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Leigh Woods, nearly brought me to tears!

93 posts & 40 voices | Started 4 months ago by phutphutend | Latest reply from jameso

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phutphutend - Member

I've moaned elsewhere on this forum about the recent developments in Bristol. But my ride in Leight Woods yesterday was so depressing that I need a whole new post to vent my frustrations.

Leigh woods used to be one of the best places around for natural singletrack. Yes, it got a bit gloopy in the winter, but there were enough trails and few enough riders that it was always enjoyable.

Yesterday the woods were heaving. The man made trails were so busy that they were unrideable. Every second corner I was held up by some numpty. And they are as dull as dishwater to ride, pedal, corner, pedal, corner, pedal, corner etc...

So, I thought I'd get back onto the old trail network for a bit of fun. But most of these trails have either been destroyed by the diggers used to build the new trails, been blocked by logs or sticks, or destroyed by overuse from the hordes of new riders. Yup, the steep tracks seem untouched, but it's hard work pushing back up.

Never again will the woods be like it was. The only positves I can see is more bike sales and some new trails for beginners.

There is no provision for more experienced riders who will now have to travel. No more quick hour rides for me, pretty much all I can regularly fit in with a young family. So effectively my riding is over! Now I really am shedding a tear.

Posted 4 months ago #
philconsequence - Member

get involved with building new trails there?

Posted 4 months ago #
rondo101 - Member

Some of the old (aguably tired) trails have been erased, but there's still plenty of cheeky stuff around. You need to look harder & rather than bitching about trail blockages, get off your bike & clear the trail.

Posted 4 months ago #
TooTall - Member

Let's put this logically.

The more advanced riders want more challenging riding (not that most of LW ever was or ever could be). Without more basic trails there never really could be any legit work to make more challenging trails. There are now more basic trails.

You could dry your eyes and get involved in making the trails or improving them as phil said. Just a thought seeing as you're not riding.

Posted 4 months ago #
boxfish - Member

OP - I agree with you. The natural trails have been replaced by a single-lane, super-smooth, BMX-style pump-n-berm track. I made similar disgruntled noises a while back on another thread but, apparently, these trails are what everyone wanted...

However, I'm sure that new cheeky trails will spring up in Leigh Woods much like they are starting to again in 50-Acre Wood after the recent forestry work.

Bah.

Posted 4 months ago #
Thurman Merman - Member

Stop moaning?
Be more tolerant?
Ride somewhere else?
Ride it faster?
Appreciate that it's now all-weather?
Appreciate that some people have put a shed-load of time and effort into doing the work?
Be thankful that it'll get more people on bikes?

I'm an experienced mountainbiker. I quite enjoyed Yer Tiz.

Posted 4 months ago #
phutphutend - Member

Stop moaning? - Maybe
Be more tolerant? - Maybe
Ride somewhere else? - The point of my thread is that my usual place has been detstroyed.
Ride it faster? - And then get held up by even more people.
Appreciate that it's now all-weather? - Maybe
Be thankful that it'll get more people on bikes? - More people to get in my way and overuse and destroy any new trails that do crop up.

I'm an experienced mountainbiker. I quite enjoyed Yer Tiz. - Tiz boring and not mountain biking!

Posted 4 months ago #
santacoops - Member

Theres plusses and minuses as always but to be honest, the amount of time it took them to do it i was expecting something much better. Theres much more than just Leigh Woods around there too, go have a look around. If you want to build some trails, theres always the plantation that needs some work at the moment!!

Posted 4 months ago #
FuzzyWuzzy - Member

LW was pretty crap once it started raining in winter (i.e. most of it), you ended up with a 1:1 ratio of riding to bike cleaning. 50acre still exists (and some other cheeky options) for those that want more natural trails. I think they could have done some things better in LW but still think it's a lot better than it used to be and more cyclists out and about is a good thing...

Posted 4 months ago #
richc - Member

The more advanced riders want more challenging riding (not that most of LW ever was or ever could be).

Really, I always thought the knicker trail, and the cheeky one by the fort was pretty technical, mind you I suppose some people don't find 6ft drops or gaps technical; so you must be a riding god /swoon

Posted 4 months ago #
Mr Agreeable - Member

The point of my thread is that my usual place has been destroyed.

What made it "your" place? Did you ever try and fix up the old trails there? Help maintain official trails so that riders wouldn't thrash the fragile unofficial ones to death? Abstain from riding in the wet? (If you're riding there now, I bet the answer to that last question is a no, seeing how we've just had the most rain in months).

I'm sure that new cheeky trails will spring up in Leigh Woods

Maybe try looking a bit further afield, rather than hammering more muddy tracks through a really popular and environmentally important bit of woodland?

When you look at the bigger picture, we've "lost" maybe two or three miles of very variable trail, and gained something that is going to get loads more people out enjoying the woods.

Posted 4 months ago #
ransos - Member

Yesterday the woods were heaving

Yes, how dare other people enjoy going for a bike ride...

