a bloke stands up, helps out a public servant and HE gets arrested and charged!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-16288101
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is the world MAD?? well scotland at least
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There was a certain inevitability....
The Daily Mail demands it
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Two wrongs don't make a right?
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looks as though he was preventing a crime to me and therefore it was justified?
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Good. Way OTT IMO, the kid was a bit of a dick, but he didn't threaten anyone or act aggressively. Big man deserves what he gets AFAIC.
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The big man used force where there was no legal justification. Its a clear assault.
I am surprised his prosecution is considered in the public interest tho
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I don't think BTP has much choice. There was an alleged offence; there was evidence that an offence may have taken place. There was sufficient media/public interest that they couldn't ignore it.
Arrested and charged is not the same as found guilty.
The procurator fiscal will need to decide if it is in the public interest to prosecute. Assuming they do, the court will then decide if an offence was committed. If the police don't do the first bit then they appear to be doing the judge's job for him.
I'm pleased to see that the "fare dodger" has also been reported, and thus can be dealt with by the judicial process rather than STW law!
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fair dodging is hardly a crime when compared with assault.
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fair dodging is hardly a crime when compared with assault.
True. I could understand someone fare dodging to stop an assault, but to commit assault to stop fare dodging?
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The 'fare dodger' hasn't been charged with fare dodging, he has been reported for trespass and "threatening or ABUSIVE behavior"
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I can however understand Bigman's actions... he probably just wanted to get home and the little scrote was stopping the train form going anywhere. doesn't make it right though.
trespass and abusive and threatening behaviour sounds more serious than fare dodging so it'll probably al work out just fine.
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I wonder if he's jumped the barriers to get on to the train then?
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I've just contacted my MSP:
A public spirited member of the public who intervened to help out a train conductor is now being charged with assault.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-16288101
We need the law changed to protect people who are acting in the public interest. They will not generally be aware of the minutae of regulation concerning their actions.
Samaritans should not be put to the sword.
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As above, the actions of big lad were OTT, however I don't see how it is in the public's interest to prosecute him.
FWIW, I also think that more people need to stand up to little scrotes like the fare dodger - suddenly half a carriage all standing up and giving the lad a hard time would support the conductor and maybe persuade the lad it is not work doing.Posted 5 months ago # -
epicyclo -where does it stop? should I be allowed to assault people who park illegally?
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Samaritans should not be put to the sword.
If instead of a student, what if it had been an old man, or a 14 year old girl? Would his actions still make him a samaritan?
suddenly half a carriage all standing up and giving the lad a hard time would support the conductor and maybe persuade the lad it is not work doing.
Yes, everyone knows how persuasive a mob can be.
You expect to pay a fine if caught fare dodging. You don't expect to get chucked off a train by some fat guy. They're both in the wrong.
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We need the law changed to protect people who are acting in the public interest
Ushering the guy off the train is one thing, throwing him to the platform is another......
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Yup. Without getting all dailymailranty about it, there really is a serious lack of civic responsibility in the UK, and this is perhaps not the best result. As I mentioned in the other thread, my Ozzie mate is constantly amazed at what people will put up with here (phones blaring music on public transport, everyone just sitting and ignoring bad behaviour). She always says something, and the scrotes are usually so surprised at being confronted that they comply.
There was a fascinating prog on Radio 4 last year about this very subject - it really is a British phenomenon.
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epicyclo -where does it stop? should I be allowed to assault people who park illegally?
Depends if you have decided some laws are ok to break in your head though i suppose...
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I think Matt is correct - if the whole carriage showed a bit of unity and spoke out against the lad he'd might have had a change of heart.
The big guy shouldn't have done it. Manhandling someone off a train, resulting in injury (even if it's only a scratch)is assault. It's pretty plain to see what he did.
bottom line is that you can't assault people for being a dick, or rude. It's illegal.
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Ushering the guy off the train is one thing,
don't think ushering was an optionPosted 5 months ago # -
epicyclo -where does it stop? should I be allowed to assault people who park illegally?
Oh ffs, not this again.
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Not sure which thread is going to run with this but...
He's only been charged at this stage - not found guilty. Clearly the polis and CPS thought there was enough evidence to prosecute. A jury of his peers may find him not guilty yet.
I bet he's very grateful to the guy who took the video and posted it up (who, incidentally, came across as a smug little tosser when I heard him interviewed on the radio.)
EDIT: If not the CPS, then the PF. Not sure how it works up there in Scotchlandshire
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whatnobeer - Member
epicyclo -where does it stop? should I be allowed to assault people who park illegally?
Oh ffs, not this again.
This.Posted 5 months ago # -
Its a serious point tho.
if this is acceptable then what is not?
We know its acceptable to use force to prevent violence - thats well known in law. this was a non violent crime but some folk think force is acceptable. so where do you draw the line?
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bottom line is that you can't assault people for being a dick
Just as well, really. I'd be spending all day, every day, punching people
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...in self defence binners.
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Its a serious point tho.
It's groundhog day, is what it is.Posted 5 months ago # -
I'll line 'em up! You knock em down DD
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if i could punch people holding up my journey then does that mean every bad driver i see i could go and punch? that's roadrage though and i'm pretty sure STW would class that as assault
just a thought
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Dog owners not controlling their dogs?
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I am surprised his prosecution is considered in the public interest tho
Surely to not charge the big man with assualt would be to send a message that it's ok for anyone to use whatever physical force they feel like to sort out a situation they don't like, and if what you are doing is 'popular', you are clear to break the law?
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He was abusive towards the staff, so I support the actions of 'big man'. If it were an old man or little girl sitting there being abusive, I'd not have an issue with doing the same (if they're abusive and struggle as much as the teenager did). If more people did this the world would be a better place in my opinion, far too may people happily sit idly by watching whilst a minority negatively impact everyone.
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If more people did this the world would be a better place in my opinion, far too may people happily sit idly by watching whilst a minority negatively impact everyone
Sshhhh! Don't say that, everyone is going to frown at you and tut beneath their breath.
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