I still feel that this post will be a waste of time, but after being stalked online to an extent that some of my friends have been effected by this, and talking to them, they have convinced me I have to try.
I was using the avids when I saw the XT brakes on rose bikes for sale, and I'd be kinda wanting to switch over to shimano for a while, as they seemed really good, where as avids can be a bit annoying to bleed and such. I asked around on here and was told I could get anywhere from £140-160 for my elixirs, so as the XTs were only £130 or so, it seemed like a brilliant time to switch over.
So I stuck up a quick advert for the elixirs to gauge interest (hence why I didn't bother putting my own pictures up), and ordered the XTs. I got tons of interest, loads of people emailing me, asking for pics and more info, which of course I provided. This indicated to me that I had the pricing right, and that they'd sell, although no deal came to light straight away (people wanted to trade stuff, people didn't have the money at that very moment, found better deals, alternative products, changed their mind about what colourway they wanted on their bike, etc. etc. - you all know how it is).
I just copied and pasted the advert and popped it back up, or linked to it. This was lazy, I admit, and when I realised there was a lot of interest, I should have added more information, looked over the brakes better, and put the pictures on the advert as well. But I didn't think, everyone so far understood perfectly, so I just didn't realise at the time. This was during the time of the first exams I had that actually counted towards my degree (bloody hard ones too), and the start of a new relationship, plus a lot of training and coaching going on as well, so I did have a lot of other stuff on my mind. I'm only human, despite what you may have heard.
So anyway, Jimmy gets hold of me, expresses interest in the brakes, asks me tons of questions, we go through loads of negotiation, and eventually settle on a deal. Everyone is happy. I never realised that he'd never asked for pictures, which I will state right now I think is stupid. I'd been in contact with a lot of people at that time, sending pictures out to all, and I just didn't realise he hadn't asked for them.
So I send him the brakes, he receives them, and all is fine - except for one thing. I'd cocked up completely, and forgotten to put the bolts in. He emails me - I remember him being quite angry, so I post them off the next day, with a little free gift to apologize (just some energy drink things).
A little while later, he really kicks off, telling me the brakes are absolutely destroyed, he says they've looked like they've done a season in the Alps, and are absolutely battered. His words. Now this to me sounds stupid, so I ask for pictures, as I know the brakes, I packaged them, to the best of my knowledge, they were fine.
So he sends me some pretty vague and blurry pictures, which I did study, and could honestly see nothing in almost all of them. However, in one, there was a scratch to the underside of a calliper, which I missed, an honest mistake. He said he thought the damage meant the brakes were only worth so much, so despite the fact I thought he was clutching for straws trying to get a bit of money off me, I offered him a partial refund of the amount he thought he had over paid. So at this moment I was still in full contact with him, despite the fact he was getting a bit offensive at this time. We were negotiating, eventually yes, I probably would have caved and offered him a refund for the brakes, as I had made a mistake.
I did not receive a reply for my partial refund offer. Instead, he went on the forum, and did his best to destroy my reputation on here.
He then proceeded to send me threatening and insulting emails. I can tell you, it's not nice opening up your email every day to find new threats and insults. After a week or two these stopped. I guess he got bored. I did email him to say if he apologized to me and asked the mods to remove the threads that we could resume negotiations and discuss refunds, but received no reply.
He also posted personal information of mine on the forum, and then stalked me online to the point where pictures of my friends were being posted online. Which is just f***ing weird.
The people I've talked about this with - people on here, my friends, my Dad, my girlfriend, and so on - they agree that I was backed into a corner by someone behaving like a complete prick.
If you give someone negative feedback on ebay you don't still expect a refund. And he did his best to do a lot worse then any negative feedback. As far as I can tell, he wants to destroy me (melodramatic, maybe a little) and have me pay him to do it. Which I'm just not going to let him do.
One of the most annoying things is I came so close to starting a thread before he did, because of how he was behaving, and I wanted some advice on how to handle it. I didn't start a thread because I don't think you should name and shame people while they're still in contact with you trying to sort out the problem at hand. I just wouldn't sink that low. Would have been interesting to see how different things would have been on here.
Would I sell to him again? Dear god no.
Will people buy off and sell to me again? Yes, they already have done.
I reckon most of you are somewhat aware that I'm not an idiot, and that if I was going to rip someone off, I wouldn't use my main account, or one of my main emails.
