Should be road legal ideally...Currently debating a Suzuki DRZ400E what are the alternatives? I'm not massively up to speed on motorbikes.
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Recommend me an Enduro/Off road Motorbike for Green lane winter fun
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whatever makes it most difficult for cyclists who want to ride the same stuff afterwards I guess?
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go for a 4stroke, with elecki start.
yam - wr426 /400, suzzi - dr400, ktm exc 450
or a kx500 for a laugh... having said that I had a KTM 200 exc for a few years... nice bike...
a fella in southerndownhill has a drz for sale at the mo.
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I'd just go for the most powerful, noisy thing you can lay your hands on. I believe the trick is to ride round slowly (because you can't really ride worth a wa*k) until you see someone else, at that point rev the thing as hard as you can, wheelspin and cover everyone in sh1te and or rocks ... the added bonus is that you'll also rip the trail up, making it a total mess for you and everyone else!
Loosing the ability to read a map and distinguish what are and aren't legal rights of way will also be an advantage.
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OHHHHHHHhhhhhh some harsh comments from the green eyed monsters :-p
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If you're going to race, a ktm 200 exc would be the ideal bike. If you want to potter around green lanes and do the odd Trail Bike Enduro Club event then a DRZ would do nicely.
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If you're an unskilled you'll want a bike you can foot (ie depending on your height check seat height/width so you can get a foot down to push/support etc and the more a bike is over the more it weighs) so this restricts choice - I'm very short, I loved dt175,Xr200/Beta Alp/serows aka xt225- low, underpowered, very high functionality, I loved my kdx200 then kdx220 was brilliant, much,much quicker, but I could only get one tiptoe down by sitting on edge of seat.
4st may be more beginner friendly (flatter power curve), a hot 4st can be an arse to start, (esp when knackered and I can assure you that dirt bike riding is harder then mountain biking)-ie leccy start
It is worth checking maps/ROW as it's now closed down to such an extent that I'd suggest it unviable in many areas.
Honda Xr, Yam WR, Suz DR350/DRZ. crm250 2t (also papmera 2t - trails)
Have fun - and you will on a dirt (motor) bike
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Not done any green laneing for about 5 years, so can only give my opinion from then.........1st bike, KLX 250 = underpowered, unreliable, uninspiring to ride. 2nd bike = Yam WR400, Overpowered, Poor (ba5tard to get it right) starting, bit heavy, stalled very easy when going slow, decent handling. 3rd bike, KTM EXC 520, Bloody Hell What a Beast, everything good appart from TOOOO MUCH POWER. 4th bike KTM EXC 400, WOW Perfect, Easy starting, both electric and kick, Power and delivery spot-on, 6spd which make a huge difference on the road bits, light for a 400, never stalled, could also do 90+ on forest tracks :wink:. Last bike, Honda CRF 250X, Very light, great handling, BUT..only 5 gears, no torque &and stalled too easy..............KTM EXC 400 By far the best.
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crikey, some hostile responses from wwaswas and still s8tannorm! Are you guys (tools) OK if I drive my car to work or fly to go on holiday?
Maybe I should point out that I'm currently trying to help the cops in South Wales pick off the illegal scramblers and 4x4ers who wreck the FC land and DH tracks here.
Anyway, I appreciate the useful feedback, I used to do a fair bit when I was younger growing up in West Wales so I hope I'm reasonably competent already! Good point about the leccy start, last thing I want is a kick start in 2 foot of mud I guess!
I'll check out all the recommendations...mmmm KTM...
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Some people just don't get it do they? A green lane is a legal vehicular access so why shouldn't someone ride a motorbike there?
Go ride your bike on a motorway and cry at all the fast cars
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sorry, I thought this thread on an MTB site was a troll so decided to see if I could 'out troll' the OP. It appears to have worked!
Anyway, seems I overestimated you MintyJim, please accept my apologies.
My view on green laning;
Just because you can ride a motorbike/bicycle/whatever somewhere doesn't mean you should. If it doesn't cause the next person along any problems then fine but my experience is that everywhere that 4x4's and motorbikes go offroad becomes imapssable to all other subsequent users.
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My view on green laning;
Just because you can ride a motorbike/bicycle/whatever somewhere doesn't mean you should.
Same could be said for riding a bike - it annoys walkers you know?Posted 1 year ago # -
Can't help but be surprised that any MTBers should be for "green laning", whether its cars or motorbikes. They f*&k up the trails, are noisy and shit for the environment. But then again STW should never surprise me!
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I think people need to remember that some people like to ride bikes for their own reasons and not everyone shares a common view on the environment.
Yes I like riding an MTB
Yes I like riding a road bike
Yes I like fast cars
Yes I like pratting around with motorbikes and 4x4s on green lanes
No I don't expect everyone else to feel the same as me
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m_f - I was referrign to damage to the actual scenery, not peoples feelings.
If someone wants to ride around the countryside on a motorbike then fair play to them.
If they churn up everywhere they ride so that it becomes impossible for all other user to follow then that's not good.
