Oh it must be oh so sweet to live in the world of flow where you can buy 1 orange five without kashima coated shocks, and then 1 with kashima coated shocks to make a informed conclusion.
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Kashima coated stantions
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Posted 6 months ago #
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The SKF seals, are better 'sealing'( sealisity
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and have lower frictional properties as well due to the seal compound,
can definatly feel the difference on my standard coat forks that have these fitted
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Flow, you really seem to be biting at the minute (here and CCDB on lapierre thread?). I'm not a Fox hater or an RS fanboi but the massive weight of evidence would suggest Fox are the more fragile (corroborated by their shorter service intervals). Yes some people can trash any fork, and people like you and I who maintain kit will get years out of stuff, but it appears Fox have poor dust seals, the dust gets into the foam wipers, which act as abrading pads on the stanchions. Hopefully the new SKF (or Enduro which I've got in my parts box waiting for the next service on our Fox) are a tighter, better fit and prevent dirt getting thru, and the subsequent wear.
The molecular makeup of Kashima give its very slippery properties....apparently
aluminium oxide (eg. anodized alloy surfaces) is porous. Putting a dye in during the process fills the pores and adds kool anodized colours. Kashima add molybdenum disulphide (like the black moly grease you can buy from halfords) during the process, along with gold pigment. Moly disulphide works like graphite in being a solid with low shear strength between molecular layers, so works as a lubricant as layers move against each other. Putting it in pores on load-bearing or working surfaces is one of those clever "why didnt they think of that before" ideas.
I'd rather be happy my stanchion pores were properly filled with useful lubricating agent than useless but pretty pigment (and I am a tart enough to like gold stanchions and to resent the fact my Marz 55RC3Tis have ghetto nickel-plated stanchions
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Poverty must be a difficult thing. Please excuse my plush, slippery, gold stanchions, I didn't mean for them to offend you.
love it!
Flow - Enjoy your Kashimas, I fooking love mine, they feel amazing and look the nuts!
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Enjoy yours too fellow wealthy one, and let the paupers drool at what they cannot afford
Posted 6 months ago # -
Never mind the poor economic climate - this is Stanchion Envy!!!
<all in jest>
Posted 6 months ago # -
I just stroked mine. They purred at me and whispered, "ride me".
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I think a lot of people who've come across kashima before judge it harshly, because it's been a total snakeoil product for ages in motorbike use- lots of dodgy suspension tuners offering to coat your fork uppers and shock bodies etc, ie, nonfriction parts, and promising performance improvements. (then, people got back their newly rebuilt part and said Wow! Must be the coating! instead of "Hey, newly serviced shocks are better than shagged out old ones")
Think there's probably an element of this in the pushbikes too- people compare new forks with old, or newly serviced forks with tired ones, or forks with the new seals with forks without. But that's not going to stop me getting my RP kashima'd I think.
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Well NW, as you know I had two Fives here, one with a kashima RP23 and one without. The one without was only just serviced, and uses the same seals as the new ones (I think). The kashima RP23 is definitely a lot plusher, practically zero stiction, and thats not just me imagining it.
They also had to increase the compression tune of the shocks (so Mojo say) due to the decreased stiction.
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If it definately used the new seals, that's a great comparison, cheers.
(I've a sneaking suspicion that you could charge a lot of people £150 and write "Kashima" on the can with a gold marker pen, and some people would feel a huge difference
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I wouldn't be too sure, even my bro was shocked at the difference.
Let me know when you get it done, I will welcome you into the upper class
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Nah, think you miss my point- I'm not saying there's no difference (I've no experience myself), just that in general some people want to be impressed by a new part or change, particularily when it was expensive.
Frinstance, I once changed the rear caliper on a mate's motorbike and at the same time, gave the front once a wee cosmetic clean and polished the logos back up just because they looked silly with the new rear. He was well impressed with the increase in front braking
Incidentally, in the class war, what wins- PUSH or Kashima?
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Ahhh, I get ya.
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Actually, surely my PUSHd Kashima shock will mark me out as your new ruler since you'll just have a scaffy standard shock, which you probably found in a bin while looking for dinner?
Posted 6 months ago # -
Jesus its Kashimas Wars
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Well no, mine is a 2012 one with adaptive logic, making you still inferior
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Flow is Kashimas'd up, must say the Kashima RP23 adaptive logic look the nuts
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flow - Member
Well no, mine is a 2012 one with adaptive logic, making you still inferior
Isn't that all just about slightly changing how the propedal lever works?
Posted 6 months ago # -
What bike you got at the mo SBrock?
Posted 6 months ago # -
Nice suspension Flow, its a pity you couldn't afford a decent bike to attach it to.
Posted 6 months ago # -
Yeah NW.
Basically you can chose to always run PP in the off position (0, 1, or 2) and the on position is PP3 for climbing.
Nice suspension Flow, its a pity you couldn't afford a decent bike to attach it to.
I know mate, times are hard.
What bike do you have partyboy?
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SC Butcher with 2012 Van 36 RC2 Kashimas 160mm
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SC Butcher with 2012 Van 36 RC2 Kashimas 160mm
Ahh nice, I'm a fan of the Butcher, good upper class choice of bike there.
Posted 6 months ago # -
It's the Lime Green one on the first page of this topic, custom built by moi!!!!!
Posted 6 months ago # -
Nearly went for a an Alpine 160 but couldn't stretch that far and if I could I would of got a Nomad!
Posted 6 months ago # -
Very nice indeed.
They do look lovely in green I must say.
Alert: Annoying smug upper classes around!
who tagged that?
Posted 6 months ago # -
What bike do you have partyboy?
Bike? I am not a single bike weekend warrior, I have a selection for differing purposes.
Posted 6 months ago # -
Bike? I am not a single bike weekend warrior, I have a selection for differing purposes.
What bikes then?
Edit: Don't even think that makes you one of us, pauper.
Posted 6 months ago # -
Wouldn't it be funny if a growing number of Kashima forks were beginning to wear through the coating - and that changing the seals on the forks actually made this problem worse.. that would be an unfortunate set of circumstances ey!
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Wouldn't it be funny if a growing number of Kashima forks were beginning to wear through the coating - and that changing the seals on the forks actually made this problem worse.. that would be an unfortunate set of circumstances ey!
Its not going to happen though is it, lets face it.
They have stepped up to the needs of the upper class and supplied us with gold. Maybe the poverty spec forks/shocks will start to wear, but not ours.
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Alert: Annoying smug upper classes around!
That was mewho tagged that?
Posted 6 months ago # -
Im not gonna face it just yet
Posted 6 months ago # -
Maybe they should have put a decent coating on them years ago.
Posted 6 months ago # -
So does this kashima shit allow you to bimble round the woods at a marginaly faster speed than your bimbler mates?
Bet they're blown away with the extra 20% more slipperyness.
Posted 6 months ago # -
Stu, you can only afford one gear, I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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