That's what a father should do and the right thing too - Protecting his family first. Whatever comes later is irrelevant.
As for the robber his luck finally runs out and deserves what he gets.
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When I first read this I thought that exceeds reasonable force.
After thinking about it overnight, I have changed my mind. The criminal attacked this guy's family. If he got away then he or his associates were likely to try again and probably with more force the next time.
So now if anyone is raising a collection to buy him a new cricket bat, I'm in.
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Nick - Member
I'm glad the guy is locked up, what kind of lunatic chases after someone with an bar and a bat when his family have just been tramatised by a kidnapping and mugging? He should have stayed with them and made sure they were ok, and waited for the police and ambulance to arrive. The irony is that his actions may well have contributed to one of the thieves not getting a custodial sentence and possibly spending the rest of his life on disability benefit.
As for the rest of you advocating what he should have done (put a knife in his hand etc) and sharing your violent wet dreams on here about what you'd do in a similar situation, calm down, take a deep breath and go for a ride, it'll help make the voices go away for a bit.
Applause. Spot on.
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youve got to ask yourself . what would chuck norris do ?
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I had to laugh.
What did he hit him with? One of those 99p Tesco's bat & ball sets?
He obviously didn't smack him with a Gray-Nicholls finest. You could probably knock a house down with one of those before it broke
" he was struck with a cricket bat so hard that it broke into three pieces."
What is wrong with the UK? You used to make really good cricket bats, where did it all go wrong?
- keith, Beziers, France, 14/12/2009 19:20Posted 2 years ago # -
Nick - Member
I'm glad the guy is locked up, what kind of lunatic chases after someone with an bar and a bat when his family have just been tramatised by a kidnapping and mugging? He should have stayed with them and made sure they were ok, and waited for the police and ambulance to arrive. The irony is that his actions may well have contributed to one of the thieves not getting a custodial sentence and possibly spending the rest of his life on disability benefit.
As for the rest of you advocating what he should have done (put a knife in his hand etc) and sharing your violent wet dreams on here about what you'd do in a similar situation, calm down, take a deep breath and go for a ride, it'll help make the voices go away for a bit.
+1
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Whilst i have no sympathy for the burglar, i do feel that the brothers were handing out retribution, not self defence and in that respect i think they went OTT.
The family were in a position of perial when held captive, but the guy escaped. Hence it cannot be argued that the beating they dished out was self defence, as they were not in peril by that point.
At what point is pumelling someones head in judged to be acceptable and resonable?
Nothing is black an white, but i can see where the judge is coming from. Without laws, where does it end?Posted 2 years ago # -
Nothing is black an white
..but some crims are black and blue<ahem> IGMC
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lol @ BBSB
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ahwiles - Member
(i cannot manage to raise even the slightest sympathy for salem)
rascist.
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"It may be that some members of the public, or media commentators, will assert that the man Salem deserved what happened to him ... and that you should not have been prosecuted and need not be punished,” he said.
"However, if persons were permitted to take the law into their own hands and inflict their own instant and violent punishment on an apprehended offender rather than letting justice take its course, then the rule of law and our system of criminal justice, which are the hallmarks of a civilised society, would collapse."
My bold. Now I suspect the defendant did not know the victims[?!] previous records but having now heard it is 50+ convictions I would say our system of criminal justice is on life support and if something is not done to either to re-educate repeat offenders or keep them off the streets we will see more of this type of thing.
Likewise we are not permitted to own firearms for self-defence any more (the law changed in England & Wales in the 1920's) as we should be able to rely upon the police to defend us and our property from violent criminals and the government & judicial system should ensure the police are adequately supported & equipped to do so.
The way I see it the English system has failed on two counts prior to the home-owner beating the living daylights out of this guy;
1) Getting the robber to mend his ways earlier in his criminal career or to keep him locked up.
2) To permit a law abiding citizen from being equipped to defend his family & home from the threat of violent attack or to ensure that the police are on the scene within moments of the such an act taking place.The second potentially opens a can of worms, where does it stop? If you accept that the police cannot be on scene in minutes (which realistically they cannot) what is the next step? What would have happened if the previously law abiding home-owner was permitted (as in Texas) to carry a firearm and trained to use it?
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Chewkw said, "That's what a father should do and the right thing too - Protecting his family first. Whatever comes later is irrelevant. "
Funny. Because he protected his family first, and that was irrelevant to the court case. He was tried ONLY on what came leter, so that was ALL that was relevant.
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Both parties should have been jailed.But I have some sympathy for the point about the guy is only a danger to anybody who breaks into his house.Still the description of the kidnapper will now contain the words "limp" and "large dent on head" in any future incidents, making him easier to catch.
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On another note I see that 'The Fox' has been released less than 20 years into his 146 year sentance.
Which has gone down well here where he raped men and women at gunpoint.Posted 2 years ago # -
It wouldn't be such a pisstake if the gang members had recieved a bigger sentence than the Hussains. If my family was threatened at knife point and I had the chance, I'd go a bit bananas as well I think.
