[Closed] Private ownership of firearms

Do they eat the bear then?

Or is it merely a trophy?

we are animals thus we kill and eat other aniamls, like i say im three meals away from eating TJ

getting him to hump the thing is a step to far. 😯

Do they eat the bear then?

Or is it merely a trophy

who cares, why is a bare a more superior life form than a chicken?? never got that my self..

Jumpupand down - you really have no idea.

This springs to mind at the mo 😀

Of course they are captive bred birds on the whole. the pheasant will have been for sure.

Jumpupand down - you really have no idea.

jumpupanddown - Member

have you ever been in a abattoir??? make that look very pleasant mate...

TBH It's not actually anywhere on my list of things to do before I die 😉

Jumpupand down - you really have no idea.

sorry i forgot you know every thing there is to know, you are a fount of infantile knowledge .. a messiah of facts... superior to us mere mortals

jumpupanddown - that wasw in resposnse to this bit of bullshit

jumpupanddown -

TJ, you live in a town and have never killed and eaten some thing in whole life.. i suggest you try it.. its party of what it is to be human.

Actually I have. And Youdo have no idea at all.

However your unpleasant bloodlust is a fine example of what is so wrong with gun lovers.

And would it really be all that great a loss to the sport to use laser light instead?

However your unpleasant bloodlust is a fine example of what is so wrong with gun lovers.

god youre a wimp ant you...

I shoot because I enjoy it, to be honest I don't give a monkeys if they're cage reared or wild. I doubt I'm in the minority of those who shoot in that opinion. I'm realistic enough to know that numbers are kept artificially high so that I don't have to resort to shooting clay pigeons.

If I ever did think about giving up the shooting that I enjoy so much I can guarantee it won't be due to any of the opinions that I've seen voiced in the last 15 pages.

I won't go on about how much I enjoy killing and eating things. They taste great when you've put in some effort to kill it, clean it and cook it.

any way im off to torture some small furry animals..

TandemJeremy - Member
CFH round here the only thing not cage reared will be black grouse I think - everything else is cage reared and I am sure most of the birds you shot would have been as well.

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As to guns I think we should be allowed them as a basic human right,everyone who wants one, would kind of even things out a bit. Had a handgun on fac once, you had to jump through hoops for it and have regular inspections of where you kept it, and belong to a club and prove you used it regularly and with reasonable accuracy.

ooops

Definitely more futile than war.

A staggering stupid remark. The skill in firing a weapon is to take into account the trajectory (bullets do not fly in straight line)The time it takes to get to a moving target (the requirement to aim of or put another way in front). Wind speed and the case of snipper altitude (air pressure) There is zero skill in using a laser light everyone would get the same score maximum. You should stick to talking about things you know about and it is not weapons

I can repeatedly hit the centre of the bullseye from 100M, with a 6.5mm rifle. Repeatedly.

IE, I'm a better shot than you. 😛

I'm talking about target range sport shooting, not being a sniper or hunting in the wild. Anyway, I'm sure computer stuff could be utilised to simulate random gusts of wind and stuff. Works in COD.

[i]'Ooh look at me I know about weapons'[/i]

Ooh you're so butch....

i just bashed a bunnys brains out for fun...

I can repeatedly hit the centre of the bullseye from 100M, with a 6.5mm rifle. Repeatedly.

But thayn, roight, there's loik thiz

[i]'Ooh look at me I know about weapons'[/i]

Ooh you're so butch....

derek - so its a difference that up here they are in cages down south they are not.

still farmed birds tho not wild Ie rear a bird on a farm as a live target which was my point.

Still waiting to see details on this mythical cage reared red grouse shoot...

TJ = Racist

😉

[i]god youre a wimp ant you... [/i]

thats what i say to the pheasants just before i bravely blow their heads off wih my Benelli M4. But hey excuse to dress up in camo and hang out with butch men 🙄

thats what i say to the pheasants just before i bravely blow their heads off wih my Benelli M4. But hey excuse to dress up in camo and hang out with butch men

did the thought of doing that make you all sad.. if so then youre a wimp.. or being sarcastic if so lol 🙂

the bunny died in pain...

You lot are such a bunch of unbelievable cocks. I shall resume lurking and enjoying now. 🙂

Are you drunk?

Are you drunk?

yes and im also high..

