It doesn't have a pro pedal lever or anything like that, its just that you can dial in the LSC and also the LS Dampening too so you can make very fine adjustments to how the LSC works and its the same for the HSC and HSD. So you can make it pedal well but not at the expense of small bump sensitivity.
http://media.canyon.com/download/manuals/Manual_Double_Barrel_Instructions.pdf
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GW - to be fair you don't know much about anything, zip it.
Dean - I have heard of people running CCDB on Fives (essentially an XC bike) and it turning them into a DH monster.
The fact that it isolates high and low speed compression, and high and low speed rebound makes infinitely adjustable, and just because a frame is designed around an air shock, doesn't mean it wouldn't work well or better with a CCDB.
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They feel a bit 'lifeless' regardless of set up. Not so good for 'play' type riding,popping off stuff and such. It will make an already very capable bike even more so,and will make a mockery of most trails !
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Rorschach very good point about the pop, i ought to have mentioned that. The dampening is so controlled with the double barrel shock body that it doesn't pop like a Vanilla or DHX etc, its a strange feeling at first but you do get used to it quickly.
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def getting a very big ATG&NI vibe from you Flow.
and just because a frame is designed around an air shock, doesn't mean it wouldn't work well or better with a CCDB.
No. you're correct! not that you have the slightest idea why.
Go on tho, tell us exactly what a *Lapierre Spicy's leverage curve is like and how suitable a CCDB is for that curve?*I don't know either (but I do know for my own bikes)
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Meh, it's not going to make you any quicker or hit stuff you wouldn't have before.
Save the money, or spend it on one of those skills course things, unless your name is Vouilloz.
If the jewellery fork & shock manufacturers (BOS/CCDB) were really that much of a game changer, all the Pro's would be riding them, regardless of contractual obligations. That's what black marker pens are for.
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I have CCDB and I have used on various bikes, including my old spicy, get the right spring and use the low rebound and compression damping to control the pedallin
NOTE: Always adjust the low compression and rebound damping together to certain degree...too much of either screws up the shock performance
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Iirc the spicey leverage curve is slightly regressive at the end of the stroke ,which helps with getting full travel with an air shock.I certainly had no trouble getting the o-ring to the bottom on the demo bike I rode last week.I ended up running a bit less sag than would have liked.Anyhoo with a more linear coil shock you might end up running quite a lot of hs compression damping to help support the bike at full travel.
They have changed the leverage curve on the 2012 models to make them a little more progressive.Posted 6 months ago # -
spoil sport
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Iirc the spicey leverage curve is slightly regressive at the end of the stroke ,which helps with getting full travel with an air shock
I don't know the terminology but "regressive" sounds like falling rate to me - wouldn't that reduce travel at the end of the stroke of an air shock (ie when inernal pressures are higher already) ?Posted 6 months ago # -
no it would allow an air shock (progressive by nature) to reach full travel easier
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You got me thinking now!Will run of to find a pencil and start scribbling linkage diagrams.I think I've got the lapierre set up on 'linkage' on my laptop.
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GW - to push an air shock to full travel you need to compress it fully
How could reducing the leverage/effective force applied to it by the suspension allow that ?
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hold on - maybe I get it now ...
goes off to scratch head
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think I'm confusing wheel travel and shock travel
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Where's loco.
He,ll end this once and for all
He tuned up my dhx5 coil with Ti for my spicy and it,s bloody amazing.
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boxxer7 - Member
Northwind, It doesn't have a pro pedal lever or anything like that, its just that you can dial in the LSC and also the LS Dampening too so you can make very fine adjustments to how the LSC works and its the same for the HSC and HSD. So you can make it pedal well but not at the expense of small bump sensitivity.
That's always going to be a compromise though. Course, you can twiddle the knobs between a climbing and descending setting with any shock but it's easier to do with propedal (or similiar). I'm liking the Van RC that's in my trailbike just now but if it didn't have a simple pedal mode/not pedal mode adjustment it'd never have been fitted in the first place.
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