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But the online stalking/hassling of mates etc is not on and is rather sad, bordering on completely w@nky.
Exactly, which is why I want to know why people think it's not reasonable to expect an apology and for the crap to be removed?
It seems like I can't state it enough. If he apologizes, and asks the mods to remove all the crap, especially the personal details, then I will offer him a refund.
Then everyone wins. What's so wrong about that?
This is depressing, I wish the mods would do something about it. Come on mods, engage!
Not condoning his actions at all, but RealMan has been judged by the mob. His reputation on here is irretrievably damaged. The more he protests, the more he reinforces the mob judgement. The rights and wrongs are irrelevant, the true story is irrelevant, enough people have made their minds up that there is now no way back. Even if he does pay the money back he's annoyed enough people that he'll probably never live this episode down. Put this thread out of its misery, get in touch with the two protagonists and bang their stupid **** heads together.
[quote=Realman]As I said, I never followed that thread.
He he, of course you didn't 🙄
If you had even the slightest [b]scrap[/b] of credibility left, you just lost it with that complete bollx.
Over and out.
Can we all club together to lend Realman the cash to repay Jimmy? If he's genuine, we all will get paid back, if he's a crook, then we each only get low exposure to the debt.
I'll start with a fiver. What's your paypal Realman?
Realman - can you explain one thing to us all? Why don't you just give a refund? Pride?
Not condoning his actions at all, but RealMan has been judged by the mob. His reputation on here is irretrievably damaged. The more he protests, the more he reinforces the mob judgement.
He could, at any time (on this thread even) offer to make a full refund. This minute.
My guess is that 90% of posters would then lay off him.
It's all down to [i]his[/i] actions, not those of anyone else.
Realman... You are the seller. Your customer is upset and not happy... You have his money.... Refund him and get your brakes back.
Yours,
Singletrack
I agree that some of what Realman alleges is bordering on harassment here people. Doesn't change the fact that I think he should (and still could) offer a full refund but two wrongs don't make a right.
The hammering that RealMan has had and continues to get on here (and apparently elsewhere) has gone beyond reasonable. Yes he misrepresented the item either deliberately or accidentally but the character assassination that has taken place since is way out of proportion.Can we not just let it go and move on.
this and if i am honest if something from here had begun to impact on my private life and left me as a forum outcast I think diping into my pocket to rectify would not be high on my list of choices as to how to deal with this
The hammering that RealMan has had and continues to get on here (and apparently elsewhere) has gone beyond reasonable.
Everyone (ie the usual suspects) are prejudging that the buyer is being 100% open and truthful, clear bullying and intimidation of RM, it happens more than the self appointed forum cops would like you to realise.
Once "they" make up their minds it's pretty much game over I'm afraid 🙁
Realman... You are the seller. Your customer is upset and not happy... You have his money.... Refund him and get your brakes back.Yours,
Singletrack
you've been told littleman
Not condoning his actions at all, but RealMan has been judged by the mob. His reputation on here is irretrievably damaged. The more he protests, the more he reinforces the mob judgement. The rights and wrongs are irrelevant, the true story is irrelevant, enough people have made their minds up that there is now no way back. Even if he does pay the money back he's annoyed enough people that he'll probably never live this episode down. Put this thread out of its misery, get in touch with the two protagonists and bang their stupid **** heads together.
Thank you. For someone I've never met and don't know at all (so I'm guessing you don't know me either), you are incredibly in touch with what's actually happened to me. I was judged before I got a word in, and this will never quite disappear, no matter what I do. Even to offer a refund is I'm sure, to some people, a sign of guilt. From the moment he started that thread, I had lost, and I knew it. It's the reason I didn't bother following it, it was futile to argue, and all I'd get was insulted.
If you had even the slightest scrap of credibility left, you just lost it with that complete bollx.
Which of course makes that rather ironic.
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You Have Been Judged by the Inteweb.
The Interweb lasts forever ....
not being funny but if jimmy isnt responding to emails then it must be a bit difficult to try and sort out refunds properly. also, the stalking thing is messed up.
i think both parties are at fault here now. so apologies both sides, money refunded, chalk it up to experience and move on.
Oh bugger I never bothered reading the first thread...linky anyone?
Oh and salvage some respect pal and refund without further delay.
diping into my pocket to rectify would not be high on my list of choices as to how to deal with this
Which is a pretty shortsighted way to look at it, when paying the money back would make the situation so much better.