Nope. Just amused at the endless tail chasing over semantics.

Most birds shot are cage reared and released just before the shoots.

Well I live surrounded by a number of estates which as well as mainly arable farms also raise game birds for shoots and I can assure you the damn things range free as they like although tubs of strategically placed feed seem to stop them straying too far-although not far enough to stop them trying to commit suicide in front of my car on a regular basis.

Although I don't understand anyone getting their jollies from shooting animals I would stop short of calling them violent fantasists and I wouldn't want to live in a world that denied them the right to do so whilst at the same time engaging in industrial scale slaughter of animals for food (and I like a bit of steak and if necessary would shoot a cow in order to eat some)

TJ the world is not black and white. There are shades of grey. Its not TJ's way or no way. I think if you realised that you'd probably be a happier person.

loum - Member
aracer, the evidence shows your assertion is fundamentally untrue.

What evidence? I see nothing in what you presented giving any figures on the number of people killed by legally held firearms in the UK, just lots of irrelevant stuff about what happens in the rest of the world. You did spot that the deaths in the UK (for all weapons, including illegal ones) were so small as to barely appear on the scale used?

You lot are such a bunch of unbelievable cocks.

Can you shoot those?

im now doing terrible things to the dead bunny

One of these [img] [/img]

or much more worringly one of these
[img] [/img]

🙂

Can you shoot those?

The believable ones are considerably rarer and are much better sport.

torminalisi that was not aimed at you

Up on the downs - it would appear its a regional thing - they certainly are cage reared here in large part. I have seen them in the cages. Howeve rhte point was they are not wild birds in the main - they are tame farmed birds

If I was any happier I would be delirious. I am a happy soul and I enjoy my life

Blimus - 15 pages of this 😯

I guess the only thing I have to say is that there was a tragic combination of alcohol, mental health problems, and an available weapon (and to be honest it could have been a knife or any other suitable implement) which has led to the terrible death of three women. Personally, I'm just sorry for such a loss of life, the sadness that must be now being felt by their family and friends, and the fear that must have been experienced by the other people there.

Anyway ... as you were ...

🙂 the first one, ive been using its eye socket

I'm now doing terrible things to the dead bunny

Do the terrible things involve sage and onion stuffing, a little bacon, some tin foil and a few sprigs of rosemary?

they certainly are cage reared here in large part

How long do you think a pheasant spends in the woods, after being released from the 'release pens', until the first day of shooting TJ?

go on, show me how much you know about the subject...

[You lot are such a bunch of unbelievable cocks (well informed know individuals. I shall resume lurking and enjoying now.]

+1

I believe that this thread has now reached the level of self perpetuating life form and will carry on unless put out of its misery.....

Christ. You go away for a few days and a thread like this happens. Tsk.

I can't be arsed to read it, but I bet I could précis it fairly accurately if I tried.

I might go and get a shotgun license just to piss a few people off.

See y'all in another 500 posts.......

Well I live surrounded by a number of estates which as well as mainly arable farms also raise game birds for shoots and I can assure you the damn things range free as they like although tubs of strategically placed feed seem to stop them straying too far-although not far enough to stop them trying to commit suicide in front of my car on a regular basis.

Me too, but the chicks they would have been kept in cages / pens (depending on which emotion needs to be evoked) to avoid them being eaten by non paying predators.
I think we can get into some silly semantics here though.
Are most pheasants captively bred in cages. Yes
Are most pheasants released from cages just before being shot. No.

1.2 The report will concentrate on pheasants, partridge and grouse, though
reference will be made to other sub-sectors or species. Grouse are not
held captive and are therefore considered to be wild birds, however
they are recognised as part of the UK game industry and are therefore
included in this report.

Sort of confirms what I was thinking. I'm pretty sure I've never seen cages for red grouse in my many travels around Scotland - including the hills backing onto my house.