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BigButSlimmerBloke - Member
A few years back Duncan Ferguson, former Dundee United and Rangers (playing for Everton at the time IIRC) footballer...Drunken Duncan as he was known hereabouts...
Superb!
We always referred to him as 'Duncan Disorderly'.
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heh heh - I was looking for photos of the headbutt at Ibrox incident, after all if you're going to assualt someone, why not do it in front of a crowd of 50,000, the cops and the press who all have their cmeras trained on you..
Instead I found this
Posted 2 years ago # -
Bat-man should've got a suspended sentence. Very extreme circumstances made him do what he did. Unlikely to be a threat to wider society. He's been made an example of.
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Benji wrote,
"It wouldn't be such a pisstake if the gang members had recieved a bigger sentence than the Hussains"
Well, seeing as only one was actually caught, and he'd been rendered unable to stand trial by their actions, what exactly did you expect?
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I don't understand
The police can fill an innocent Brazilian full of lead-sorry sunshine wrong place wrong time and all that.
Bloke get 3 yrs for a bit of a kicking on a career criminal.Wear a police uniform..........and it'll get swept under that big carpet at the crown prosecution service
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Bloke get 3 yrs for a bit of a kicking
Wasn't really just 'a bit of a kicking' though was it.
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I'm from Hull, it was a bit of a kicking he's still alive. Stabbing are now all the rage now.
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myheadsashed; bet that annoyed them,
oh you are taking a bat to me, that is SO last year
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LOL! The intruders entered house, tied up the family members, who knows what they were going to do to their victims next etc, but then they got it wrong, chased and whacked in the head.
Then we have those who feel the action of defending one's own family is also a state concern and theirs by saying no no ... you cannot do that because that is over used of force blah blah blah as we are civilised society and there is justice, law etc ... to protect us. If we injure culprit(s) we have to pay for their entire life. Also if everyone takes laws into their own hands the world would go mad, eye for an eye etc and we will see chaos and my ego would be shattered.
WTF! Rationality gone bonkers!
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Northwind - Member
Chewkw said, "That's what a father should do and the right thing too - Protecting his family first. Whatever comes later is irrelevant. "
Funny. Because he protected his family first, and that was irrelevant to the court case. He was tried ONLY on what came leter, so that was ALL that was relevant.
"Whatever comes later is irrelevant" to oneself once own family is safe. Being found guilty and later sentenced to jail is irrelevant if one knows own family is safe. A self sacrifice for the family.
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defending one's own family
So if someone kicked your son/brothers head in with an iron bar, broke a cricket bat over his head and left him with permanent brain does that family not get to be all vigilante?
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"hen we have those who feel the action of defending one's own family is also a state concern"
You're obviously not too aware of the facts here, he didn't do these things while defending his family.
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Junkyard - Member
defending one's own family
So if someone kicked your son/brothers head in with an iron bar, broke a cricket bat over his head and left him with permanent brain does that family not get to be all vigilante?
If my brother/son etc got permanent brain damage from being wacked for his criminal act like entering and then threaten others in their own home by whatever means, then serve him right for his deeds. I will not blame the other family as they are protecting themselves. If he got away and I found out then he would have to face me unless he never come home again which is fine with me.
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Northwind - Member
"hen we have those who feel the action of defending one's own family is also a state concern"
You're obviously not too aware of the facts here, he didn't do these things while defending his family.
But they entered his house and his family members were in the process of being tied. They have crossed his path and him whacking one of them is to ensure they never return. Running away after threatening other's family and then crying foul ... oh ya baby ... Whack!
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So you're admitting it's not self defence but retaliation. Good stuff.
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Northwind
So you're admitting it's not self defence but retaliation. Good stuff.
LOL! You are getting too rational now. Yes, he is defending his family by whacking the culprit silly. Low quality bat by the way.
Yeah ... run then cried foul after threatening family ... ya baby, Whack!
FFS! Just don't go around threatening and robbing families if you do not want to get whack in the head.
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Whack him while defending your family and so long as you don't intend to kill fair enough. In this case chasing him away then beating him to permanent severe injury? The family were in no danger when the beating occurred. Thats why he goes to jail. Harsh sentence for being a bolshy asian as well I bet. 6 months might have been more sense.
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Chewkw wrote, "Yes, he is defending his family by whacking the culprit silly"
What a total load of balls. His family were safe, simple as that, he was no longer protecting them.
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Whacking him yes but never killing.
However, in this case I think beating the culprit was the intention but without knowing they would cause severe damage to him.
The family was in no danger after the culprit ran but his family has already been violated which in certain culture is not good especially if the head of the family cannot do anything.
Although being sentenced to jail is harsh he can hold his head high. Now he has the respect of the community.
I think he will be out in half that.
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but without knowing they would cause severe damage to the him.
so you can hit someone so hard with a cricket bat it breaks in three and then hit them some more with a metal bar and NOT relaise that his may do severe damage to them.
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