http://www.sonyalooney.com/single-post/2016/12/13/That-Thing-I-Never-Mentioned
seems legit

I’ll settle for being slow, but with the added benefit of a Bacon Butty après ride…

Afraid I like the taste of £5 notes too much so will have to stick to my carnivorous ways.

Person who spends lot of time and effort to manage what they eat finds they are eating better. What a revelation.

There are loads of people at my work who haven’t been sick in years and they’re not vegan, some even smoke and drink!…while your immune system can be improved with diet equally as important is simple hydration, getting enough sleep and the luck of how strong the immune system you were born with is going to be.

Ditto you can find plenty of meat eaters who are athletic and/or endurance world champions in their particular discipline.

The article reads that one man converted to veganism and is now world champion….it doesn’t mean we should all do it, apparently Usain Bolt is partial to fast food, but he is a genetic freak and aspiring 100m runners shouldn’t follow his example….in short we’re all different and while some will find a vegan diet an improvement for their health and performance others will not, the trick (as its ever been) is finding what works for you.

Had this chat with my wife last night. Her business Christmas dinner yesterday and of the 9 no shows, 7 are vegitarians. Makes you think

Her business Christmas dinner yesterday and of the 9 no shows, 7 are vegitarians. Makes you think

Dried up turkey is bad enough, they were probably just desperate to avoid the nut cutlet veggie alternative!

I’m reminded that the current round-the-world record holder, Mike Hall, ate extensively from McDonald’s on his journey.

As a long term muesli weaver I would agree it’s more to do with thinking about what you eat than what you eat. Once you have to read a menu before sitting in a restaurant, it bleeds into the rest of your eating and you tend to make better choices almost as a by product – plus most veggie options tend to be reasonably good for you and quite filling anyway.

Had this chat with my wife last night. Her business Christmas dinner yesterday and of the 9 no shows, 7 are vegitarians. Makes you think

Probably too anaemic to walk that far 😀

I was going to say I’d probably eat more veggy food if I lived in the US based on their more unpleasant farming techniques than are allowed here, but she’s straying into loony (!) territory there with all the won’t get cancer and can reverse diseases if you’re vegan stuff…

There are loads of people at my work who haven’t been sick in years and they’re not vegan, some even smoke and drink!…while your immune system can be improved with diet equally as important is simple hydration, getting enough sleep and the luck of how strong the immune system you were born with is going to be. not having kids

fixed that for you…

I’m reminded that the current round-the-world record holder, Mike Hall, ate extensively from McDonald’s on his journey.

Don’t think he frequented many McDonald’s

There are loads of people at my work who haven’t been sick in years

Everyone I’ve ever know claim they “never get ill” has, at some point, been ill in my prescence. It doesn’t change their view.

#postfactnobbers

Vegan for 1.5 years now. I’m 33. Yes it can be hard to eat out etc. But energy levels are better. Never feel sluggish after meals. I’ve always been one of the quicker ones in my riding groups.Now my buddies keep scratching their heads as to why I’ve left them for dust up every climb. I keep telling them its the VE’GUNS’!

At first I did it for health reasons. I figured although I was in great shape, my fuelling was awful. Changed to Vegan after deciding I needed a strict set of rules to follow that would force me to eat better. A year in and I feel sick at the thought of eating meat and eggs. I guess as a vegan people send you shit loads of links to videos you should watch etc. After a while I have begun to understand how cruel we are to cows, sheep, chickens , fish etc.
If I’m In a situation where there is only a veg option I will eat something with milk/cheese but avoid it where I can.
I recently had a health screening test done where I was hooked up to a machine that measured muscle, fat, water as part of a package at a very posh hotel that the mrs gets free holidays at ( marbella club) . The doctor was in awe at my results. Apparently I have the biological age of 19. Now I cant say that In 1.5 years I have suddenly reversed the ageing process. But the doc said I was the best he’d ever seen in terms of percentage of real age.

This video about a 78 year old body builder. It was the one that tipped me over the edge to try it. The guy looks about 50 max!

One thing I don’t do Is try to tell my friends and family they must be vegan. It’s a massive decision.

