This could’ve gone in the Jeremy Corbyn thread, but I reckon it deserves it’s own…

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hgJokgNJHo[/video]

Does such an aggressive response mean the Tories are rattled?

I reckon so. It’s almost as if they underestimated the appeal of integrity.

Having read the Telegraph and Times at the WE, it does seem like the Right Wing press is all out to get him, although given their readership, it’s all just preaching to the choir.

I think the grass roots thing is really spooking the Tories, first the SNP wipe the floor North of the border and then a socialist wipes the floor with the Labour Party – bet the Tories are genuinely spooked by it!

It’s almost as if they underestimated the appeal of integrity.

or the inability of money and lies to always triumph over truth.

I reckon it deserves it’s own.

Let’s hope our reptilian overlords agree with your assessment.

The Tory party and its continued support for mass immigration and intervening in muslim countries is a threat to our national security. That’s what Id tweet if I were Nigel Farage (which one day I hope I am).

It’s amazing how much fuss the right-wing press are making about an ‘unelectable’ Labour leader, isn’t it? If the Tories really believed that, they’d be keeping quiet.

if I were Nigel Farage (which one day I hope I am)

That video is all a bit “New Labour, New Danger” isn’t it?
That worked well for the Conservatives.

its all because they (tories and RW press) are scared of this kind of comparison…

what were they up to in the 80s…

Wow, I’d not seen that. That’s a pretty desperate attempt by the tories (not that I’m a labour supporter) – play on peoples fear.

It’s nothing to do with what it appears – this sums it up well

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-called-jeremy-corbyn-6435223

Just as they did with austerity and the concept that labour were entirely to blame for the recession because they were overspending, they are pushing that conservatives are have a strong, reliable plan for the economy and that they offer security while labour offer neither.

It’s pre-election 2020 spin rather than what they’re actually talking about. To some degree you have to admire their forward planning/thinking even if the effect is not particularly palatable.

And the issue really is that Labour’s focus is likely to be internal while they work out what JC leadership means – all the while the Tories will be setting the agenda as they did during most of the previous parliament.

It’s all about the Tories setting the agenda for the debate and hammering home the message they want. They know that currently Labour are in a mess, so will make hay while the sun shines.

I think whoever won the Labour election the Tories would have been straight on the attack. I think they’d have taken all 4 candidates with the same level of threat.

TBH, what the Tories do now is going to be pretty irrelevant. Cameron is going to have his hands full as the the Euro “Bastards” and RW loony fringe of his own party go mental between now and the Euro in/out debate.

You seem to be missing the point. He’s only unelectable (in their opinion) provided they keep pointing out why he’s unelectable. He won’t unelect himself. I’m not sure how much effort they make to disparage him is an indication of how much of a threat they perceive him to be.

Yes of course the Tories are rattled. As I said on the other Corbyn thread expect this sort of tactic when right-wingers hit the panic button.

Jeremy Corbyn

However those sort of tactics didn’t quite work in the US where imo the electorate is a bit less sophisticated and well-informed than in the UK, so even less likely to be effective here imo.

Hopefully they will go completely over the top with ridiculous allegations which will be counterproductive, although I doubt the senior Tory politicians are that stupid, the right-wing press might be though.

He won’t unelect himself.

Interesting comment aracer. I take it that you don’t believe in the theory of “the longest suicide note in history” ?

It’s all about the Tories setting the agenda for the debate and hammering home the message they want.

No it is just the politics of fear and hate, they are setting a tone not an agenda, a tone of dirty tricks and failure to inspire. It is what everyone is tired of and completely misses the point in the groundswell of support for Corbyn. The tories are so smug in believing that the disenfranchised will stay so, and if Corbyn stays honest and sets out a real agenda with integrity he will attract millions of voters who have felt they had no one to vote for previously.

Not really no. I reckon with the right PR spin, in an absence of information from the opposition, pretty much anybody can be made electable*. Suggesting that Corbyn will perform like Foot is of course also PR spin, as is the idea that Labour would have lost in 83 whatever the Tories did (wasn’t their victory somewhat related to some military exercise?)

* I’m not suggesting that JC needs lots of PR spin to be electable, I’m waiting to see how he does as leader of the Labour party – I think he might do a rather better job than many expect.

Does such an aggressive response mean the Tories are rattled?

Not in the slightest – just ensuring they define their opponent as they wish straight away.

Not at all. the Tories have kept quiet hoping Corbyn would win. They’ll take him seriously as a threat, they’ll not be remotely worried unless he’s still leader in 2019 with Labour doing well in the polls and IMO there is zero chance of that happening

As I posted a month ago his voting track record and his “friends” will come back to haunt him. The video is all obvious stuff to bring to the fore.

+1

As above, this is the response regardless of who won – just different routes of attack depending on who won. With JC it may well appear easier to them given past cautionary tales but it’s not a given (and I’m sure they’ll be working hard to come up with stories that shake the belief that he’s an honest/straightforward person).

The politics of fear, always plays well, more so if the euro/global economy is looking grim still in 4 years time

Osborne seems the likeliest Con Leader by then (I think hes now assuming he’s beaten Borris) so Im assuming that this has come from him

JC is the best thing to happen to British politics

just ensuring they define their opponent as they wish

Includes all the press, including the lefty* BBC who preface ever reference to him as “veteran left-winger”.

*according to almost all of the press and definitely the Conservative PR teams.

It’s win/win for the Tories at the moment – they can make all sorts of ridiculous accusations based on Corbyns (equally ridiculous) past statements, and for every one he denies, he looks like he is stumbling against party division (which then fuels the loony lefties to demand he goes further left, because nothing he could do would be enough for them) , while every accusation he doesn’t deny fuels the fire.

