You can’t go wrong with either, both look good on paper and in the flesh. I have Grails, they look nice, reasonable weight and seem be holding up well so far. If you can find one much cheaper than the other that would sway it for me.
Happybiker, there seems to be a couple of places listing 430g, but most sites say 450-460g (same as Grails). Have they changed over time\batches?. I remember H+Son doing this on the Archetypes, a later version was beefed up a bit. Might help sway it a bit if they’re that much lighter.
bob_summers – Member
Grails came on my GT Grade, front one has gone back as it rattles. I assume it’s the pin that joins the rim, doesn’t manifest itself until the tyre is pumped up. Would be very annoying if you’d just built it into a wheel.
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Rattle noise in rim
You may have a loose weld sleeve. This is used in the weld process as a heat sink. It is crimped into place with a dimple in the material being visible at the weld junction. Occasionally the crimp does not hold and the plate comes loose. It is not a structural element of the rim so the best solution is to remove the rim tape and apply a little non-water based glue between the weld plate and the rim. Tubular cement or super glue will do the job. All rim makers use a weld plate and run into this situation on occasion. Please call NoTubes if you need yellow tape to reapply to the rim or if you are not comfortable gluing the weld plate on your own.