Are most pheasants released from cages just before being shot. No.

more get run over/ never seen again/fox food. than ever get shot

For those who are pro shooting how far up the animal chain would you go before you thought it was unacceptable?
Pheasants and grouse ok as long as you eat them
Deer when numbers get too high for their and the environments benefit
What about bears asposted earlier?
And seals,buffalo ,dolphins whales,tigers and lions ,dogs,,monkeys cats etc?
I am interested in the rationalisation (as always) not out to score points

more get run over/ never seen again/fox food. than ever get shot

For those who are pro shooting how far up the animal chain would you go before you thought it was unacceptable?
Pheasants and grouse ok as long as you eat them
Deer when numbers get too high for their and the environments benefit
What about bears asposted earlier?
And seals,buffalo ,dolphins whales,tigers and lions ,dogs,,monkeys cats etc?
I am interested in the rationalisation (as always) not out to score points

oh prove that claim would you ...cheers

grew up with the ****ing things... lucky if 1 in 4 get shot

more get run over/ never seen again/fox food. than ever get shot

Yup, the local estate works on a rule of thumb that roughly 1/3 will be shot, 1/3 will die through predation / cars and 1/3 survive/escape till the following year.

Howeve rhte point was they are not wild birds in the main - they are tame farmed birds

oh prove that claim would you ...cheers

jumpupanddown - Member

For those who are pro shooting how far up the animal chain would you go before you thought it was unacceptable?
Pheasants and grouse ok as long as you eat them
Deer when numbers get too high for their and the environments benefit
What about bears asposted earlier?
And seals,buffalo ,dolphins whales,tigers and lions ,dogs,,monkeys cats etc?
I am interested in the rationalisation (as always) not out to score points

like i said im three meals away from eating anything, including TJ

A mung bean casserole would have more substance and would be a lot less messier 😉

yes you swayed me with the evidence of hearsay Thanks

i was hoping for an actual study - tbh I have no idea if that is true or not but I am intrigued. I do need some objective evidence/research just not what you think [ no offence]
Ta

aracer - Member

What evidence? I see nothing [s]in what you presented giving any figures on the number of people killed by legally held firearms in the UK, just lots of irrelevant stuff about what happens in the rest of the world. You did spot that the deaths in the UK (for all weapons, including illegal ones) were so small as to barely appear on the scale used?[/s] if I can chose to ignore it.

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A mung bean casserole would have more substance and would be a lot less messier

but substantially less fun.

Druidh I did not say that red grouse were in cages I said I thought black grouse were not cage reared - Obviously I should just have said grouse not cage reared. and that I had seen pheasants and another small bird.

Zulu is using the red grouse to try to avoid the main point which is that most birds shot are bred for shooting and are not wild.

Up in the lammermuirs I saw an active shoot and massive amounts of cages full of birds on the same day.

Zulu is using the reed grouse to try to avoid the main point which is that most birds shot are bred for shooting and are no wild

No no no. The main point is that some people enjoy shooting as a sport and they should not be deprived of their sport because one or two nutters go on the rampage with a legal weapon. WGAS about grouse?

I succumbed and looked back to see if it is still going----it certainly is, but seems to be losing some of it's steam and vitriol----of course it's almost midnight there in the UK--come on STW'ers, let's MTFU and keep this cranking along.

Don - the pheasant is not a native UK bird. And yes they are tame not wild. the pheasant especially

Jeebus, you can remember something that was written on STW more than two years ago, but you can't remember what you, yourself, wrote less than an hour ago?

TandemJeremy - Member
CFH round here the only thing not cage reared will be black grouse I think - everything else is cage reared

Don - the pheasant is not a native UK bird. And yes they are tame not wild. the pheasant especially

they are not ****ing tame, im high i take it youre tripping balls

Torminalis - Member

No no no. The main point is that some people enjoy shooting as a sport and they should not be deprived of their sport because one or two nutters go on the rampage with a legal weapon

Why not?

Yes druidh - hence the [i]I think[/i] and I forgot red grouse. I should have said grouse not black grouse. I am not denying I said that - but I did not mention red grouse at all. I simply forgot them

Why not?

i want to ban tandems my self.. no real reason. i just think im better than every ones else and that people should do what i say... id hate to be a patient of yours. i assumed youre a nurse correct me if im wrong.

And yes they are tame not wild. the pheasant especially

The main point is that some people enjoy shooting as a sport

Apologies if I have quoted you out of context but I am assuming you mean shooting living things. Shooting for food I get but shooting for fun, even if it's just a "stupid grouse" is something I don't get. To give guns to people who enjoy killing things for fun seems a bit absurd to me.