Listen, if you can't find the old network then you don't know it as well as you think you do, and in any case, this time of year is not a good time to be riding it.

Posted 4 months ago #
Milkie - Member

It was extremely busy yesterday. Struggled to park anywhere!

There were all types of riders on the trails, from beginners to riders who thought they owned the trail.. One nearly went into the back of me, obviously couldn't see the 20+ mountain bikers in front, hence lack of speed.

It was good to see so many riders of all abilities and all types of bikers having fun!

It's great to have a trail that can be ridden all year round, if you're after a mudfest, there are trails in other locations you can ride. Don't want to do that, then join the trail builders, I'm sure they will welcome you with opening arms, as long as you don't constantly moan.

Posted 4 months ago #
clubber - Member

Yes, it got a bit gloopy in the winter

Bit of an understatement... I don't really mind mud but it really was getting increasingly trashed year on year as mtbing has got more popular. The local volunteers just couldn't ever keep up with the work so it needed something doing before it was just a 10ft wide mud motorway.

It strikes me that the people doing the work (eg Bristol Trail Group) to keep the trails rideable had the right to take a view on what the new solution should be (or at least be involved in the discussion) on the basis that it was only a matter of time before things got properly ruined. There was also plenty of consultation for those that got involved.

FWIW, it's new and as such, very busy. Give it a while and things will calm down. Or just time it to go at other times. As to what it is, yes, I'd prefer it a bit more natural but I can accept that what we've got is a reasonable compromise and certainly much better than the mud motorway I mentioned. It will also get rougher over time as it wears in. No it'll never be the idyllic singletrack that it was for about two weeks of some years if it dried out, in the years before it became so well known but those days were already gone IMO.

Posted 4 months ago #
fuzzhead - Member

IMHO, if you're not feeling the love of Yer Tiz, ride it faster.
If you find it too busy, try ride early in the am or ride at night? I'm over there 8ish most Sundays and there's normally only one or two other people on the trail; three loops of Yer Tiz + a loop of the Nova trail should see you a good hard hours blast.

Personally, I quite like not suffering a mudfest every ride during the winter (and spring and summer and autumn!). It's awesome to see all the kids out on the new trails, which can only be a great thing - maybe we'll see the next Hart/Fairclough/Bryceland hailing from Bristol?

Posted 4 months ago #
SammyC - Member

It was very very busy on Sunday wasn't it! First time out on that trail with my 4yo lad, he loved it but did get a bit annoyed with having to stop to let people past all the time, but then that was my fault for not getting there until 10am.

Oh, and a big thank you to all the people who passed us, everyone was really pleasant and the nipper loves people telling him how good he is (don't we all), so it really encourages him.

Posted 4 months ago #
ransos - Member

Nice one Sammy, you out tonight?

Posted 4 months ago #
buzz-lightyear - Member

Having some armoured trails in the local area to ride over winter is a Godsend. I'm hoping Lord Bath builds something similar in Longleat forest.

Posted 4 months ago #
coffeeking - Member

Seen this time and time again in various forms, it's an interesting one. An old set of trails near my old house were a haunt that only myself and a couple of other people rode - you could go one week to the next and notice only 1 or 2 other tyre prints over your last set. Was fun to clear It was a lovely loop. But highways agency (not really, but seemed like it) came along and opened it up to disabled access and other trail users where previously it required stout walking boots or a bike. Demolished, lined with gravel and utterly dull to ride. Sure it was a mud fest in the winter, sure few people used it and converting it to it's current state meant more people could use it and did use it in all weathers, but totally wrecked the route. Always happens, popularity of a spot or sport increases and people move in to make it more popular and help out but trash the existing facilities that have otherwise been coping just fine with the low traffic level.

Posted 4 months ago #
Mr Agreeable - Member

Sam, don't you realise that unless you take your son on some horrible muddy trails that he can't ride, or keep him inside until summer, he'll never get into proper mountain biking?

Posted 4 months ago #
SammyC - Member

@ransos: Unfortunately not, rare to get on a club ride these days because of looking after said nipper!

Posted 4 months ago #
SammyC - Member

Damn! Didn't realise this Ant, and he's just put some slicks on for the new trails too!

Posted 4 months ago #
Mr Agreeable - Member

Coffeeking, you're not from round here, are you? In many places round Bristol the new trails have actually narrowed what was there before. Here's a picture taken mid-build in Ashton Court that illustrates this nicely. The muddy straight bit is the line of the old trail, the twisty gravel marks the new. Since that photo was taken, the old trail has been covered over and should revegetate over time.

Posted 4 months ago #
TooTall - Member

I always thought the knicker trail, and the cheeky one by the fort was pretty technical

As I said, which you quoted...

most of LW

Add up all of the knicker and anything else from the picnic table down. Then add up all of the rest of the trails in LW. The 'rest of the trails' will be the larger number ergo 'most'.

