[Closed] "Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

As an outsider it strike me as offensive but also his right /free speech to say he supports them

I guess he also courts controversy as well as it pays the bills

Ta

For the record I do not think you are a racist and I accept I overstepped the mark in order to make my point re offence.
I apologise for this as it was unnecessary. I should have clarified and apologised earlier than I did/have.
Whilst I dont always get your views on the Burkha and other issues I do not think your motivation/reason is racism.
Sorry

In France there's a word "apologie" which doesn't mean apology it means excusing/justifying/supporting. So "apologie de crime de guerre" doesn't mean you feel sorry but that you speak out in favour of the war crimes. It's illegal in France in a number of contexts including apologie de crime antisémite et du terrorisme. A court will have to decide if Dieudonné's support for the guy who killed the Jews constitutes such a crime.

It would potentially be illegal in this country as well, under anti-terrorism legislation.

As an outsider it strike me as offensive but also his right /free speech to say he supports them

Personally, I find it utterly hilarious the dickhead got arrested. Like most of these types, they only support freedom of speech until that right is being exercised by a group of people they dislike, I'd get a similar laugh out of a far-right type getting done in similar circumstances.

"OK jive at what time did the French release the news ?
Not sure yet.".
So you made it up when you suggested an Israeli official was first? Even if true does that mean anything more that the Israeli embassy had an observer on site who unlike the French had nothing better to do than tweet?
"Anyway why were you first to circulate a forged BBC page when only the forgers or people close to them would even know it existed.
I wasn't...twitter is where I got the link" so you follow the fakers on twitter and trust them more than the Lamestreem media"

Doubt 1: The security cop who killed himself . very sad history of depression access to firearm very traumatic time previous traumatic experience . who honestly knows but suicide is a tad more plausible than random motiveless black opp
"but (I’m told) did phone one family member and “express concerns” about some of the stuff he’d seen." Told by who what concerns lots of dark hints to fantasise about but no actual logical scenario.

"Doubt 2:" made up fantasy based on what the author thinks a video of someone being shot would look like . the author clearly having no technical qualification .
"We’ve been told Ahmed Merabet died from that shot. He didn’t. " what is the basis for the assertion he didnt ?
"Do we have a body?" Yes and grieving relatives and a funeral to boot or are you sick enough to say they are actors
" Will there be an autopsy?" Probably .

"Doubt 3: Flak jackets on the roof." Or bodywarmers or usual anti terror police has the authur ever been to Paris last time I was there there were 3 man army teams patroling stations in combats with flack jackets and assault rifles.

"That too suggests pre-warning " utter rubbish UK police and even security guards wear stab vests that look exactly like flac jackets as a matter of routine

Doubt 4:"not even a martyr with an IQ in single figures would leave his identity card in the getaway car" the author is clearly thick one you need valid ID docs in France no martyr would want to blow his opp by having none or false docs spotted on a routine stop . martyrs want to be maytrs they have no worries about being identified and indeed every reason to seek to be named.

"Doubt 5:

At the risk of pressing a tad too hard on the sarcasm pedal, having terrorists under surveillance does not mean what the authur thinks it means from having watched some films. Often it is intermitent indeed mechanical rarely is it close observation which needs a significant team

"Doubt 6: No idea of the address, but fully briefed on it being weekly editorial meeting from 11am onwards" made up unless the author is in the terrorist cell and can say these things are true.

Turning this same coin over,= having your cake and eating it.

"Doubt 7: Mass rally of world ‘leaders’ in three days flat" either a few world leaders were able to make that rally at short notice by use of aeroplane s or the French rang up a few months ago and said we are thinking of staging a terrorist incident and want you to attend when is good for you? Let me chose which is credible.

I am sorry for posting this but I do find these conspiracy theory's offensive and disrespectful to the dead. The same theory's with almost the same facts have been asserted and demonstrated to be false in relation to previous incidents and it is more than noteworthy that they normally originate from the same groups .

[b]it is more than noteworthy that they normally originate from the same groups .[/b]

And the same person on here

Jive , and this is a serious question, what was the last major event that you thought was not a conspiracy.

this is the problem every single event is one

The facts are irrelevant they serve only to be manipulated and twisted to prove that whatever the event is it was a conspiracy as that is what you believe the moment you first hear the news on EVERYTHING

"OK jive at what time did the French release the news ?
Not sure yet.".
So you made it up when you suggested an Israeli official was first? Even if true does that mean anything more that the Israeli embassy had an observer on site who unlike the French had nothing better to do than tweet?

Have you provided any evidence to the contrary?

Nope

Lucky I'm good at getting to the bottom of things eh... [url= https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/553613842018611201 ]here is the original source[/url]

As regards the Flak jacket, judge for yourself:

or maybe the whole Weapons of Mass Destruction thing...

Thank you, Junkyard.

Edit: whilst some of Jive's points stretch the imagination the fact the killers turned up for the editorial meeting suggests they were being provided information by others and may have been acting on orders.