It's surprisingly easy to judge someone you've never met. I probably haven't included everything in this post that I meant to, and I may add to this thread later, but for now, I have to go plan a session for tonight, as I do volunteer coaching at a disabled sports club every week (in between ripping people off for small amounts of money, apparently).
I'm not quite sure if this thread is just going to full of reasonable responses or badly spelt insults in capital letters, so for the rational and literate who would like a discussion that doesn't get interrupted, please feel free to email me.
hmmmbeee at fsmail dot net
If you would like to talk in person, include a phone number, and if I have time and think it worth it, I will call you, but I will with-hold my number, for obvious reasons.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Oh yes, one last thing. I hear he couldn't get the brakes to work. Now to hear this, not through the buyer, but through a mate who got stalked by the buyer, is one thing. But 2 months after the sale is another. And I may have missed a scratch, but the brakes worked perfectly. I felt sad when I packaged the brakes up to be posted because they were so awesome.
Well realman - we all saw the pictures as well and they were clearly not as described.
You have ripped him off and should be ashamed. all you had to do was refund him
refund him please.
This made me chuckle on Harry's sandwich thread yesterday...
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RealMan - Member
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i don't understand why you wouldn't just refund him and sell them to some one else? either you or he loose out on postage, split it even, but i bet it's no less than a fiver.
It was you hanging on to the money and refusing to refund that was the issue in my opinion.
We all have differing ideas over what is mint condition etc. sometimes we have to agree to disagree etc.
This is the problem. From your original Ad
Used, but very very good condition, don't think they have any marks or real signs of wear on them anywhere. Also got spare pads, and maybe rotors. Bled and working perfectly.
We all saw the pics mate and the goods were not as described. We all make mistakes and even if you didnt see the marks prior to removing and packaging them, You should have offered a FULL refund IMHO.
There's always two sides to a story.
He didn't give me a chance to offer a refund. He said he thought the brakes were only worth so much, which to me was him hinting he wanted a partial refund. So I offered him a partial refund, and got toasted on the forum. Was I meant to say thank you and offer him a load of money after that?
We all saw the pics mate and the goods were not as described.
I'm wondering if he showed you guys different pictures to the ones he showed me.
Had you offered a full refund when you originally found out you had made a mistake non of this would have happened.
thats what real men do
very very good condition, don't think they have any marks or real signs of wear on them anywhere
FLICKR.COM Getting into the minute detail about what was going on in your life, all your great volunteer work, correspondence etc etc etc isn't really useful.
There was a straightforward course of action: buyer not statisfied > goods returned > given refund > you resell the goods > both you and jimmy only mildly unhappy.
I have no idea why you didn't choose this course of action initally, as it was clear from the outset that this would cause you the least hassle (putting aside any issues about them not being as described, communciation via the forum etc)
How have your friends been affected by this?
If you give someone negative feedback on ebay you don't still expect a refund.
this is bollocks, so you treat someone like shit, and because they tell you that you have, you don't have to rectify it. grow up.refund the man, you've had plenty of time
Then post up these threatening emails if you think he's been unreasonable.
I missed out on this, so maybe some impartial advice:
[b][u]You're wasting your time. Pony up a full refund and ask for your brakes back nicely.[/u][/b]
I've got loads of stuff I'm 'too busy' to sort, clean, and advertise [u]properly[/u]. So it just depreciates in value in my garage. That's life.
3.BP.BLOGSPOT.COM Yes, different pictures. The ones I got were blurry and showed pretty much nothing.
Those ones show the scratch on the calliper I was made aware of, but I hadn't seen the scratch on the lever body before. Although I still think the pictures of the blades show nothing, they look fine to me, but then
We all have differing ideas over what is mint condition etc. sometimes we have to agree to disagree etc.
Like I have said several times, I probably would have offered him a full refund had he not done what he did. And I gave him chances to take it back, and he chose to ignore me. What more could I do?
Just refund him. It's really, really simple especially to a bright student like you. Regardless of jimmys personality, give him his money back. You have stated that you'll have no problem selling the brakes on so why create the hassle for yourself? This won't stop.
Your explanations here are at odds with your posts on the original thread to say the least.
Send jimmy an email, offer to refund him on receipt of the brakes.
