[Closed] "Muslim" terrorists attack French magazine in Paris

Just because there are loons out there desperate to believe any conspiracy, doesn't mean that everything is exactly how it's presented to us in the mainstream media.

Yeah, I don't disagree. But then, I'm pretty sure that most people wouldn't. As others have said, if you throw enough stones you're going to hit something sooner or later because Statistics.

The problem is, really, the 'crying wolf' argument. JHJ touts such a sheer volume of irrelevant, ill-researched and, sorry but it's true, ignorant "facts" and misinformation that when he does accidentally stumble across something that turns out to be true, a) everyone ignores him and b) he can then jump up going "see, see, I told you, when will you listen."

Some of the stuff I've seen posted about the CH tragedy (not necessarily by JHJ but by the rest of the bottom half of the Internet) has been particularly distasteful. I recently watched a video of the poor policeman actually getting shot (not by choice, I didn't realise they were going to show it) and I really wish I hadn't, it's something that will stay with me for a long time. It was then followed by a "moon landings were faked" style deconstruction of why it couldn't possibly be real. "Here's an AK47 shooting a watermelon," yes, yes, but heads aren't made out of watermelons, you might as well show an image of a knife going through butter as an argument as to why it should've made more of a mess than it did of steel plate. All the while the commentator is telling us that people don't understand how guns work, whilst completely failing to understand how guns work.

Being generous, I find the whole CH conspiracy theories distasteful and disrespectful at best, so soon after the event.

The flak jacket is real, the conspiracy theory is BS.

Charlie Hebdo shares the building with some other publications and a press agency called Premiers Lignes, who specialise in sending reporters to the front lines of conflicts. Surprisingly enough they keep kevlar vests in their stores, which would prove useful should a journalist need to leave the office and fly to a war-torn corner of the world at the drop of a hat.

@Cougar, I watched the full shooting video by choice, I felt I had to see it. I have also watched full shooting videos from ISIS executing prisoners. I directed Jive to do so as its clear you don't necessarily see blood and exploding heads if you are shot with a high powered rifle at close range. Of course the conspiracy theories so close to the event are distasteful, the people putting them out have no taste they are just interested in their own hobby.

JHJ - you obviously have an interest in geopolitics. Why are you surprised that intelligence agencies talk and act together?

I'm not at all surprised, but as we have seen from past performances, the covert operations they carry out all over the world usually result in the exact opposite of the peace they preach.

For example, as I've said many times, Operation Cyclone, which is the origin of Al-Qaeda and ultimately key to 9/11 happening (that is before you start to entertain theories about deliberate Saudi and Israeli involvement~ we'll see more on that when the redacted 28 pages of the 9/11 report are published)

The fact is, war is an industry... it profits the arms industry, private military contractors (mercenaries), security firms and the intelligence services themselves. That these same industries profit the moguls who run much of the media is no coincidence to the warped version of events portrayed in the majority of the news we receive.

Whether unwittingly, or by design, they have been engineering a scenario which is setting us on a path for World War 3.

I could be wrong, hopefully I am, but if I was right, wouldn't you want to know?

@ ocrider

That's a prime example of the Con Theorist's habit of looking at a bus and thinking they've seen a racehorse, simply by jumping to the first conclusion that seems to fit their hair-brained hypothesis.

Well done that man. 🙂

For example, as I've said many times

Yes, Please stop. Do some listening.

cover-ups occur for a variety of motives but the over arching conspiracy theory remains utterly nutty .

I think this is a very good point, you only need see how homosexuality in positions of power was dealt with over the decades, a great many good people lost their jobs because it opened them up to the risk of blackmail (for example by foreign powers) if made public, indeed the threat of exposure was frequently used in this fashion, the suggestion that someone with a known direct involvement in paedophilia would be tolerated in a senior position, when it opened them up as a security risk through blackmail or risk of exposure is fanciful.