Posted 4 months ago #
noteeth - Member

I don't find the new trails very interesting or engaging, but that's just me & my particular taste in singletrack. I have no problem with a beginner friendly 'blue loop' - although it's hardly going to stop people straight-lining down Picnic Bench, is it?

It does bug me that the Rim/DLD trail has been sanitised and is now effectively one way - I've spent years climbing up* that bit of trail, and that stretch along the bluff was always a highlight (top spot for chilling out, too). Whatever the ongoing status of stealth stuff elsewhere, that is a big loss, imo. I'm not saying this to push anybody's buttons - it's just how I view things. Also, I'm all for more people enjoying the woods, but everybody should now take extra care with their speed. It's possible to hit sections at a far greater pace than in ye olde days, and I'm willing to bet that other LW users won't always be keeping off the new trails (I've already encountered people walking up them). LW isn't an 'open' environment like AC, and they won't always see you coming.

(*I do find the notion of directional trails in woodland rather bizarre, tbh. Ever since I was a muddy snot-nosed Mendip kid, a good XC trail has been a good trail in either direction - a nice descent becomes a challenging climb, and vice versa. And for me, at least, riding in woods has never been about rollers and whoops - it's about the ever-changing variables of dirt, roots (especially roots!) and tree cover. Hell, it's just about being in the woods - and away from built infrastructure of any kind. Sections in LW may have been getting bombed out, but - frankly - that pales in comparison with the upheaval of forestry clearance. I understand the concerns about heavy traffic, but sometimes I think we forget just how fast the jungle can claim things back...).

Again, I'm not trying to pish anybody off - I'm just saying, like.

Posted 4 months ago #
supersaiyan - Member

Does "fun" riding means axle deep puddles and riding unpleasant gloop at 5mph? LW isn't the only spot in Bristol. I have an OS map the OP can borrow if they dont already have one. It's the green blobs with pictures of trees you want to look out for...
The only thing nearly bringing me to tears is my inability to manual those 4-in-a-row rollers in AC!

Posted 4 months ago #
noteeth - Member

Does "fun" riding means axle deep puddles and riding unpleasant gloop at 5mph?

Some of what has gone was utterly bombed out, no question. But some of it was riding nicely right up until the day it disappeared.

Anyway, what's done is done.

Posted 4 months ago #
Mr Agreeable - Member

everybody should now take extra care with their speed

The new trail in Leigh Woods seems to have been built quite cunningly, with choke sections and good lines of sight at crossings. Before you could just pop out across the path at full whack, not ideal.

Directional trails and waymarked trails go hand in hand. Yes it may interfere with your personal perception of what mountain biking's about, but then you're not responsible for the safety or enjoyment of the people using the trails.

Sections in LW may have been getting bombed out, but - frankly - that pales in comparison with the upheaval of forestry clearance.

Clear cutting spells complete destruction or loss for most MTB trails (although we've managed to uncover a fair bit of the trails in the Plantation already). What was happening in LW was more like a slow death, with the trails getting wetter, wider and less fun to ride with every year.

Posted 4 months ago #
Mr Agreeable - Member

The only thing nearly bringing me to tears is my inability to manual those 4-in-a-row rollers in AC!

I think there's a definite correlation between the amount of skillz one has and your enjoyment of the new trails. Basically, if you can't pump, manual and jump (and here I hold my hand up with the lamest of you), you're not going to enjoy them to their fullest. Fortunately they're a great place to learn.

Posted 4 months ago #
KINGTUT - Member

Loop it in with AC hit them hard and fast, shout at the slower riders in front to move aside for you, it makes for a fun and interesting ~~race~~ ride.

Posted 4 months ago #
clubber - Member

Stop trolling, KT

Posted 4 months ago #
trickydisco - Member

You got to have the right bike. I rode my mates rigid kona explosif round it and it was amazing. Pumping is the key around that course and if you hit it fast with mates it's great fun

Posted 4 months ago #
KINGTUT - Member

Moi trolling? No honestly It's the way to do it.

I will admit that I find Gert Lush taxing on a SS.

Posted 4 months ago #
buzz-lightyear - Member

"Fortunately they're a great place to learn."

That is the genius of these new trails - they are safe enough for children to roll around, but to ride them fast without braking takes real skills - more than I have. There's loads of development opportunity in there for me.

Posted 4 months ago #
noteeth - Member

Before you could just pop out across the path at full whack

New trails = even fuller whack, mind. I do recognise the thought (and hard work) that has gone into them, especially at junctions - I guess my concern is that LW can be a pretty confusing environment (e.g. walkers crossing in the depths of the wood).

As I said, I'm not trying to push buttons. My preference would have been for a slightly different blue route, and gentle tweaking along the Rim/DLD (and leaving it as a two-way trail). I know that you & the BTG were feeling increasingly like Sisyphus, but the tweaking was appreciated. And yes, now that I'm back in Brizzle I will try and help out (esp in 50 Acre).

Posted 4 months ago #