Will people buy off and sell to me again? Yes, they already have done.
Oh really? What have you sold?
I'm wondering if he showed you guys different pictures to the ones he showed me.
Are the pics in Stoners link different brakes? If not then you really should refund as they look battered, not to your description at all IMO
To resolve this now and stop the threads;
call jimmy
get him to return them
refund him
thats all you need to do...then this stupidity ends PLEASE! 😳
Those pictures were posted in the original thread.
Dear Realman
This is really simple SO LISTEN UP
You sold a pair of brakes to someone that weren't in the condition that you said they were.
Regardless of how pissed off he was or how mch you didn't like the tone of his emails, you could, and should, have taken control and given him a full refund.
In public.
If you'd done that, you'd have left this all behind by now.
With an enhanced repuation rather than a damaged one.
You are pretty young yeah?
IT SHOWS
how stupid would jimmy have looked in the original post if you had gone, "yeah, but i've offered you a refund on receipt". No more drama.
I can't believe you are now inferring this is a mix up as you have never seen these pics, that were posted in the original thread. You are digging a deeper hole for yourself. Unreal, man.
dude, some of us do have sympathy for your side of things, these lot are like some mental ex's but please just sort the refund then it WILL stop
or the sympathy will quickly run out!
I can't believe you are now inferring this is a mix up as you have never seen these pics, that were posted in the original thread. You are digging a deeper hole for yourself. Unreal, man.
As I said, I never followed that thread.
[b]We are judged in life, not by the mistakes we make, but how we go about rectifying them. [/b]
Your call. I know what I'd do.
I did email him to say if he apologized to me and asked the mods to remove the threads that we could resume negotiations and discuss refunds, but received no reply.
?????
As I said, I never followed that thread.
NO ONE is going to believe this.
I know what I'd do.
Mend the broken brakes using the power of your mind?
I'm not sure that a lot of the "love" that you are feeling isn't to do with your "RealMan" username. Could you please confirm it is meant to be ironic? Your posting style in the past suggests you believe your own hype and the "RealMan" thing is for real. The apparent reality (skinny little student, leg-shaver, lycra-boy, "What should I do Daddy?") seems rather distant to the on-line persona you project.
The way I read the OP is that the first half is a long winded excuse as to why he mis-represented the brakes, and the second half as saying that he's not talking to Jimmy any more until he apologises.
The cause of this whole affair is the mis-representation of the brakes. Anything subsequent doesn't change that.
NO ONE is going to believe this.
That doesn't stop it from being true. I really didn't.
I'm not sure that a lot of the "love" that you are feeling isn't to do with your "RealMan" username. Could you please confirm it is meant to be ironic?
Yes, I can confirm this. Although it is very amusing how many people get their panties in a twist over it and misinterpret it time and time again.
wrong forum.
FFS, this is simple. Just sort the refund. Never mind whether you think you're right and that Jimmy is a crook or vice versa, just do it.
Sometimes you just have to take a hit, dry your eyes and put stuff down to experience. All you're doing at the moment is continuing to convince everyone that you're a little whining con artist.
I have nothing really to add to this, but thought people might like a picture of a kitten I found.
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I smell guano.
finally.
The thing is Realman, you won't be allowed to move on from this until you fix it. And there seems to be a myriad of reasons why you didn't offer a refund, none of which change the fact you should have. Do yourself a favour, sell the xt's and refund Jimmy for the Avid's. If they were so awesome and the damage has been exagerated, surely it's no great loss to go back to using them. I for one would forget the past if you try to make amends.
that's was well timed, i meant finally we have a cat. but i'm pleased for you too sbz.
YGM
The hammering that RealMan has had and continues to get on here (and apparently elsewhere) has gone beyond reasonable. Yes he misrepresented the item either deliberately or accidentally but the character assassination that has taken place since is way out of proportion.
Can we not just let it go and move on.
Give the refund.
But the online stalking/hassling of mates etc is not on and is rather sad, bordering on completely w@nky.
Mend the broken brakes using the power of your mind?
'Tis the solution. Pass me my wizards hat.
But the online stalking/hassling of mates etc is not on and is rather sad, bordering on completely w@nky.
Exactly, which is why I want to know why people think it's not reasonable to expect an apology and for the crap to be removed?