What [b]is[/b] believable is that if someone became known then they were quietly moved and dismissed/resigned without the very public embarrassment to the civil service/police/church etc. of police involvement and a trial, it Was 'hushed up' when discovered, rather than tolerated (though in later years there was certainly an acceptance of homosexuality for example, as long as nobody rocked the boat and risked becoming an embarrassment, Jeremy Thorpe springs to mind here)

Of course, there's also no doubt our security services became aware of people involved in child abuse, no doubt we moved to limit the risk, I suspect that little could have ever been proved about Cyril smith at the time as far as a criminal prosecution went, but suspect that had the liberals come to power he would have been quietly sidelined, I also suspect that the security services would wish to be very careful about straying into the area of exposing the wrongdoings of politicians that they had discovered) and no doubt that in some cases we turned a blind eye to it so that we could blackmail our enemies (Eg. Russian agents, certain IRA members) - and whilst this may be shameful and terrible in a great many ways. I don't think it's anything like the sort of conspiracy which the truth seekers are looking for.

Do you ever leave your bedroom?

ninfan - do I have to post this video again?

If I have to state the obvious - I DON'T believe that world leaders are secretly lizards, or that child abuse is 'central to their control structure' (whatever that means).

Yeah, I don't disagree. But then, I'm pretty sure that most people wouldn't.

I dunno - quite a few people on here seem so keen to dismiss JHJ etc that they are ignoring/discounting credible and disturbing evidence.

Admittedly the nutty conspiracy theorists probably do contribute to people getting away with stuff they shouldn't because people assume it's ALL nonsense when so much of it is.

I dunno - quite a few people on here seem so keen to dismiss JHJ etc that they are ignoring/discounting credible and disturbing evidence.

Quite the reverse. See ocrider's post.

ocriders post is indeed enlightening and puts one concern to rest...

which is a good thing, but the others remain~ any further pieces of the puzzle to debunk are welcome, but as it stands, there is still much to question... why the edit around 0:17 for example?

As regards child abuse in the context of the IRA and blackmail, look into Kincora

to avoid going off topic too far, it might be worth checking out this thread on the subject:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-the-bbc-news-now

which is a good thing, but the others remain~ any further pieces of the puzzle to debunk are welcome, but as it stands, there is still much to question... why the edit around 0:17 for example?

In that clip there are at least two cuts, and the last section of the film seems to be from the beginning in real time. The guy in the blue shirt and body armour crossing the roof at the end seems to be the same man taking cover next to the camera.
The cut at 0:17s could simply be a section removed while the camera was not focused, for example filming the back of a chimney stack while shots are being fired below.
The disjointed order and, possible, lack of continuity strikes me as a piece being edited in a rush and then aired before completion, rather than anything fabricated.

Perhaps the film was cut as the phone camera "times out" or the person filming it touched the wrong button.

Do you ever leave your bedroom?

Runnnnn! Binners has the snipers moving in.

For example, as I've said many times, Operation Cyclone, which is the origin of Al-Qaeda and ultimately key to 9/11 happening (that is before you start to entertain theories about deliberate Saudi and Israeli involvement~ we'll see more on that when the redacted 28 pages of the 9/11 report are published)

In that clip there are at least two cuts, and the last section of the film seems to be from the beginning in real time. The guy in the blue shirt and body armour crossing the roof at the end seems to be the same man taking cover next to the camera.
The cut at 0:17s could simply be a section removed while the camera was not focused, for example filming the back of a chimney stack while shots are being fired below.
The disjointed order and, possible, lack of continuity strikes me as a piece being edited in a rush and then aired before completion, rather than anything fabricated.

That seems like a perfectly reasonable analysis... my only remaining concern is whether or not it was broadcast as 'live footage' at the time

Runnnnn! Binners has the snipers moving in.

Bring it, I'll make kittens of the hardiest men. 8)

my only remaining concern is whether or not it was broadcast as 'live footage' at the time

Broadcast as 'breaking news' possibly, I don't think phone camera footage can be broadcast live? That would require a direct link.

Fair point... it could also be in the context of 'live developments'... as the 'Israeli Official' tweet shows, with the speed of modern communication, minor errors and misinterpretation are possible.

@jive, its not hard to imagine French bureaucracy would mean they are not the fastest to distribute news

I can but try; been doing pretty well so far, even if I do say so myself

as the 'Israeli Official' tweet shows, with the speed of modern communication, minor errors and misrepresentation are possible. And indeed seized upon to prove a prior hypothesis .

Indeed crankboy, indeed:

So the French released it first.
No flack jacket s one possible body warmer
No missing frames .
No impossible speed.
Stand down all is not suspicious.

Anything to add?

jivehoneyjive - Member
ocriders post is indeed enlightening and puts one concern to rest...

That seems like a perfectly reasonable analysis..

