[Closed] Overtaking.

This has nothing to do with my overtaking ability, it's about courtesy

I understand what you're saying. Though I would like to know how the discourteous driver is supposed to know you intend to overtake?

I'm assuming you haven't already got your indicator on at the point Mr. Discourteous overtakes.

So in his eyes, as he's had time to start his overtake, you haven't tried to, making you are just another slow moving vehicle. Like the one you are trying to pass.

Does anyone have an official reference to this "making good progress" requirement to drive at the speed limit.
New to me and would be dangerous on many NSL roads.
Is it actually just a bad interpretation of the driving test tick box for hesitancy and progress?

oh, and why will no-one think of the lorry driver(and his children) in all this ?
When you've all (assuming mol' gets out of the way eventually) overtaken him and then stop at some lights, he won't get through before they change back to red - and IT'S NOT FAIR 😥

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By and large people in this country don't overtake.

We are a nation of tailgaters.

So its reasonably safe to assume when I arrive at the back of a small queue that I will be the only one overtaking. However I would never overtake someone who is signalling to overtake. If someone has done this to molgrips then they are a dick. Although it would be nice if drivers of cars with glacial acceleration would check their mirrors before going for an overtake - but hey its not the end of the world if I have to wait until my next opportunity to overtake.

It might be possible that I have inadvertently "stolen" someone's go at overtaking in the past if so I apologise. Lacking either clairvoyance or precognition it is difficult to divine the future intentions of other drivers so I normally just get on with it.

Just because they're all more competent drivers than you and can judge the situation better doesn't make them all discourteous.

No it's really not the issue.

As has been covered, there are two reasons speedy man might pass me when I am behind the lorry.

a) he has a faster car - we've already established that this allows shorter spaces to be taken.
b) he's taking a greater risk.

Now, neither of those things give him the right to force me to wait longer than I would otherwise have waited had he not been there.

By and large people in this country don't overtake.

Not true at all, at least not where I drive. Maybe 80% of people in my experience will be wanting to pass a 40mph car or lorry.

[i]It might be possible that I have inadvertently "stolen" someone's go at overtaking in the past if so I apologise.[/i]

He said he was sorry, everyone.

Group hug now.
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[i]As has been covered, there are two reasons speedy man might pass me when I am behind the lorry.

a) he has a faster car - we've already established that this allows shorter spaces to be taken.
b) he's taking a greater risk.[/i]
c) he needs the loo
d) his dog needs the loo
e) hes late for lunch
f) he drives a van
g) he knows you are Molgrips

Oh, the list is endless....
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EDIT:
Like this thread.
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But you weren't going to overtake there, you were waiting hoping for a longer straight some unknown time in the future. Which they can't possibly be expected to know, they just see someone declining perfectly good overtaking opportunities, so to them you look like someone who doesn't want to overtake. And quite reasonably pass you.

F) he drives a van

was that for my benefit? 🙂

[i]sent from my Van (while doing 80 in a 50)[/i]

Which they can't possibly be expected to know, they just see someone declining perfectly good overtaking opportunities

If they weren't dicks, they'd realise that normal people in cars that are obvioulsy not fast shouldn't be taking on tiny spaces. I don't queue jump generally, only if someone is way back from the lorry and isn't closing up after corners, looking down the road, or doing anything else that might indicate that they plan to overtake. However I clearly AM planning to overtake, they just blast on by anyway.

Let's be honest here - the real reason people queue jump is because they can, and they don't give a shit about anyone else. Isn't it?

[i]was that for my benefit?[/i]

Just having a laugh Phil. None intended.
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thegreatape - exactly as I see it, but Molgrips still see's it as a direct attack upon him & that you have been discourteous...but if the roles were reversed apparently it is ok.

None taken. It made me laugh.

(For the record I own a van, nothing to do with my job. Happy to play to the stereotype though)

but if the roles were reversed apparently it is ok.

No

[i]Let's be honest here - the real reason people queue jump is because they can, and they don't give a shit about anyone else. Isn't it?[/i]

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At last, we have a winner, ladies and Gerbils. Obviously not a universal truth, but close enough.

Can we all go home now ?

Queue jump????
I thought we'd ascertained that if it looks like a line of cars meekly following a lorry, that it is a line of cars. If said cars pass up what appears to you, way back where, a plausible passing place, then have you "stolen" a turn, or did all of the vehicles ahead forfeit that turn?

the real reason people queue jump is because they can, and they don't give a shit about anyone else. Isn't it?

Yup.

* Goes home *

Can we all go home now ?

Can I wait till rush hour ? There'll be more people to overtake (in one maneuver)

[i]Can I wait till rush hour ? There'll be more people to overtake (in one maneuver)[/i]

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Maybe 80% of people in my experience will be wanting to pass a 40mph car or lorry.

I want to be an astronaut, I want to have a six pack, I want to wear Megan Fox as a hat etc. Doesn't mean any of it is going to happen.

Maybe I've not waited long enough in the the queue to see everyone realise their dreams of performing an overtake and all this happens behind me? Maybe everyone but me is clairvoyant and they all know I want to overtake and they let me go first and that's why everyone sits in the queue when a mile long straight opens up before them.

If that's the case then let me be the first to thank all the courteous clairvoyant drivers out there.

Come to think of it some drivers being able to divine the future would make a lot of sense. Middle lane drivers aren't lazy muppets, instead they can actually see that in the future some sort of natural disaster is gong to obliterate the inside lane, so they avoid it at all costs

This thread

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Phil.w - watch out for Mols

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...& Mr Speedy
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[i]This thread[/i]

Is that a Marathon snake ?

