There is definitely and obvious connection between poverty and obesity,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and then there is Aberdeen 😯Currently working in "2 beemer country" (Horsham) and haven't seen as many obese people by a long shot....
As I understand it that is because both foods are insulogenic which will promote the storing, rather than the burning, of dietary fat.
While I'm sure that may be biologically true, I've personally never met anyone who got fat from just eating apples.
Currently working in "2 beemer country" (Horsham) and haven't seen as many obese people by a long shot....
That'll be the coke habits 😉
Eat less exercise moreit is not a complicated message
Its incredibly simple and speaking as someone who at various points has had to make a concious effort to increase my calorie intake to maintina weight its quite easy to achieve.
Those who overeat and refuse to take responsibility for their actions should be criticised however there are more forces at work on young minds and weight gain happens quite slowly and the cycles are difficult to break (speaking as a parent)
As someone said earlier our perceptions of what is a healthly weight or body size is skewed and reinfoced by the media.
Hhmmmm.
No mention yet of the evil Corporations who advise to decieve and indecisive Gov Depts, lobbied to take it easy with the legislation....
I sometimes sympathize with the lardies when I consider what they're going through. You have food and drink companies telling them that x, y, z are healthy and good, whispering in one ear.
You've got Gov looking to a medical community, for what the advise to the public [i]should[/i] be. However, that commuity do not appear to be able to agree on what the [i]message[/i] on nutrition should be. .
And in the confusion, people get fat and die young, the Corporations selling food and medical, getting rich.
Its chaos out there. I mean, look at this place. Even we don't agree on what is a [i]healthy[/i] diet and what is not.
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I've personally never met anyone who got fat from just eating apples.
you need to try the C's diet
Cider and Crumble 😉
I've personally never met anyone who got fat from just eating apples.
you need to try the C's diet
Cider and Crumble 😉
If you read what I posted, it said "[b]If you are trying to lose bodyfat[/b]". Obviously you are not going to get fat from eating apples. 🙄 It is advice for existing fatties only 😆While I'm sure that may be biologically true, I've personally never met anyone who got fat from just eating apples.
Do people need legislation to tell them to stop eating crap?
I went to the doctors today, most of the staff there were (at least) overweight and most of the doctors at that surgery are too. Fine example to be setting and I imagine it makes it very hard to Comment on a patients weight non?
Not really. The Dr isn't sending people to jail or calling them terrible human beings for being overweight.
He says "you are overweight". Which is a fact based on height/weight calculations. (BMI isn't great because of rugby players/body builders etc, but most people aren't either of these!)
He says "being overweight can be bad for your health" which is a fact based on decades of medical research.
He can then suggest changes to lifestyle that reduce the patient's health problems, or potential for problems.
If he's shouting "you're scum, fatty!" at them, then fair enough. But if it's kept factual and professional I don't see how anyone can complain.
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Hair splitter
It's not splitting hairs to suggest better rather than less. There's a big ol' difference.
As I understand it that is because both foods are insulogenic which will promote the storing, rather than the burning, of dietary fat.
Apples are a great source of pectin which is a soluble fibre. This slows down the processing of the fructose and as such apples promote very little insulin release.
Less means less claories which would be better
it a mute point but [b]better[/b] would have been a [b]less[/b] bad choice 😉
there is very little in it IMHO
there is very little in it IMHO
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
Meanwhile, someone on my facebook feed has just posted:
Pasty, chips, coke and cake at nans! Aahhhh don't get better than this! When u not feeling well u can always depend on a nan to look after you lol 🙂 xx
She's not overweight. Nor is her husband. Nor are her three kids. They don't appear to do much exercise either. 😕
Fair enough. An avacado would be better though 😀Apples are a great source of pectin which is a soluble fibre. This slows down the processing of the fructose and as such apples promote very little insulin release.
She's not overweight. Nor is her husband. Nor are her three kids. They don't appear to do much exercise either.
Is she thick though? 😉
You've got Gov looking to a medical community, for what the advise to the public should be. However, that commuity do not appear to be able to agree on what the message on nutrition should be. .
Worse than that, you've got the government looking to the food producers for their advice on how to promote healthy eating (ie. how to battle against the advertising and marketing of, oh hang on, the very same food producers), and ignoring the medical / research side of things. Now if that isn't a sick joke, I don't know what is.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01k0fs0
This slows down the processing of the fructose and as such apples promote very little insulin release.
Yes, but fructose promotes lipogensis.
[url= http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20823452 ]Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2010 Nov Dekker MJ, Su Q, Baker C, Rutledge AC, Adeli K.[/url]
Is she thick though?
She's friends with me, so possibly, yes.
[i]Eat [b]better[/b], exercise a bit. [/i]
Best post so far. (seriously)
Do we need to watch the corporations ?. Does anyone remember [i]that[/i] look on her face during this clip ?..
Start at 3:43, cos I'm crap at posting vids
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LMAO at 4:08, hesitation at trying to deny...
Presumably she also doesn't eat like that on a daily basis, which is why she thought it worthy of a FB post ie. naughty but nice and only occasionally!
This slows down the processing of the fructose and as such apples promote very little insulin release.
Oh dear god..........not again pleeeeeease 🙄Yes, but fructose promotes lipogensis.
but a [b]high[/b] fructose [b]diet may[/b] promotes lipogensis.
