I had the original shimano flats, they were great in the wet, reasonable grip, but as above fell apart quickly, tried on the new AM7 the other day, but didn’t like the double flap thing and it seemed too small when I actually put my foot in, only the edge of the velcro catching. My last shoes were the vxi’s, good grip, reasonably shower proof, still had days where my feet would be saturated, the sole fell apart in about 18 months, just bought the sam hill’s, haven’t worn them yet, they look massive compared to what I remember, having a pair of the old impact sponges, they also seem really heavy, but I remember them having great grip, we will see…