[i]then have you "stolen" a turn, or did all of the vehicles ahead forfeit that turn?[/i]

Oh, brilliant. We're taking turns now. Unless you've been sent to Jail.
In which case you do not pass go or the vehicle waaay up there in front.
And you do not collect £200.

Anyway, none of this would be possible, without the god particle.

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May I ask then...

You are behind the lorry, wishing to overtake when a suitable opportunity for [i]you[/i] to do so presents itself.

You reach a stretch of road that you deem unsuitable for you to pass the lorry, so you don't (which is obviously sensible driving).

Your objection seems to be that 'speedy man' passes you at this point, scuppering your chances of an overtake when a longer straight occurs in the future because he is now in front of you.

What I'm wondering is, at the point in the scenario outlined above, what are you doing that makes it clear to 'speedy man' that you are intending to overtake the lorry at some point in the future [i](However I clearly AM planning to overtake)[/i] that he ignores?

Given that you have opted not to overtake at this point, I assume you aren't indicating to do so. So what are you doing that shows you are 'clearly planning to overtake' further on despite having no intention of doing so there?

I should have put inverted comma's... "turn"

Mols ponders the meaning of life, fairness & courtesy whilst simultaneously determining...is there enough road to safely overtake?
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Perhaps this is the problem
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What, the driver sitting in the passenger seat reading a text instead of driving?

What I'm wondering is, at the point in the scenario outlined above, what are you doing that makes it clear to 'speedy man' that you are intending to overtake the lorry at some point in the future

In the situation where I am first in line behind the lorry, I am doing the usual things like looking down the road etc.

In the situation where I am second, then I am not doing anything. Unless the car in front is very obviously not trying to overtake, and is 20m or mor eback at all times.

People queue jump regardless of who's obviously looking to overtake.

Some no doubt do. Others simply see cars ahead that show no signs of wishing to overtake, declining opportunities to do so, and decide, perfectly reasonably, that they will. This is not rude or discourteous, but does seem to be what you're objecting to.

I.N.R.A.T.S.
However, when i learnt to drive and took my test i learnt all about "mirror, signal, manoeuvre" and how it applies to almost any situation while driving. By a process of elimination, if your not indicating so far as im concerned your not about to carry out the manoeuvre. There is also a clear element of common sense, road sense and caution that should also be shown but if im behind a couple of slow moving vehicles i will try to read where he is positioned on the road and give the car in front of me the opportunity to over take, then ill overtake them both if there is space to do so. If someone overtakes me and pulls in front of me in the queue then so what. I'd have looked in my mirrors if i was contemplating the overtake anyway so i would have known they were there. I might utter something under my breath but hey ho. Although if you cant clear the whole queue then suck it up buttercup, you should really be waiting.

So not doing anything tells the cars behind that you would actually like to overtake, that you can't right now, but may wish to do so later & that they should wait until you've decided you can, at some point in the future, conclude an overtake..although not necessarily on that particular journey.
Great, glad we cleared that up, seems really obvious now you've explained it. All vehicles following another vehicle may want to overtake in future, but not right now, unless they're well back from the vehicle ahead, which either indicate their unwillingness to overtake or that they have dropped back from a large vehicle to improve line of sight in anticipation of an overtake.
So does that make it ok for the vehicle that does intend to overtake now & has room to do so, to complete their overtake manoeuvre?

In the situation where I am first in line behind the lorry, I am doing the usual things like looking down the road etc.

In the situation where I am second, then I am not doing anything.

Pray tell how the driver behind can tell that you're looking to overtake? Can he see the front of your eyes from behind perhaps? You've just admitted that if you're in second place then you're not doing anything, so that makes a speedy driver overtake from behind whilst your in second okay then doesn't it?

In the situation where I am second, then I am not doing anything. Unless the car in front is very obviously not trying to overtake, and is 20m or moreback at all times.

As 40mph is just over 17mps, the recommended 2 second rule would leave a distance of 35meters, or nearly double what you are implying is hanging back and not overtaking, I would say not only do you not know how to overtake by being able to increase your speed ready to pull put, but also you tailgate. Putting it bluntly, you drive like Miss Daisy and get into a rage when the entire rest of the world doesn't fit into your preconceived ideas of fairness and right. If NO ONE else agrees with you, there's just a chance you're not right...

I was here last weekend

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Pretty isn't it.

Big queue of 30+ cars, moving at between 35 and 40mph No one was overtaking. If I had waited for everyone to take their "turn" I'd only just have got to Crianlarich by now.

you drive like Miss Daisy

I don't. You've got absolutey no idea based on this stupid thread, because you're not really understanding what I'm saying.

At least, if by 'driving like Miss Daisy' you mean slowly. Miss Daisy didn't drive in the play afaik.

I was here last weekend

Hope you waved at my house then

Hope you waved at my house then

Lucky man!

Can't grumble...

richmtb - Member

I was here last weekend

Pretty isn't it.

Big queue of 30+ cars, moving at between 35 and 40mph No one was overtaking. If I had waited for everyone to take their "turn" I'd only just have got to Crianlarich by now.

Whenever I've driven across Rannoch Moor I too have taken the opportunity to pass looooooooooong columns of vehicles. Look out for Stags, though.

[i]Look out for Stags, though.[/i]

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Overheating at inopportune moments

[i]Overheating at inopportune moments[/i]

Would that be while considering overtaking, or while executing said overtake ? We need to know this.

Molgrips' Commute:
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As 40mph is just over 17mps, the recommended 2 second rule would leave a distance of 35meters, or nearly double what you are implying is hanging back and not overtaking…

Solo - Member

Overheating at inopportune moments

Would that be while considering overtaking, or while executing said overtake ? We need to know this

The time between the STW post, the request being sent to the chap in front (by use of semaphore), and the response being received and confirmed is particularly awkward.