It seems like I can't state it enough. If he apologizes, and asks the mods to remove all the crap, especially the personal details, then I will offer him a refund.
Then everyone wins. What's so wrong about that?
This is depressing, I wish the mods would do something about it. Come on mods, engage!
Not condoning his actions at all, but RealMan has been judged by the mob. His reputation on here is irretrievably damaged. The more he protests, the more he reinforces the mob judgement. The rights and wrongs are irrelevant, the true story is irrelevant, enough people have made their minds up that there is now no way back. Even if he does pay the money back he's annoyed enough people that he'll probably never live this episode down. Put this thread out of its misery, get in touch with the two protagonists and bang their stupid **** heads together.
[quote=Realman]As I said, I never followed that thread.
He he, of course you didn't 🙄
If you had even the slightest [b]scrap[/b] of credibility left, you just lost it with that complete bollx.
Over and out.
Can we all club together to lend Realman the cash to repay Jimmy? If he's genuine, we all will get paid back, if he's a crook, then we each only get low exposure to the debt.
I'll start with a fiver. What's your paypal Realman?
Realman - can you explain one thing to us all? Why don't you just give a refund? Pride?
Not condoning his actions at all, but RealMan has been judged by the mob. His reputation on here is irretrievably damaged. The more he protests, the more he reinforces the mob judgement.
He could, at any time (on this thread even) offer to make a full refund. This minute.
My guess is that 90% of posters would then lay off him.
It's all down to [i]his[/i] actions, not those of anyone else.
Realman... You are the seller. Your customer is upset and not happy... You have his money.... Refund him and get your brakes back.
Yours,
Singletrack
I agree that some of what Realman alleges is bordering on harassment here people. Doesn't change the fact that I think he should (and still could) offer a full refund but two wrongs don't make a right.
The hammering that RealMan has had and continues to get on here (and apparently elsewhere) has gone beyond reasonable. Yes he misrepresented the item either deliberately or accidentally but the character assassination that has taken place since is way out of proportion.Can we not just let it go and move on.
this and if i am honest if something from here had begun to impact on my private life and left me as a forum outcast I think diping into my pocket to rectify would not be high on my list of choices as to how to deal with this
The hammering that RealMan has had and continues to get on here (and apparently elsewhere) has gone beyond reasonable.
Everyone (ie the usual suspects) are prejudging that the buyer is being 100% open and truthful, clear bullying and intimidation of RM, it happens more than the self appointed forum cops would like you to realise.
Once "they" make up their minds it's pretty much game over I'm afraid 🙁
Realman... You are the seller. Your customer is upset and not happy... You have his money.... Refund him and get your brakes back.Yours,
Singletrack
you've been told littleman
Not condoning his actions at all, but RealMan has been judged by the mob. His reputation on here is irretrievably damaged. The more he protests, the more he reinforces the mob judgement. The rights and wrongs are irrelevant, the true story is irrelevant, enough people have made their minds up that there is now no way back. Even if he does pay the money back he's annoyed enough people that he'll probably never live this episode down. Put this thread out of its misery, get in touch with the two protagonists and bang their stupid **** heads together.
Thank you. For someone I've never met and don't know at all (so I'm guessing you don't know me either), you are incredibly in touch with what's actually happened to me. I was judged before I got a word in, and this will never quite disappear, no matter what I do. Even to offer a refund is I'm sure, to some people, a sign of guilt. From the moment he started that thread, I had lost, and I knew it. It's the reason I didn't bother following it, it was futile to argue, and all I'd get was insulted.
If you had even the slightest scrap of credibility left, you just lost it with that complete bollx.
Which of course makes that rather ironic.
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You Have Been Judged by the Inteweb.
The Interweb lasts forever ....
not being funny but if jimmy isnt responding to emails then it must be a bit difficult to try and sort out refunds properly. also, the stalking thing is messed up.
i think both parties are at fault here now. so apologies both sides, money refunded, chalk it up to experience and move on.
Oh bugger I never bothered reading the first thread...linky anyone?
Oh and salvage some respect pal and refund without further delay.
diping into my pocket to rectify would not be high on my list of choices as to how to deal with this
Which is a pretty shortsighted way to look at it, when paying the money back would make the situation so much better.
Realman - can you explain one thing to us all? Why don't you just give a refund? Pride?
