Unless I've missed something, the difference between cuddles and the rest is that there's never even been any dodgy rumours about him.
Oh, and that definitely proves he's clean, then? 
What a lot of nonsense on this thread.
Ooh the rider I like well he's nice so can't possibly be doping....
Idle Jon see article link in earlier post of mine reviewing past podiums. Though I don't think it mentions mandy schweppes paying fuentes which I've read elsewhere.
I'd like to think Gilberts amazing season was clean too as he has always been vocally anti and the way he duffed up the schweppes sisters at L-B-L.
Ooh the rider I like well he's nice so can't possibly be doping....more "the rider whose performance hasn't gone to shit this year while under lots of apparently new lab testing methods and who's not been under plausible suspicion in the past..."
TBH I think Bertie was affected by all the media attention, all the negative vibes from the crowds, not to mention possibly being hungover from winning the Giro. If you take into account the time he lost on the first stage, through no fault of his own, and the fact he crashed and done his knee in, then tbh he had an amazing Tour to come in 5th. Take away the 1'30" he lost on Stage 1, and he'd have podiumed.
And I imagine he, of all people, mustuv bin clean. No way he'd even think about doping, not with all that going on. Surely not?
I'd like to see him cleared, then go on to win the Tour again, 'clean'. Then the haterz will have to shut up and find something else to bitch and whine about.
And I'd right laugh if Cuddle tested positive...
When you consider the huge leaps in research and information available to hone athletes via 'conventional' training methods incorporating diet, psychology and not to mention equipment, the lack of any real improvement or in many cases a decrease in performance, would lead me to the conclusion that most of the top guys are much cleaner than they used to be.
In saying that, I mean they are having to be so careful that any illegal enhancement is having a lesser and lesser effect to the point where the benefits/risk ratio makes doping non-viable.
I think Evans may actually be clean!
Elf - agreed, I think bertie was prob clean too this time and he's a bloody great cyclist, of course, but not way ahead like he'd seemed to be in the past
next year will be a (n even) better tour I think - hopefully they'll all stay off the drugs and they'll have a better idea of how hard they can push
(out of interest, on what grounds would you accept him being "cleared" - if he can't identify the beef source, what else would convince you ? I'll be bloody narked if he's let off due to lack of evidence or they say the level was too low to be performance-enhancing unless he can show how it got there "innocently")
Ooh the rider I like well he's nice so can't possibly be doping....
Not bitter at all. I just love a bit of pantomime, that's all. And the fact that Bertie winds some of you lot right up.
He'll still be a better rider than Cuddle or Shlepps will ever be, and you know it.
And I'll still recognise his two 'clean' Tour wins even if he is found guilty. That's two more Tour wins than you'll ever have. If he has a poo, it would be 'Tour de France Winner' poo, whereas your poo is just poo.
Actually I was well pleased for Cuddle, but there you go.
When he's on the juice He'll still be a better rider than Cuddle or Shlepps will ever be when they're clean
And I'll still recognise his two 'clean' Tour wins even if he is found guilty.
Really! Or did he just have better drugs and wasn't caught.
IMO all previous results are virtually worthless, or at best devalued, of anyone who is caught.
No, because the previous two Tours he din't test positive, did he? And he wooduv bin tested extensively with much more sensitive procedures than Armstrong wooduv had to undergo.
I admit it's not looking too great for him, but I think his story is plausible. But everyone loves a pantomime villain.
And who's to say Cuddle isn't on something that WADA don't yet have the means to test for yet?
See, you don't know do you? Just spouting a lot of hot air.
How many Grand Tours have you won again?
Or did he just have better drugs and wasn't caught.
So what's stopping Cuddle or anyone else then?
See, you don't know do you? Just spouting a lot of hot air.I've won as many as you Elf - jeez, are we back in the playgroundHow many Grand Tours have you won again?
Overturning results not successful in this case despite proof of doping.
Elf - it is quite funny in general, but I can't give you these two:
No, because the previous two Tours he din't test positive, did he?Nah, he was caught napping last year by a more sensitive test that the lab had just developed wasn't he ?
And he wooduv bin tested extensively with much more sensitive procedures than Armstrong wooduv had to undergo.
I admit it's not looking too great for him, but I think his story is plausible.What? "my rich friend picked up some special meat for only us to eat and delivered it internationally for me but he can't remember where he got it"
But everyone loves a pantomime villain.mmmMMMMWWWWWaahhhhhahaha !
How many Grand Tours have you won again?
So what's stopping Cuddle or anyone else then?
No.
The plastic is what really scuppered him.
Just to prolong the argument ...
Evans a wheel sucker? After his one teammate was spent it was Evans that towed Voeckler, Basso, Cunego, F Schleck and Contador back to A Schleck on two consecutive haute cat climb stages ... nobody helped him. I was gettingthe impression no-one could.
A Schleck HAD to attack Evans for any chance of gaining time on him. he didn't gain enough, and Evans smashed him to bits in the TT anyway. he might have a squeeky voice, but his balls are those of an elephant.
The Schlecks produce anything but exciting cycling. Evans had to play it canny and pick his fights, dispite the best efforts of BMC Evans does not have the firepower of Leopard Trek to call on.
Amen ADH... anyone who claims Evans is a wheelsucker now obviously wasn't watching this year's tour, and if they were then they're seriously deluded folk! Superb effort from Evans, he rode brilliantly throughout both tactically and strategically and when it came down to individual performance, he absolutely destroyed them.
Interestingly enough, I went to the 1994 MTB World Cup in Cairns North Queensland, was just up the road from my home town of Townsville - don't remember seeing Cadel there but I guess I must've at some point!
He's the same age as me as well, makes me feel all sad and insignificant, wasted the best years of me life I have... 
didnt know michael jackson was that good on a bike 
I have to fall in to the unclean camp. As an example the 2 Schlecks were totally and utterly buggered at the finish of the Alpe D'Huez stage and I'm sure Cadel was too, especially from the effort he made on Thursday. And I always knew he was a better TT rider than the Bros S but he just seemed to be totally recovered while they didn't. I still think he would have beaten Andy in the TT but I was expecting the 1st/2nd time difference in Paris to be similar to the LeMond/Fignon classic (which I have to say this years Tour possibly came closest for interest/excitement). Even though there were only 4 Yellow jersey wearers it was SO uncertain as to who would finally end up wearing it in Paris.
I beleive Cadel is clean.
I'm not convinced that Cadel was better recovered for the TT than the Schlecks, just that he held it together better upstairs. Andy was absolutely bricking it when he went onto the ramp, Cadel had that far away/focus kind of look.
The year Sastre won it was the other way round, Cadel should have slaughtered him in the TT, but looked and rode like a bag of nerves.
The Schlecks can put in a TT which could have left it close on GC, but they do it so rarely, probably one in 5 or 10.
Loving those pictures of the MTB World Cup, he looks about 12!
Matt
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