While jive does seem desperate to see the conspiracy in everything there is a pretty murky history of government agents/informers doing all sorts of shady stuff including acting as 'agent provocateurs' in numerous terrorist groups. This is fairly well documented.

Not saying that is the case here but to completely discount it as a possibility isn't being rational/skeptical.

So the French released it first.
No flack jacket s one possible body warmer
No missing frames .
No impossible speed.
Stand down all is not suspicious.

So the French released it first.
No flack jacket s one possible body warmer
No missing frames .
No impossible speed.
Stand down all is not suspicious.

Just popped that in Google translate and it came back as 'denial'

Barak Ravid=

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I'll let you do the research on that

The rest, everyone can judge for themselves...

Of course police and counter terror use under covers and agent provocatures and participating informants but it is a big leap from that to this and counterproductive . The whole point is to push them to commit than catch them interrogate and convict . not to let them win for no benefit.
Educator not hard to work out when a regular meeting fixed to a regular publication date would be . on the other hand they it may have just been a coincidence . a day earlier we may be wondering how they knew the time of the financial review meeting a day later how did they find out about Julie from accounts surprise retirement party.

Seriously if it was false flag tipped off how did the staff chose who was to escape on to the roof and who got to die?

Jive your own link says Hollande told the Israelis Holande is French you know.

Seriously if it was false flag tipped off how did the staff chose who was to escape on to the roof and who got to die?

Victims of false flags aren't tipped off: as the guardian link suggests real terror acts occur after patsies are brainwashed and armed.

It's dirty, it's wrong, it's horrific, but that doesn't mean it's not real...

Is that the case here?

No one can be sure at this stage, but given the number of pointers, further investigation is wise.

So who are the people evacuating on to the roof jive?
Name One single terror act from the guardian that actually went through to a incident where the terrorists struck.

I can't imagine for one minute why Israeli officials might be in close touch with French officials when the police are raiding a building to rescue Jewish hostages.

Tell me, would you be surprised to hear that it's not uncommon for police and special forces of various countries to train together and to have observers at major incidents? Well documented that SAS assisted in GSG9 rescue missions etc.

I've been providing answers the whole time crankboy, maybe it's your turn...

EDIT: Yes ninfan, it is indeed common for security services to work together, like the CIA and MI6 in the coup of Iran over oil prices, or like CIA/MI6/Saudi Collaboration on Operation Cyclone.

Perhaps you could provide some similar instances involving MOSSAD?

How many intelligence agencies worked together on founding the network surrounding Operation Gladio, I shudder to think...

What do you hope to achieve JHJ...?

there is a pretty murky history of government agents/informers doing all sorts of shady stuff including acting as 'agent provocateurs' in numerous terrorist groups. This is fairly well documented.

real terror acts occur after patsies are brainwashed and armed.

I wish you all the best in making Jive rational but these "debates" are pointless. Facts and reason dont sway him so I am not sure what you expect to happen here

a) Further investigation of anomalies, to ensure no foul play

b) Raise awareness of the dark acts carried out by Governments, so as to prevent the causes of terrorism in the 1st place

Seems a bit silly posting on a bike forum, I know, but beside those who actually post on the thread, there is doubtless many other observers.

OK... but how do you see your involvement making a real world difference? Practically speaking..?

How will you ensure no foul play for example?

the evangelical zeal and certainty of the righteous

STW can do many things end the causes of terrorism is not amongst them
Tragically naive and ,whilst I wish it would work, I had to laugh.

What do you hope to achieve JHJ...?

False flag operation.

STW can do many things end the causes of terrorism is not amongst them
Tragically naive and ,whilst I wish it would work, I had to laugh.

I can but try; been doing pretty well so far, even if I do say so myself 😉

Just need a bit more optimism Junky, we're getting there 😆

How will you ensure no foul play for example?

Six degrees of separation innit; people know people that know people etc...

1st step is getting things in the public consciousness, once people start talking about things, solutions can be found... a rider on here might be a butcher, but they know a journalist, who has the contacts, gets the scoop and essentially has me to thank

hooray!!

I can but try; been doing pretty well so far, even if I do say so myself

Not sure about that. What little I've read appears to be standard issue stuff.

Take a truth, mix with a half truth, and throw in some fantasy tosh. If the fantasy tosh gets questioned deflect with the truth element.

And if something gets well outed as utter pish, ignore and change the subject.

And if something gets well outed as utter pish, ignore and change the subject.

Apart from the fake BBC link, I'd like to to know what other utter pish I've supplied?

I've been providing answers the whole time

Is that the case here?

Nope you've just been peddling your usual epic waffle, changing the subject, positing ill judged supposition as fact and then leaving faux enigmatic rhetorical questions like, 'makes you think, doesn't it' all over the place like freshly delivered piles of cow excrement.

Still, it could just be aliens.

I can but try; been doing pretty well so far, even if I do say so myself

From all the stuff you have posted on here that isn't true,

That was the funniest.

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Your ability to asses reality, if that is what you think is happening here is tragically flawed

I'd like to to know what other utter pish I've supplied?