I don’t expect anything less from the Tories, but I doubt it’s just me utterly fed up with their patronising constant message of negativity and hate. They don’t have any ability to put forward a reasoned, intelligent positive argument do they – it’s just relentless hysteria. Says a lot about what they think of the electorate and I suspect may rebound against them some day – they will realise the electorate has more than a brain cell too late.

I think that’s the most cynical and pathetic piece of political propaganda I’ve ever seen.

Especially ridiculous given some of the ‘friends’ David Cameron has – various war criminals, murderers and dictators. Then of course there’s old Maggie’s chum Pinochet. Unbelievable hypocrisy but morons will lap it up I suppose.

They don’t have any ability to put forward a reasoned, intelligent positive argument do they – it’s just relentless hysteria.

I thought Gove was quite measured and completely unhysterical on Sunday morning saying quite seriously that he saw a Corbyn-led Labour Party as a contender for Government at the next election. I also thought his argument against Corbyn’s political stance was quite well thought-out and credible.

I really don’t think it’s worth discussing or taking seriously in the slightest.

Propaganda Wars…

The only person pedalling propaganda is Jeremy Corbyn. He’s told us what his vision of utopia is like, and who can argue with it…but he’s not told us how he’s going to deliver it. It’s a replay of the Sipras situation, wins on selling a myth with absolutely no idea on how or the means to deliver.

Principles are all well and good, but its all about how possible they are to implement. Also his veiw that you can just dismiss the basic fundamentals of how the global economy works and expect people to believe that they and the country will continue to thrive just discredits him in most peoples eyes….”Lets just print more money and dish it out to people, that way people will be richererer”….nice one JC, what a great idea – but the humdinger about renationalising the railways takes the buscuit.

I’m waiting to see how things develop. I’m still half expeciting him to come up with some revelation, some light-bulb moment that shows us all where we’ve got it wrong, but I suspect it’ll be a disaster, 70’s politics didn’t work in the ’70’s or in the ’80’s in opposition, they have less chance now. It’ll start to unravel when he has to tackle the big principled issues. If he is seen to back down one inch he’ll risk losing those similarly principled people who have answered his call.

I think the grass roots thing is really spooking the Tories

Not so sure about this grass roots thing.

Didn’t seem to work out to well for UKIP at the GE … ??

Having said that not liking all the Con propaganda. They should concentrate on playing the ball and not the man

Having said that not liking all the Con propaganda. They should concentrate on playing the ball and not the man

They’ve also failed to notice, or take on board, that Corbyn making a point of not getting involved in mud-slinging during his campaign seemed to work greatly in his favour, and left the others looking cheap for resorting to it, while failing to voice anything positive themselves.

Whether you believe in his policies or not, I think most people would agree that the overwhelmingly negative yaa-boo nature of modern politics is a massive turn off. So someone who seems genuine about not sinking to it will be a novelty.

It’ll be interesting to see if he can maintain it in the face of what is sure to be an ongoing campaign of character assassination from the Tories attack dogs in the right wing press

As someone who enjoys watching a bit of politics I think he’s a fantastic addition to the mix, a true leftie with all that comes with it.

Are the Tories afraid of him? I think they should be. We should never forget that whilst the Tories won the last election, when everyone expected it to be very close and possibly mean another coalition – it was in no way a landslide and they don’t have a massive majority – we’ve already seen proposals killed off before a vote because they knew they couldn’t win because a few back benchers went off message.

They made promises they expected to be able to not keep and blame a coalition partner.

More over, they put a lot of effort into fighting right during the last election, everyone expected UKIP to win a dozen seats or more, but for all the pre-election fever and admittedly a decent slice of the popular vote the ‘UKIP threat’ amounted to 1 seat, which they held anyway – that wasn’t blind luck, like in the Scottish Independence vote David Cameron had to make a lot of promises to get over it, a slight movement to the right on Europe and Immigration that we’re still seeing now, it took a dead boy on the front of every paper for the government to do anything and even then they can only risk a disproportionally tiny response compared to our neighbours.

They relied on a huge shift to centre in the post-Blair era to secure a win and a shift back right to nullify the risk from UKIP – if they alienate the centre thinking voters, will the flock to the now more-left Labour?

The only person pedalling propaganda is Jeremy Corbyn

😕 That conservative video is pure propaganda – it’s absolutely shameless.

“Lets just print more money and dish it out to people, that way people will be richererer”

Whereas printing vast amounts of money and handing it to the people who screwed everything up in the first place, then letting them carrying on exactly as they were…..

but the humdinger about renationalising the railways takes the buscuit.

‘The majority of the British public – including the majority of Conservative voters – support nationalising the energy and rail companies’

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/nationalise-energy-and-rail-companies-say-public/

But apart from all that – great post, well done.

Who thinks he will stand for Prime Minister in 2020?

Setting aside the struggles he will face ‘purging’ a party of Blairites, will a 70 year old man be electable for a 5 year job?

DC says he won’t stand for PM in 2020, will they pick the anti-Corbyn?

No matter what Theresa May, Boris or Michael Gove would like to think, Corbyn will be fighting the next election against George Osborne. So… yes… thats about as anti-Corbyn as it gets

Apologies for going way OT, but it is the second mention of UKIP on this thread – I expected them to win 2 or 3 – was a dozen really being suggested?

‘The majority of the British public – including the majority of Conservative voters – support nationalising the energy and rail companies’

It’s also basic economics that where a natural monopoly exists it should be state controlled. Even ardent supporters of The Market recognise this – it’s why we have a government run navy, rather than privateers.