Yup - they are . I used to hand feed them, Tame and habituated to humans

Junkyard - Member
> more get run over/ never seen again/fox food than ever get shot
oh prove that claim would you ...cheers

[url= http://archive.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/food/industry/sectors/eggspoultry/documents/gamebirdindustry-study.pdf ]

2.8.3 It is understood that hatchability is around 75% for pheasant and
partridge eggs. Estimates suggest that around 5% of chicks die in the
first 2 weeks and a further 5% die prior to being placed in the release
pens. These figures can vary from year to year, and between estates,
in any given year. Weather conditions, bird health and egg hygiene will
all contribute to the variation.
2.8.4 The GFA estimate that around 5-10% of the birds placed into release
pens die between release and shooting. The GCT puts the figure
nearer 25%. Birds can perish from starvation, exposure, disease,
predation, natural causes or under the wheels of motor vehicles as
they begin to range further. Most of the predation of adult birds is by
foxes, but mink can be a problem in some parts of the country.
2.8.5 In a recent study, the GCT found that 16% of pheasants survived until after the shooting season.

they dont seem to get it that we think this is a bit odd...they like killing things and dont see this as bad ...most of see it as a necessity best avoided.

2.8.5 In a recent study, the GCT found that 16% of pheasants survived until after the shooting season.

bit wordy will read it tomorrow ta

Don Simon
Are the pheasants you are talking about the one-and-the-same ringed neck pheasants we have here in the US?

live and let live, we all might live longer that way

apart for the animals you enjoy killing

TandemJeremy - Member
derek - so its a difference that up here they are in cages down south they are not.

still farmed birds tho not wild Ie rear a bird on a farm as a live target which was my point.

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I never liked the idea of shooting birds just for fun, used to just shoot at targets when I was much younger, then the father in law ex military colonel needed help at his shoot or he'd lose his membership or something, persuaded me along with a bit of coaxing from swmbo to give it a go, turned out I was quite handy at it, not really proud tbh not my thing, but I did et what I killed or it went in the pot for the beaters. Then one ill fated day I shot a beater, long story, but suffice to say I've never picked up a gun since.
I'm not a fantasist but I'm not the biggest or hardest man on the block, not much good with a knife either, so would like to be armed in some way to protect my family, other than the forlorn hope that plods answer phone might be some help.

apart for the animals you enjoy killing

yep there just animals , get over it... thats why we have eyes in the front of our head, so we can judge how far away they are, thus making it easy to kill the ****ers

Why not?

For the same reasons that alcohol shouldn't be banned because some teenagers require stomach pumps or moutain biking shouldn't be banned because some people hurt themselves riding on bumpy trails.

There are endless types of people who do all sorts of things for pleasure. We all know you do not believe shooting to be a ligitimate pleasure but that does not diminish it, it just means that you don't want to do it. We can ban guns and mountain bikes as largely unnecesary and a bit dangerous but it won't make the world better.

It amazes me how much power the authoritarian left believe they should be able to exert over people.

busydog - Member

Don Simon
Are the pheasants you are talking about the one-and-the-same ringed neck pheasants we have here in the US?

I think so - we call it the common pheasant I believe - if not the very same bird then a close relative

TandemJeremy - Member
> live and let live, we all might live longer that way
apart for the animals you enjoy killing

To give guns to people who enjoy killing things for fun seems a bit absurd to me.

Do you eat meat?

Banning guns would make the world better tho - it would lead to less gun killings.

[quote=TJ]Druidh I did not say that red grouse were in cages I said I thought black grouse were not cage reared - Obviously I should just have said grouse not cage reared. and that I had seen pheasants and another small bird.

Zulu is using the red grouse to try to avoid the main point which is that most birds shot are bred for shooting and are not wild.

Except that, none of that was what you "actually" what you said was it TJ ?? 

What you said was:

[quote=TJ]

[b]most of the birds that are shot have been raised in cages and release shortly before they are shot.[/b]

Which was just something you made up because you saw a shoot, and some cages one the same day once.

Rather than listening to people who live on farms and estates, and shoot or run shoots all the time.

As always. You know better.

And change your story to suit whatever you have recently googled.

Go on then loum - what evidence in your post is it that I'm ignoring which gives numbers on how many people are killed in the UK by legally held firearms? You'd look a lot less stupid if you tried answering the point rather than just doing silly stuff with strikethrough.