yes they are a nice bikes. I am not a hater; I just think that they are over priced. Especially seeing the quality control procedures. Still I gues an item is worth what people will pay for them so I can't really say that they are over priced. I just don't think they are worth the price.
Bike Forum
MTBcut - Orange Bikes factory tour
-
Posted 3 months ago #
-
Sorry but bending things that are not square is bad engineering not good engineering. The fact you have to pay over the odds for this shows what a bunch of plonkers orange owners are.
que? I'm sure if square sections were better they'd use them, But you'd end up with massivey over built bottom brackets and underbuilt headtubes.
Posted 3 months ago # -
by square i mean 'in-line' or 'plumb' or within tolerance. you know one drop out being square with the other. sorry for ambiguity.
Posted 3 months ago # -
Still not entirely sure what you mean? The folds run from headtube to BB pretty straight and the overall shape is a fairly rectangular crossection, if it were any more rectangular the sides would become big flat sheets which in turn wouldnt be stiff?
Pretty much anything welded is going to be out of alignment to some degree, whether thats a thin aluminium tube on a bike or a presure vessel on a refinery. Trek admitted to having big problems welding up the session 88 frames as they couldn't get the alignment between headtube and seatube right to within 0.5deg.
Posted 3 months ago # -
the drop outs were not in line in two directions. hence the man had to bend the bike with a big bar followed by a hammer. what is not to understand. yes heating metal causes miss alignment but there are ways around this. I am sure that trek don't pay some bloke to bend the out of line bits with a leather hammer and bar.
They pay some small Taiwanese child peanuts to do it (bend the miss aligned frames that is).
Posted 3 months ago # -
They pay some small Taiwanese child peanuts to do it (bend the miss aligned frames that is).
So it's gone from orange doing it wrong to everyone (well, at least Orange and Trek anyway) doing it wrong, with knowlage like that you should be in consulting.
Quite fancy a Five now........
Posted 3 months ago # -
i am an engineering consultant
Posted 3 months ago # -
^^^ not really
Posted 3 months ago # -
That vid worked for me. Never really wanted an Orange before but kinda do now, not sure if it was the high tech manufacturing, comedy accents or famous Yorkshire sense of humour which swung it. When's the 29er coming out, lend us £3k.
Posted 3 months ago # -
alex222 - Member
i am an engineering consultantPosted 14 minutes ago # Report-Postalex222 - Member
^^^ not reallyI was about to make the same joke, then remembered I actualy am an engineer, just dont get to weld anything or play arround with hammers.
Posted 3 months ago # -
We have the same cnc punch & bender. That vid is a terrible advert for UK engineering, it plays on a very outdated but somehow romantic idea that the public have.
Posted 3 months ago # -
I did think if it is that easy to bend the frame straight with that bar, then its only going to take one slightly bad landing from a jump and that rear end is going to be out a few degrees, which put me off them a bit. Actually seeing the bending machine bit put me off a bit too. And how the little floppy bits of aluminium end up being so expensive...
Posted 3 months ago # -
Big Jim I think they are tweaked with the bar and hammer before they are sent for heat treating, so should come back stiffer.
Posted 3 months ago # -
i am an engineer. just not an engineering consultant. however engineers tend not to get their hands dirty; that be the job of welders, setters operators etc. probably far more skillful in real terms. considering I am currently sat engineering at my desk.
Posted 3 months ago # -
Could be worse, I'm sat here checking datasheets (yawn)
What Rob said is right, they come back a fair bit stiffer and stronger, which is why they have to be spot on before they go, afterwards the alignment will be checked, but I presume it's just a check as there's not much you could do that wouldn't weaken it once it's been treated.
Posted 3 months ago # -
Love the frame "alignment" kit
Posted 3 months ago # -
We have the same cnc punch & bender. That vid is a terrible advert for UK engineering, it plays on a very outdated but somehow romantic idea that the public have.
this was my point exactly. though i was not so eloquent.
Posted 3 months ago # -
I'm not an engineer and have little knowledge of the field, but recently on attending a job at a metal fabricators I commented on the cleanliness of the workshop, the answer was "not enough real work to do, so i get the lads to clean and paint everything to keep em busy between jobs". A dirty workshop is a working work shop.