Eating your 5 a day is a long way from a high fructose diet.
Or would you promote not breathing as too much oxygen will kill you?
but fructose promotes lipogensis.
See.. I don't think stuff like this is helpful.
While it may be true, it just adds to the confusion about what is "good" or "bad" for you.
You don't get morbidly obese by having sub-optimal lipogenesis.
You get there by eating crap and lots of it.
Swapping chips for apples might not be the absolute scientifically best possible weight-for-weight, penny-for-penny swap - but I think most folk would agree it was a big step in the right direction.
[i]Swapping chips for apples might not be the absolute scientifically best possible weight-for-weight, penny-for-penny swap - but I think most folk would agree it was a step in the right direction. [/i]
I hope they're organic apples, free from those nasty pesticides, etc.
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Solo no one is forced to drink soft drink - i never do.
Again it is people looking for an excuse - it is someone else's fault they are like this- they drinks makers for example.
Now food manufacturers sure dont help but plenty of folk manage to live in the same world and not get fat so they are not the cause though they may exacerbate the problem.
Hmm... what if I swap local organic free-range FairTrade chips for intensively farmed genetically-modified apples... 😀
oops, deleted - read the post properly next time
You've got Gov looking to a medical community, for what the advise to the public should be. However, that commuity do not appear to be able to agree on what the message on nutrition should be
how about people take responsibility for themselves instead of being wetnursed through life?
people are quick to blame others for their own failings. if you are a pie eater it's not the fault of the government or the pie maker. it's you you fat c**t
JY.
My point with the Vid was to demonstrate how a company will squirm on the hook to deflect any attepmt to implicate them for their contribution to the issue.
You're correct, nobody is holding a gun to my head telling me to drink Tizer. But likewise, I can't get that woman ^^ to tell me that it contributes to the onset of obesity.
And as for just eating less and moving more.... Well genius 😛 , if its [i]that[/i] easy, why is excessive body weight even an issue ?.
I agree with Joe. Corporations are given a very wide range when communicating to the public in what they are allowed to tell us is [i]healthy[/i]. While Govs allow corps to [i]advise and self regulate[/i] then its buyer beware and shareholder gets the dividends.
[i]Hmm... what if I swap local organic free-range FairTrade chips for intensively farmed genetically-modified apples...[/i]
Sorry dude, but this is how you will turn out.
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if you are a pie eater it's not the fault of the government or the pie maker. it's you you fat c**t
Again, while true, if the piemaker has laced the pie with the food-additive equivalent of crack, and the government allows it, then it's not surprising that there is a problem and they do bear [i]some[/i] responsibility.
Sorry dude, but this is how you will turn out.
Dear God... I'll..wear lycra?
(And is that a rain cape)??
[i]And is that a rain cape[/i]
The latest in the Montane range, its water proof, breathable, wind proof, can bake you a cake, repair your puncture AND, packs down to the size of a pistachio nut. Heck, when it starts to rain, you'll have trouble even trying to find it. Ace !.
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its been going on for years.... as the older ones amongst us will remember...
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Is a purely speculative argument or has this ever actually happened?Again, while true, if the piemaker has laced the pie with the food-additive equivalent of crack, and the government allows it, then it's not surprising that there is a problem and they do bear some responsibility.
[i]Is a purely speculative argument or has this ever actually happened[/i]
Apparently, Coke added HFCS to the US product to save 30% over their sugar costs, but it didn't hurt that HFCS is sweeter than just plane ole sugar.
Lots of companies add sugar to increase consumption, hell, even fruit is grown to be sweeter.
Go figure.
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JUST SAY NO, ZAMO !
Is a purely speculative argument or has this ever actually happened?
It's more or less the argument put forward in that video about High Fructose Corn Syrup and other additives.
Apparently, Coke added HFCS to the US product to save 30% over their sugar costs, but it didn't hurt that HFCS is sweeter than just plane ole sugar.
YEah.. and they didn't just add enough HFCS to mimic the sweetness of the sugar it replaced, they actually added more to make it even sweeter.
JUST SAY NO, ZAMO !
Rooooowlaaaaand could have done with saying no too. Is he still a DJ in real life? Also, does Zammo still work in the key cutter in Soho?
I understand that HFCS is a big problem in the US thanks to government subsidies, etc, which is why it is all over the net, but is it a problem or even relevant here in the UK?
...but as HFCS is not used in UK supply chains, surely this is not even relevant to UK fatties?
Edit: Great minds, Zilog...great minds.
Can't be arsed reading the cake thread but my 2 cents are these:
1, firstly where I live it costs more to eat healthy... A salad will usually set me back more than a steak and chips.
2, when I worked with a lot of poor kids in my previous profession - they would all eat utter trash (I used to eat trash as a kid but no where near the amount these shovelled). Turns out kids from poorer homes don't value themselves as highly and eating good food isn't even on there radar.
I wouldn't judge the whole family too harshly but acceptance is the first part of recovery so maybe they'll lose some weigh... OR EAT CEEK
HCFS is not used in UK supply chains
Maybe not in Coke, but it is used in other stuff.
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/11/why-our-food-is-making-us-fat ]It's just called glucose-fructose syrup here.[/url]