Fair point... it could also be in the context of 'live developments'

See a pattern emerging here, jive?

with the speed of modern communication, minor errors and misinterpretation are possible.

Plus, there's even more ill informed drivel for credulous asshats to latch on to and spout as "facts".

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Plus, there's even more ill informed drivel for credulous asshats to latch on to and spout as "facts".

Indeed there is Mr Flashheart, indeed there is...

Terry Wogan to David Icke (as the audience bursts into laughter at his claim to be jesus), patting him on the knee:

"David, David. They're laughing AT you, not WITH you."...

doesn't mean that everything is exactly how it's presented to us in the mainstream media.

Its quite likely the govt started the alien rumours to stop folk investigating military research for example.

Both of these are worth researching

Its quite likely the govt started the alien rumours to stop folk investigating military research for example.

Both of these are worth researching

Cool, let us know what you find and report back...

@jj interestingly if the Fox news "expert" had said something like, "there are parts of the UK where government funded schools have been taken over and teach Sharia Law" he wouldn't have had to apologise ... clearly the Birmingham is a no go area is total nonsense, in fairness to the lady presenter she looked appalled when he said it

EDIT: as an aside the Mayor of a French town on the Belgian border with a large North African immigrant population admitted the police don't go into certain areas as there are high levels of crime and hostility to the police ( 😯 ). This being exactly what Farage was referring to. The Fox news guy could have done the same.

Its quite likely the govt started the alien rumours

It is quite likely that some random, gullible people having hallucinations, or some joker like the "crop circle" funsters, started the alien rumours.

In Phillipines a group of Muslims protesting about the new CH cartoons burned a reproduction "front page" which replaced the image of the Phophet with a picture of Nettanyahu and an Israeli flag. This shows to me quite how confused are those protesting, it's a lot of hate against a number of different things.

[b]It also signals to me they believe the attack on the magazine and on the Jewish supermarket where equally justified.[/b]

Philippines is mostly Christian but with Indonesia next door and it being the worlds largest Muslim country not surprising there are some communities.

Cool, let us know what you find and report back...

as an aside the Mayor of a French town on the Belgian border with a large North African immigrant population admitted the police don't go into certain areas as there are high levels of crime and hostility to the police ( ). This being exactly what Farage was referring to. The Fox news guy could have done the same.

Yes, if he had said 'parts of birmingham' then there could be little argument - though the same applies to parts of numerous cities up and down the country, plenty of white estates in England where the police don't go.

We've got our own versions of Kowloon Walled City? Cool.

Henceforth, I think I'll refer to The Prophet as The Poppet.

I think its ridiculous there are parts of any place where the police don't go, white neighborhoods included (there are more than a few in Northern Ireland)

You have to admit that Kowloon Walled City was freaking cool though, shirley?

We've got our own versions of Kowloon Walled City? Cool.

Blackbird Leys?

Very good Tom.

yep no flackjackets plural one bodywarmer that could be a flack jacket .
still no Missing frames
still no impossible speed
still the French released it first.
still no observers on the roof pre warned so in flack jackets a group of evacuees on roof one of whom may or may not have a flack jacket on but if so has legit access.
You still can't understand why real life does not enfold like your idea of how it should . you still cant understand why it is more logical to take valid id on a martyr mission than not.
you still think if there is no visible blood in the first few seconds someone has not been shot , even if the family greave and a body is buried .
you still want this to be a conspiracy by ruling child abusing lizards to start a war .
I still believe it is a act of terrorism by some Islamic death cult bent on causing a backlash that will alienate the Muslim community,
my evidence:-
this is what the islamist death cult do everyday all over the world
The actors in this said that was what they were doing
the people in the lose affiliation brand AQ claim they ordered it
the partner ran to ISIS
there is no evidence that stands up to scrutiny to suggest otherwise
the only conspiracy actually revealed is the deliberate pre planned faking of a bbc web page to put forward the arguments jivehoney espouses which jivehoney was the only person on this forum to know about which was identified to him by one of his twitter "contacts"

Allright mate, don't have a cow about it.

@crankboy I really think @jj does this for a laugh, no one here is taking him that seriously

that's how i feel about you 😈

TBH i cannot tell if jive is trolling or believes either way its not a debate and facts dont sway him

Ninfan - do you really believe there are police free zones? I've lived in areas that maybe the police avoid or are wary of, but if they have good reason to go in they can and do ime