Also, last time I was at Orange HQ I felt very much like I was back in IT. It's like any other normal office, only with pictures of steve peat and an unused landing area full of really nice old bikes.
Posted 3 months ago # -
I should have said engineering & manufacturing as I too am sat here engineering at my desk though I do spend a good while each day on the shop floor.
Our workshop is clean and we've just had to take on another one to keep up with orders. A dirty workshop is a busy one my arse.
Posted 3 months ago # -
some dont get it .. theres Yarkshire and somewhere spelt differently.. Bransley.. maybe if its raining.. harrogate.. no.. scarborough deffo.. york.. NO.. skipton getting warm.. cleckhuddersfax (the western fringes are okay) Todmorden.. yes just because them lankys want it.. Hull your aving a laugh..
put simply for them from sheffield..so anywhere south of m62... east of m1.. little hope, north of a65 dead cert and anywhere where you cant see sheep or hills higher than your house.. dream on.
Orange should scrap the citrus logo and adopt a white rose.. a proper one not one like the cricket clubs that looks like it has wilted.. infact to celebrate independence day they should do a special fred trueman model..
Posted 3 months ago # -
He definitely wanted XTR didn't he?
Posted 3 months ago # -
They should call it the Whippet
Posted 3 months ago # -
Interesting contrast to the Hope factory tour...
Posted 3 months ago # -
what on earth are you saying total shell? are you saying that if its not in the triangle you described its not Yorkshire? excluding Skipton, Barnsley and Scarborough?
Or are yo saying if you live in those areas the engineering techniques shown in the video are considered cutting edge?
Posted 3 months ago # -
Image sells.
Good on them both, Guy and Orange, for doing what they're doing. The perfect marriage. Orange had to put something like this out to strengthen the brand (Orange probably lives on it's brand more than most) and quieten all the people asking about far eastern manufacturing practices.
Met Guy and chatted at length at the Ulster in 08, proper lad. What he does isn't fake it's just a winning formula that shouldn't be changed no matter how much it earns him and his peeps. Who would change it?
Posted 3 months ago # -
The fact that he does the little Irish road races
Posted 3 months ago # -
"Wonder if he paid for his Soul for that matter?"
He bought it.
The Scott with the Pink decals also bought from Freetown Sports in Hull and he built it up himself.
Posted 3 months ago # -
i'm saying plenty of folk living/ born in yorkshire might living under an illusion that its all one place.. its like footy theres your non league Selby.. div 2 scotch corner div 1 bratfud premier league hebby bridge thens theres your top 4 that always will be top dogs. all the rest fill at your lesure.. why do the cricket team insist on playing in Leeds..
Posted 3 months ago # -
Having watched the vid, and being very invlolved with engineering and production, I'd love to get stuck into the Orange facilities!
The only bloke on there who I was impressed with was the bike builder at the end. I'd still have a 5 though, built up for bigger, alps type work (uplift style). It's about the limit of my brave before anything more I have is a complete waste of bike.
Oh, and I miss the days of pin ups around the place - none allowed any more in case they upset the female staff / visitors / cleaners.... Shame.Posted 3 months ago # -
Orange don't try and baffle you with ******** words like monocoque
I learnt the word monocoque from Orange in the early 90s.. In fact I thought they had invented it..
did they invent it..?
Posted 3 months ago # -
No Orange did not invent the world monocoque
! It's french init. It basically means "single piece" - mono - single, coque means shell or hull (of a boat).Great fun video, perfect match the "hand built in Halifax" tag line. You can compare that to the Hope factory tour and say Orange looks old school but that's what they wanted.
Posted 3 months ago # -
i'm saying plenty of folk living/ born in yorkshire might living under an illusion that its all one place.. its like footy theres your non league Selby.. div 2 scotch corner div 1 bratfud premier league hebby bridge thens theres your top 4 that always will be top dogs. all the rest fill at your lesure.. why do the cricket team insist on playing in Leeds..
and your point being?
Posted 3 months ago # -
Oh dear. Do I have to sell my R8 because I'm from York, which apparently isn't in Yorkshire?
Posted 3 months ago # -
Didn't monocoque used to mean that the skin was pre-stressed before being stuck/welded/etc?
Posted 3 months ago # -
isnt the name of the vid "it is what it is"
Posted 3 months ago #
Reply »
You must log in to post.