I do get ill. I’ve had minor colds. But they seem to only last a day or so which is great. My skin is better( always suffered from Eczema) and my blocked nose has all but disappeared. I was told many time by allergists and health professionals that dairy was not good for sinus problems and damn they were very right!

my fuelling was awful. Changed to Vegan after deciding I needed a strict set of rules to follow that would force me to eat better.

this is the thing though, you’ve not just replaced the meat in your diet with another protein source or whatever, you’ve changed other aspects of it too?

You can eat meat as part of a good healthy diet too.

been ill in my prescence

Rough christmas 🙂

Been vegan for 4 years, I’m 61 and will have clocked 20,000 km on Strava this year – previously I ate chicken and fish. I feel better now than I have for decades. I too don’t push veganism on anyone as it’s their choice, and it’s not just what they eat, it’s a lifestyle change. 80% of my food intake is carbs; protein is not required in the doses people ram into their bodies (1 gram of protein for every Kg of body weight is sufficient) and fats are kept to a maximum of 10%. My blood tests have been better in the last 4 years with cholesterol levels dropping below 5 for the first time ever. From kids we’re weaned onto cows milk and meat – they’re not ntural foods for human consumption and probably cause a lot of the ‘unknown’ problems and allergies that humans suffer from

Yes you are correct. My diet is better because I don’t eat meat, or animal products.

I still am partial to smashing a whole packet of ginger biscuits in the evening though!

I know many athletes are meat eaters. I guess this is because it’s what is considered normal.

I also know a growing number are now turning to the darkside of Vegan! Smoking used to be considered normal.

Never feel sluggish after meals.

Clearly not eating enough.

Have to take issue with the comment above about being weaned onto cows milk and meat. I agree with the milk part, no chimp ever thought it would be a good idea to milk a cow, but we’re omnivores we are designed to eat meat.

Also agree about the vegan bashing. Wife is semi-vegan and a friend is a full vegan. The amount of posts on Facebook about bacon sandwiches are bonkers. Live and let live I say. From an ecological point of view veganism makes a lot of sense, if you ignore soya or just don’t consume it.

Being exposed to veganism via proxy it’s surprising how many animal products or by products are in everyday food.

I think all diets can be balanced. Unfortunately as soon as you tell someone you are vegan they start getting all defensive or even concerned for you.

I agree that you can include meat in a healthy way. I know that those that live in countries that eat a lot of fish such as Iceland have very good diets.

I just believe that veganism is even healthier. And also a lot more sustainable for the planet. And a lot less cruel. Maybe I’m wrong. I could be.

I used to love a good steak and chips or lamb rogan josh by the way.

but we’re omnivores we are designed to eat meat

I’d have to ask where you got this information @jeffl

Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

wife is semi vegan

Can I ask what that means?

Thanks

Can I ask what that means?

Likes to talk about being vegan, but isn’t actually vegan.

Burnaby, your biological ‘facts’ will be dissected later when I have some time

Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.

Taken from the ‘vegetarian resource group’….this is pretty basic stuff and has been put to bed many times, most non biased dieticians and nutritionists advocate a balanced diet, not an extreme diet in one direction or the other.

….humans have the necessary teeth to eat meat with our canine teeth and the necessary enzymes in our gut to digest it, you’ll find people pass more undigested grain, seed, fruit and veg than meat in their poop.
As the quote from the vegetarian group states, by all means do it for health reasons but don’t try to justify it by talking nonsense about how we’re not omnivorous by nature.

I also had bloods, ECGs and a scan done earlier this year and had low cholesterol, no hypertension and the scan revealed absolutely zero calcification of my coronary arteries….and I’m a big meat eater here.

If you want to talk about the benefits of a vegan diet (for you) then fair enough and if you want to switch to veganism due to the treatment of animals then fair enough (i couldn’t care less, we’re top of the food tree and I think it’s fine to farm and kill animals) but don’t go against what is accepted fact about humans being omnivores to support your lifestyle change.
As one specialist in the field put it: if you can pick it or kill it you can eat it.

….it’s the unnatural processing of food that tends to be harmful and rids the food of many nutrients and often adds artificial substances that we’d never knowingly eat.

