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50 posts & 30 voices | Started 10 months ago by yossarian | Latest reply from winterfold

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cynic-al - Member

I'm saying "I like them" rather than "they are the best thing ever" because I have only my opinion to express and I don't want to present that as anything more significant, unlike many, for whom having and expressing a strong opinion as fact is more important than how objective or significant it is.

Whereas plenty like to diss tubeless without even having tried it, and presumably having got their hearsay-based-opinions from that trinity of factual integrity: their mates, cycling magazines, and the internet.

Posted 10 months ago #
Zulu-Eleven - Member

Ref tubeless - have you actually tried putting a tube into a tubeless tyre combo and refitting it?

ref Ksyrium Elite - BBM bikes are currently offering free MP3 (2 years crash damage warranty) which is a bargain!

Posted 10 months ago #
FuzzyWuzzy - Member

Err no, my opinion on road tubeless comes from indisputable facts such as cost and there being no weight saving plus my own experience with punctures in non-tubeless tyres tending to be gashes and my own experience with MTB tubeless (which I like but given I've experienced sealant pissing about everywhere from a 40psi tyre I have my doubts it would work any better on a 100psi tyre). All that I haven't done is actually ride them which would let me understand how they feel but given I can't tell the difference when using latex tubes and can barely tell the difference with tubs (and even then I'd guess that's more to do with reduced weight at the rim) then I'm still far from sold on the idea.

Your "I like them" argument offers me no additional insight that would persuade me they're worth trying...

Posted 10 months ago #
njee20 - Member

To my mind it's tubs for road (if not normal clinchers), tubeless for MTB, not the other way around!

The only person I know who tried road tubeless reverted to tubes, for the reasons above - negligible difference in feel, expensive tyres, no fewer punctures and they're messier and more faff. If I had the wheels I'd probably give it a go, but it's not something I'd intentionally seek.

Posted 10 months ago #
cynic-al - Member

OK FW mine feel like they roll better than tubed tyres, which I had thought was also the result of tests? I'm not going to state that as fact though as it's very subjective.

As my rims are tubeless I thought i'd give it a go.

Posted 10 months ago #
m1kea - Member

I've got more road wheels than bikes, and that's not including the C/F bling jobbies for TTing.

Got a pair of D/A 7850 CL24s for my 'best' road bike and they've been very nice 8).

My 2004 Campag Zondas are still soldiering on nicely though the bearings need some TLC. - Campag make some nice wheels.

Went off Mavic three years ago when an Aksium rear did what DezB's did. Replaced it under warranty and that one went in the same fashion

Never tried tubless (road or MTB) though I really can't see the point for road tyres. And this from someone who has 6 C/F tub wheels and was so happy that he managed to fit a Conti tub in (a clocked) 10 minutes.

(For those that don't know, Conti tubs are infamous for being utter utter utter gits to fit).

Posted 10 months ago #
DezB - Member

Aksium rear did what DezB's did

Odd that, cos an Aksium is being used as a spare now, it's about 3 years old and has had a lot of use!

Posted 10 months ago #
epicsteve - Member

I'd be thinking RS80's or American Classics.

Posted 10 months ago #
buffalobill - Member

I was looking at a pair of American Classics the other day. Rutland are doing a pair of Sprint 350s for £350.

Posted 10 months ago #
yossarian - Member

Having gone away and looked around and stuff, I can't really see past the RS80's in terms of weight and overall vfm. I found the debate about tubeless on the road an interesting one, although why do folk feel the need to get so angry about a **** tyre???? Anyway it seems to me that the fact that there is so much debate as to the relative merits of going tubeless on the road versus practically universal acceptance of off road tubeless benefits that it's probably not for me just yet.

Cheers all

Posted 10 months ago #
epicsteve - Member

although why do folk feel the need to get so angry about a **** tyre?

It happens when someone blows a lot of cash on something new and realise deep down that it was a pointless waste of money but try hard to justify it to themselves and others. Mac owners are in a similar situation and you see the same sort of behaviour from them.

Posted 10 months ago #
davidtaylforth - Member

Haha, epicsteve hits the nail on the head.

Posted 10 months ago #
Adders69 - Member

I've found this debate to be quite interesting, but emotion definitely outweighs facts ... which is less that helpful in making a decision regarding tubeless for the road.

Was really hoping to be better informed by the end of the tread than I was at the beginning, having suffered three punctures in the last two outing - and getting really pee'd off about it. Run tubeless MTB which has been absolutely faultless - was rather hoping that tubeless was viable for the road too ... but none the wiser

Posted 10 months ago #
m1kea - Member

Re tubless;

I'm too old to learn new tricks and the requirements for going tubeless just seem to be too much effort for, IMO, negligible gain.

Interesting that folk seem to have a lot of punctures. My last clincher puncture was IIRC 2009, and that's including probably 1000+ miles of off roading.........

Posted 10 months ago #
winterfold - Member

Ive got R3s and they are nice very strong fast light-ish pimp wheels with great hubs which are very well sealed

I have hit some serious potholes on descents and it takes a life threatening impact to get them out of true.

But the thing I didn't know when I got them was the absence of rim tape means they are a bitch if you need to replace a spoke nipple. You need some special tools and patience. Sods law dictates the spoke nipple that rounds off will be the one furthest from the valve hole and therefore most time consuming to replace.

As they are alloy nipples they are very soft and easy to round off - so you learn to file the nipple down so you can get a smaller key on it.

Pity cos great wheels - steel nipples would only be a few gm heavier and would make them cheaper

For that reason I would not get them again - I would go with something more conventional like Easton or DT Swiss.

Posted 10 months ago #