Here is the complete list

You are welcome 8)

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Meanwhile back to je suis Charlie

After Erdogan, Diuedonne....we now have Rousell

That entente was short lived and hardly cordiale!

JHJ - you obviously have an interest in geopolitics. Why are you surprised that intelligence agencies talk and act together?

We talk to our friends and spy on our enemies
We talk to our enemies and spy on our friends
Always have done, always will
Phone taps anyone?

From 3:30 onwards

My Spanish isn't what it was but it's clear here that the footage is just some crisis acting, and not very good acting at that. Smoke from a can in the copper's hand!

Yes, I would say most things that bring out the western scum leaders usually are false flags
-9/11 - you have to be an absolute moron to believe the official story (no offence to any morons here)
-7/7 - no way in hell those patsies could get across London in the time to be where they were supposed to - and I don't mean Greggs
-Sandy Hook - crisis actors all over the place
-Boston bombing - as above, pictures of fake blood etc.
All used to introduce mass surveillance we normally wouldn't entertain, further wars on the middle east, or in the last two cases push for gun control to disarm citizens, which tyrants tend to do to groups they want rid of (Hitler to Jews, colonisers to native Americans).
Glad we got that settled.

Now how are we gonna stop the onset of a global police state and a possible WW3? Any constructive suggestions?
It'd be embarrassing if in the future your kids ask you why you didn't do anything when it was so obvious, like duuuh.

Words fail me.

Researching [url= http://projectbluebook.theblackvault.com/ ]Project Blue Book[/url] documents would be a much more productive use of some peoples time! 🙄

Words don't fail me it is just pointless continue to argue with people who are members of a self reinforcing cult of paranoia and disbelief . So jive with respect a I disagree with you 6079 I don't agree with you either.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/sport/100-tours-100-tales/2015/jan/14/french-cartoons-charlie-hebdo-satirised-lance-armstrong-puerile-perfect ]Charlie Hebdo n others on Cycling[/url]

If you want WW3. You don't have the Islamic black flag in the French Capital, you have it in the US.

I think you're wrong there piemonster... Ww3 will need to involve Europe.. And that pillock advisor on fox news was very quick to leap up and tell the US public that Europe was fast becoming a muslim enclave..
The US will be here to liberate us in short order, have no fear

I hope so Yunki, I'm running short of nylons and chewing gum.

Conspiracy theorists love conspiracy theories, simple as that.

My point earlier about the conspiracy theories etc...

Just because there are loons out there desperate to believe any conspiracy, doesn't mean that everything is exactly how it's presented to us in the mainstream media. Just look at historical evidence, declassified documents etc - some of the stuff the US has had to publish about what their security services have done is outrageous.

I don't generally believe in any complex conspiracy theories - Occam's Razor and all that, but I don't think anything should be discounted out of hand just because it sounds unlikely. 'Nutty conspiracy theorists' have been saying for years that there is a network of rich and powerful paedophiles who protect each others interests and have covered up sickening abuse. Doesn't seem quite so nutty now does it.

Having said all that I think JHJ and the other fella are pretty deranged and the 'evidence' they produce is largely nonsense. Just don't throw the baby out with the bath water is all I'm saying.

Edit: whilst some of Jive's points stretch the imagination the fact the killers turned up for the editorial meeting suggests they were being provided information by others and may have been acting on orders.

... or simply that they struck lucky, a complete coincidence.

It just occurred to me that jivehoney and his ilk may be suffering from the same internal effect as those who believe in any of the large variety of gods on offer - they think they detect things that are not actually there, due to some irresistable impulse to find the "reality" BEHIND the actual reality ...

@grum, I do agree with your comments on US foreign policy, especially in Latin America. It's clear the US has supplied assistance to the Free Syrian Army, that's one reason ISIS spent most of their early efforts attacking them, they'd rather kill other Muslims than have a US influenced government in Syria. I've always had the view the Paedophiles work in circles and have infiltrated the police/courts etc.

Doesn't seem quite so nutty now does it.

In the same way that I never watched the 'The Matrix' in full, I cannot somehow manage to read this entire thread. All I can offer is 'be excellent to each other' . The rest is pish.

'Nutty conspiracy theorists' have been saying for years that there is a network of rich and powerful paedophiles who protect each others interests and have covered up sickening abuse. Doesn't seem quite so nutty now does it. "
Well nobody has ever denied paedophiles exist nobody has denied that sexual deviancy crosses all social and economic groups nobody has ever denied that people protect those important to them . nobody has ever denied that at various points the victims of abuse have not been central to the concerns of justice ( see corroboration requirement in English law up till the 80S). What has been denied disputed and ridiculed is that we are ruled over by Lizards (what ever you take that to mean) for whom child abuse is a central plank of their command and control structures . Child abuse occurs and can range from the relatively bland to the truly sickening, cover-ups occur for a variety of motives but the over arching conspiracy theory remains utterly nutty . The adherents and disciples do indeed run the risk of creating a climate where babies go down the drain along with their nonsense.