The fad with that Huel shakes rubbish that vegans seem to be turning to for their vitamins and protein is a classic example, it’s got stabilizers, emulsifiers, sweeteners and other crap I wouldn’t choose to eat, you’d be better off staying with meat if that’s someone’s idea of veganism!….not to mention the processing the raw ingredients have to go through in order to get it in powder form and stable enough to sit on the kitchen shelf for months on end.

I respect any vegan’s choice re. animal cruelty or trying to sort out skin conditions, sinus problems etc (by the way this doesn’t make a vegan diet magic it simply means you were allergic to something before that you simply no longer have, much like changing washing powder to clear up skin conditions)….just don’t try to tell me it’s unnatural to eat meat when we’re equipped to do so as loads of scientific research will tell you….and even the bloody vegetarian society concedes that we’re omnivorous by nature!

I have never knowingly eaten meat or fish, haven’t drunk for 20 years and I’m slow AF.

I had a huge lamb shank for lunch (the literal, not the euphamic) and I reckon I’m not too shabby for my age, and (dare I say it) probably classed as a fast rider.

I don’t drink much, nor smoke, though…

I think paying attention to food is important.
That’s more likely in a restricted diet.
If you can eat anything, you’re more likely too..

However, I would agree (As devil advocate) that it does seem a vegan diet IS technically better for you.

DrP

I could probably give up meat but not fish… Plus I like leather shoes….. so I don’t think a Vegan diet would be for me….

The thing that gets me is the Vegans who took Scott Pilgrim too seriously.

Beer is my fitness/health downfall but drinking is sort of part and parcel with the job….

Edit oh god…. I forgot about clotted cream and ice cream! Nope I’m out.

Cheers, Steve

Meat eater here. Perfectly healthy in every way. Energy levels fine. Immune system strong as an Ox. I avoid processed food of any description as much as possible and eat foods from ‘decent sources’. There are bad meat diets as as well as bad veggie diets as well as bad vegan diets. Everything in moderation, and as natural and fresh as it can be. Veggies and vegans don’t have monopoly on health.

If you want to be veggie or vegan for whatever reason you feel then good on you. But don’t start to get on your high horse about being ‘healthier’. I know almost as many unhealthy veggies as unhealthy meat eaters.

And things like cancer are no more likely to be related to your diet as a mirriad of other potential influences. On my mothers side they’re all heavy smokers, but not one case of lung cancer amongst them, ever, and all live into their late 80’s or well into their 90’s and it is Alzheimers/dementia that gets them in the end.

having said that I think that us meat eaters probably would benefit from eating less meat. If you look in nature then meat eaters tent to gorge themselves on meat every now and again, maybe every 2 weeks or so and not eat it in between. Us Humans have got into the habit of eating meat every day, which is probably too much – its a very efficient food. I try to limit my meat dishes to four or so a week and have no issues with it.

Humans have done alright on meat. It was the switch from vegetarian to meat eaters that got us out of the trees and triggered a surge in evolution and in particular brain development. Less time forging on low efficient veggie foods to highly efficient meat meant we had more spare time to use our brains.

low efficient veggie foods

– where did that piece of knowledge come from? Also, have a read of this http://www.cancer.org/cancer/colonandrectumcancer/detailedguide/colorectal-cancer-risk-factors

Wobbliscott, think you might be doing to the vegans what they did to you further up the thread – the theory that we spent less time foraging for inefficient plant food gave us more time to use our brains is not science, it’s a theory and a bit half-cocked at that.
I agree with the above mind – we’re omnivores. For me, however our big brains got in our melons, we’re not using them if we carry on indiscriminately intensively farming. It looks to be unsustainable, even just looking at topsoil let alone the rest of it. We are top of the food chain, but we’re not honouring the food chain in terms of balance.
I definitely feel that eating almost exclusively vegan has helped me bike further and faster but as a few vegan athletes have suggested, that may well be to do with how much more efficiently the body can extract a number of different things we need from the same whole food source (rather than the crazy technically-vegan crap some people consume). Building muscle on my weakling frame had a part to play too mind…