He hinted for a partial refund, so that's what I offered him to begin with. I don't sell stuff for fun and games, I do it for money, if he was happy with a partial refund, it's easier and better for both of us. Isn't that obvious?
Also everyone keeps saying that I should offer a refund.
I HAVE. QUITE A FEW TIMES.
Getting a little bit frustrated here, feel like I'm talking to a wall or something.
It seems like I can't state it enough. If he apologizes, and asks the mods to remove all the crap, especially the personal details, then I will offer him a refund.Then everyone wins. What's so wrong about that?
Sometimes you have to make the first move because it's just the right thing to do
Regardless of what others do...
Realman - read the post a few above from Mark.
From the moment he started that thread, I had lost, and I knew it. It's the reason I didn't bother following it, it was futile to argue, and all I'd get was insulted.
On the contrary - it would have been extremely easy to come out of that thread looking really good, and making jimmy look rather silly. All it required was for you to swallow your pride and offer a refund...
Did you not offer him a £10 refund for his silence?
Personally I find that more offensive
Also everyone keeps saying that I should offer a refund.I HAVE. QUITE A FEW TIMES.
Really? A no strings attached refund as opposed to a "if he apologises" refund?
eventually yes, I probably would have caved and offered him a refund for the brakes
[quote=Realman]Which of course makes that rather ironic.
I'm not sure "ironic" means what you think it means.
Getting a little bit frustrated here, feel like I'm talking to a wall or something.
Are you really this stubborn in real life?
Make this first move, refund his money
Stop being a child
TJ, this?
Can we all club together to lend Realman the cash to repay Jimmy? If he's genuine, we all will get paid back, if he's a crook, then we each only get low exposure to the debt.I'll start with a fiver. What's your paypal Realman?
I've currently got enough to refund him. I don't need, nor will I ask, for anyone else's money.
The fact it's been like 2 months, and it sounds like he's broken the brakes in that time, means that a refund makes me the biggest loser by quite a large margin. Especially as my reputation has taken a hit it will never recover from.
I'm actually considering a large donation to STW, for them to do with as they please. Because I don't want to pay someone who has spent the last few months threatening, insulting, stalking, and lying about me, to send me a pair of brakes that no longer work. But I feel like I don't have much of a choice.
Also everyone keeps saying that I should offer a refund.I HAVE. QUITE A FEW TIMES.
Getting a little bit frustrated here, feel like I'm talking to a wall or something.
Just to be clear, you've offered him a [b]full[/b] refund, which he's refusing to take?
[b]JIMMY TO THE FORUM[/b]
Also everyone keeps saying that I should offer a refund.I HAVE. QUITE A FEW TIMES.
THREAD CLOSED - SORTED - FIXED - NOTHING TO SEE HERE - MOVE ALONG
Did you not offer him a £10 refund for his silence?
He said he was going to slander me all over the forum, so when I made my offer I said it was on the condition he didn't. And I actually offered him more then that.
Mark - Resident Grumpy
Realman... You are the seller. Your customer is upset and not happy... You have his money.... Refund him and get your brakes back.Yours,
Singletrack
Not interested in your side of the story, you had your chance on the last thread & blew it, refund required.
You obvious have the buyers address, send him a cheque, if you can't contact him via email.
I'm closing this thread now. There's nothing more to be added or gained from further discussion. Realman has an unhappy customer. He also has his money. The solution is simple and one that all sellers be they private or commercial need to respect - when a customer isn't happy with a transaction and swiftly asks for their money back - that's what they get.
Commercial sales have this enshrined in law. Distance selling regs are very simple indeed. If within 2 weeks of purchase you want a refund - you get one. End of. There doesn't even need to be a reason given. The only caveat is that the goods are returnd in the same condition they were received in.
Whatever the rights and wrongs on either side - however this has progressed since the transaction - no matter what was said between the two, publicly or privately - the situation hasn't changed from one of buyer not happy with sellers service.
Please don't start new threads on this issue - that's anyone and includes both buyer and seller. Ultimately it's an issue for you both to sort out between yourselves. So just do that.
I'm an arse when it comes to selling bits and knowing their exactt condition/past use etc. I was with you 100% until I saw the pics of the brakes.
If thats 'very very good condition' then i will make a mental note of never buying anything off you unless its factory sealed and is 'NEW'
Win some/lose some...