Realman - can you explain one thing to us all? Why don't you just give a refund? Pride?
He hinted for a partial refund, so that's what I offered him to begin with. I don't sell stuff for fun and games, I do it for money, if he was happy with a partial refund, it's easier and better for both of us. Isn't that obvious?
Also everyone keeps saying that I should offer a refund.
I HAVE. QUITE A FEW TIMES.
Getting a little bit frustrated here, feel like I'm talking to a wall or something.
It seems like I can't state it enough. If he apologizes, and asks the mods to remove all the crap, especially the personal details, then I will offer him a refund.Then everyone wins. What's so wrong about that?
Sometimes you have to make the first move because it's just the right thing to do
Regardless of what others do...
Realman - read the post a few above from Mark.
From the moment he started that thread, I had lost, and I knew it. It's the reason I didn't bother following it, it was futile to argue, and all I'd get was insulted.
On the contrary - it would have been extremely easy to come out of that thread looking really good, and making jimmy look rather silly. All it required was for you to swallow your pride and offer a refund...
Did you not offer him a £10 refund for his silence?
Personally I find that more offensive
Also everyone keeps saying that I should offer a refund.I HAVE. QUITE A FEW TIMES.
Really? A no strings attached refund as opposed to a "if he apologises" refund?
eventually yes, I probably would have caved and offered him a refund for the brakes
[quote=Realman]Which of course makes that rather ironic.
I'm not sure "ironic" means what you think it means.
Getting a little bit frustrated here, feel like I'm talking to a wall or something.
Are you really this stubborn in real life?
Make this first move, refund his money
Stop being a child
TJ, this?
Can we all club together to lend Realman the cash to repay Jimmy? If he's genuine, we all will get paid back, if he's a crook, then we each only get low exposure to the debt.I'll start with a fiver. What's your paypal Realman?
I've currently got enough to refund him. I don't need, nor will I ask, for anyone else's money.
The fact it's been like 2 months, and it sounds like he's broken the brakes in that time, means that a refund makes me the biggest loser by quite a large margin. Especially as my reputation has taken a hit it will never recover from.
I'm actually considering a large donation to STW, for them to do with as they please. Because I don't want to pay someone who has spent the last few months threatening, insulting, stalking, and lying about me, to send me a pair of brakes that no longer work. But I feel like I don't have much of a choice.
Also everyone keeps saying that I should offer a refund.I HAVE. QUITE A FEW TIMES.
Getting a little bit frustrated here, feel like I'm talking to a wall or something.
Just to be clear, you've offered him a [b]full[/b] refund, which he's refusing to take?
[b]JIMMY TO THE FORUM[/b]
Also everyone keeps saying that I should offer a refund.I HAVE. QUITE A FEW TIMES.
THREAD CLOSED - SORTED - FIXED - NOTHING TO SEE HERE - MOVE ALONG
Did you not offer him a £10 refund for his silence?
He said he was going to slander me all over the forum, so when I made my offer I said it was on the condition he didn't. And I actually offered him more then that.
Mark - Resident Grumpy
Realman... You are the seller. Your customer is upset and not happy... You have his money.... Refund him and get your brakes back.Yours,
Singletrack
Not interested in your side of the story, you had your chance on the last thread & blew it, refund required.
You obvious have the buyers address, send him a cheque, if you can't contact him via email.
I'm closing this thread now. There's nothing more to be added or gained from further discussion. Realman has an unhappy customer. He also has his money. The solution is simple and one that all sellers be they private or commercial need to respect - when a customer isn't happy with a transaction and swiftly asks for their money back - that's what they get.
Commercial sales have this enshrined in law. Distance selling regs are very simple indeed. If within 2 weeks of purchase you want a refund - you get one. End of. There doesn't even need to be a reason given. The only caveat is that the goods are returnd in the same condition they were received in.
Whatever the rights and wrongs on either side - however this has progressed since the transaction - no matter what was said between the two, publicly or privately - the situation hasn't changed from one of buyer not happy with sellers service.
Please don't start new threads on this issue - that's anyone and includes both buyer and seller. Ultimately it's an issue for you both to sort out between yourselves. So just do that.
I'm an arse when it comes to selling bits and knowing their exactt condition/past use etc. I was with you 100% until I saw the pics of the brakes.
If thats 'very very good condition' then i will make a mental note of never buying anything off you unless its factory sealed and is 'NEW'
Win some/lose some...