Same applies to horses, mtb's and cross bikes.
There's areas near me I avoid in the winter because I know that they get churned up by mtb's (and others).
As I said above - I had assumed it was a troll post and responded accrodingly. Anyway, I'm off to a ramblers forum to ask what mtb I should buy.
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Anyway, I'm off to a ramblers forum to ask what mtb I should buy.
EXACTLY what I was thinking !
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m_f - I was referrign to damage to the actual scenery, not peoples feelings.
But the point is that a green lane is a vehicular access so damage will be expected. There are many more bridleways MTBers can use if they don't like the damage. And where damage gets too severe the access is closed down anyway (like on Mastiles Lane for example).Riding in the NY Dales and Moors I often come across rutted lanes and I either ride around them or treat them as just another trail obstacle.
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I think we're not going to agree on the 'damage is to be expected and if it becomes impassable to everyone it gets shut' argument.
For that reason I'm out.
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Of course you're right M_F, but that doesn't mean we should approve of it.
For that reason...
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'damage is to be expected and if it becomes impassable to everyone it gets shut'
You twisted words there. Well done.Posted 1 year ago # -
not twisted, just summarised;
the point is that a green lane is a vehicular access so damage will be expected ... where damage gets too severe the access is closed down anyway (like on Mastiles Lane for example).
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Sorry was I not clear enough? The VEHICULAR access is closed down. So the damage can naturally repair.
It never becomes impassable to everyone (I said when damage becomes too severe) - have you ever not been able to get past a few ruts?
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get a Honda Xr or Suzi Dr. I ride my 990Adv on the occasional lane, but it's a bit of a beast if you drop it or need to push it.
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wwaswas - "Anyway, seems I overestimated you MintyJim" oh thanks! Shouldn't it be 'underestimated'?? Ah, whatever. I accept your apology!
In my defence I did post on the Chat Forum for advice.
Again, in my defence I only ever went on legal fireroads, greenlanes that are so full of mud and water that you cannot possibly cycle an MTB down them. I have been a mountain biker for 19 years or so I'm not riding a motorbike to fck it up for anyone else.
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I don't really get the anger.
Now I know 4x4 & MX bikes knacker green lanes but there are so few lanes they are able to go on now that it's half to be expected and if you don't like it avoid lanes and stick to bridleways.
Same goes for walkers, if you don't like the way bike and horses cock up bridleways stick to footpaths where you won't be sharing.
Live and let live
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Live and let live
Well said and pretty much sums it up in my view.Posted 1 year ago # -
listen here legal but more often than not antisocial
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As in every walk (or ride) of life, you get those who don't respect others. Your point being?
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As in every walk (or ride) of life, you get those who don't respect others. Your point being?
might be true but doesn't mean that it is acceptable
live and let live i guess means be tolerant of antisocial behaviour
and what is the point of that?
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live and let live i guess means be tolerant of antisocial behaviour
What is anti-social about people enjoying getting out and doing something they enjoy in a legal manner.It is only anti-social in your eyes because you don't like it. Just like the walkers who don't like you riding your bike where they are walking - to them YOU are anti-social.
Now had your point been about motorcyclists using bridleways or trail centres I would agree with you entirely, but they are riding in a 100% legal manner.
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wwaswas, still s8tannorm, antigee, DezB -
so its fine for you lot to ride your bikes, but others cant... the argument goes both ways.. everyone who uses the countryside damages it...
there are only 5000 odd miles of legal lanes left for greenlaners...
yes there are guys on MX'rs out there.. but there are inconsiderate MTB'ers too... i am not saying 2 wrongs make a right, just we all are out there having fun, legally.
antigee: live and let live i guess means be tolerant of antisocial behaviour
and what is the point of that?unreal... such a blinkerd view.
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What is anti-social about people enjoying getting out and doing something they enjoy in a legal manner
answer = noise level and excessive erosion
i keep being told that responsible offroaders hover silently in the countryside whilst doing ad hoc track maintenance but have yet to witness these angels of the lanes
as to making any comparison with mountain biking thats the same mistake that many landowners and objectors to mountain biking make - i suspect that those mountain bikers that feel the need to align with motorised off roaders are probably at the less responsible end of the spectrum
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i am amazed this isn't a troll
not even the winter part of the OP? come on! isn't?
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so its fine for you lot to ride your bikes, but others cant
fine without a motorunreal... such a blinkerd view
not sure - take for example sychronised swimming - i don't understand it, i think people that do it enjoy the challenge - but ultimately it harms no one elses day outlistening to off roaders gunning it along green lanes and causing considerable erosion has a negative impact on other peoples enjoyment of the countryside - thats not a blinkered view
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i suspect that those mountain bikers that feel the need to align with motorised off roaders are probably at the less responsible end of the spectrum
so now your saying if we like bikes and 4x4's we are irresponsible...
let me put this into context... I have been riding MTB's and racing for years... I have put a lot of time and effort into building and maintaining trails wherever I have lived... I have helped run clubs and events...
yer... really irresponsible...
I guess you have never ridden on a footpath...
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