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oddjob - Member

It seems kid of unimportant next to the other stuff on here today involving death, cancer and so on, but I'll ask anyway.

I have been idieting since March and lost a reasonable amount of weight (14kg) but I haven't been able lose anything in the last 4-6 weeks. Training has gone down a bit since the racing season ended, but I am still sticking to the rules so I was expecting to keep losing weight albeit slowly.

Any suggestions on how I can get rid of the last 5kg (I am currently about 15% body fat and I want to get to about 12%)

Do I need to introduce more strict portion control or worry more about my fat intake as I don't stress about these too much at the moment and my days off sometimes seem to lead to me gaining more weight than I am able to lose during the rest of the week so I am considering changing them to a meal off per week.

Posted 7 months ago #
The Southern Yeti - Member

Out of interest... how are you calculating your BF%?

Posted 7 months ago #
hora - Member

I'd say don't beast yourself and accept that a certain weight will be carried. (All IMO).

Therese another bloke at work- same height as me and same weight yet he looks bloody big/muscular compared (we measured thighs and his are two inch up on mine as well). Plus they say muscle weighs more..

Its just one of those things.

Posted 7 months ago #
don simon - Member

I think I read somewhere that the iDiet is only good until the last 10-15% body fat, then there has to be a significant input from yourself in the form of exercising.
I might, of course, be totally wrong though.

Posted 7 months ago #
oddjob - Member

I am measuring on body fat scales. I know they are not that accurate but I am certainly not below 15%, there is still plenty of flesh to grab onto.

I have been training reasonably well over the summer on the bike and kettlebell and core strength training. Since the racing season finished I have been keeping up with kettle bells and core strength 3 or more times per week so it is not just sofa surfing

I have a feeling that the answer may be intermittent fasting or tight portion controls (which should both work) but I was hoping that there may be a third way which required less effort or thought on my part.

Posted 7 months ago #
The Southern Yeti - Member

Hmmm - tight portion controls may not be the solution. I'm lighter as a result of eating a little more.

Ignore the % thing and concentrate on proper measurements IMO.

Also, why haven't you started base training for next season yet

Posted 7 months ago #
oddjob - Member

First mountain bike race of the winter season yesterday which happened to be my first mountain bike ride since May.

I really sucked!

A serious loss of off road mojo, but i guess, or at least hope it will come back a bit with some more sessions.

Posted 7 months ago #
tails - Member

Have you tried interval training that might work. I've fallen off the idiet in a big way put a stone back on and I don't seem to be able to get back on it. Salad just is not appealing in the autumn.

Posted 7 months ago #
The Southern Yeti - Member

tails - start making massive batches of soup!

Posted 7 months ago #
iDave - Member

what's salad got to do with anything tails? i hardly ever have salad.

Posted 7 months ago #
tails - Member

tails - start making massive batches of soup!

That might be just the ticket for the winter.

what's salad got to do with anything tails? i hardly ever have salad.

It's the only thing the cafe does that's not loaded with carbs!

What do you eat idave? I need stuff thats quick to prepare and can be eaten cold or heated in a microwave or toaster.

Posted 7 months ago #
oddjob - Member

Lots of interval training in the summer, didn't seem to make a huge difference.
2½-3 hours hard training rides with the bike club were effective, but that is a summer thing, winter is time for turbo training and mountain biking.

Looks like I need to introduce more strict fat and portion control then

Posted 7 months ago #
allmountainventure - Member

"Hidden" sugar in your foods?

You could also try going vegetarian for a while.

Posted 7 months ago #
BoardinBob - Member

I need stuff thats quick to prepare and can be eaten cold or heated in a microwave or toaster.

Last night's leftovers. I always make enough to do me for dinner and at least one lunch.

Today's lunch is last night's lentils with red wine and chorizo and will be eaten cold.

Posted 7 months ago #
tails - Member

What about some weight lifting or running if you don't already?

Posted 7 months ago #
tails - Member

Today's lunch is last night's lentils with red wine and chorizo and will be eaten cold.

Can I have the recipe please?

Posted 7 months ago #
BoardinBob - Member

Can I have the recipe please?

http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3795/lentils-with-chorizo-and-red-wine

Posted 7 months ago #
oddjob - Member

I have started some moderate weight lifting type stuff like push ups and I am doing kettle bell exercises. I don't really want to get any extra weight from muscle either as I don't think it will help cycling.

I am pretty careful with other foods (I avoid sausages because of the flour in them etc) I don't eat too many nuts (none if I can manage it) and I drink lots of water. However, I do eat a biggish lunch of meat and salad (with beans if possible) and a big meal in the evening with beans, veg and meat.
I don't stick exclusively to lean meats though, just whatever we happen to be having (often pork as we are in Denmark)

Posted 7 months ago #
oddjob - Member

And I hate running (converted triathlete so I have done plenty of it and never really liked it)

Posted 7 months ago #
petergriffin - Member

Google "ECA stack" or "PAGG Stack" for some pharmaceutical ways to loose body fat. The PAGG is not so hardcore as the ECA. Could also try "ketogenic Diet"
How far you go really depends on how much you really value getting to a low body fat percentage.
I'm not specifically recommending any of them...

Posted 7 months ago #
molgrips - Member

My suggestion would be to do some short bouts of hard lifting, short sprints (I mean 30s - 2 mins short) kettlebell workouts.. sprinting on foot, that kind of thing. Have a read of the Four Hour Body, lots of easy but effective sutff in there. He's all about simulating your body to build itself a bit more which uses energy and changes some hormone profile or something, I forget

Posted 7 months ago #
Konastoner - Member

Oddjob, I have the Four Hour Body on PDF if you want it.

Posted 7 months ago #
iDave - Member

the four hour body is great and has some advice for going the final few kg, which iDave diet won't do. Personally, I haven't yet felt the need to get super lean, I think that's about to change.

i've had good results with clients, some normal bods, some elite athletes who want to lose the last few kg. it takes some **** around with your metabolism and some shocks to the system. all perfectly safe.

Posted 7 months ago #
molgrips - Member

It is liposuction, Dave?

So.. Feb time, in time for the race season I'll be needing to shed that last few kg for some razor race core action.

Posted 7 months ago #
nickname - Member

The fourhourbody has a bit about losing the last few kg as iDave mentions.

Basically quantities get very strict, as do the timings of the meal.

Your meant to eat something like the following every 3 hours (pick an option).

a) White non-fatty fish, some nuts
b) Chicken / Turkey, some nuts
c) Red Meat or fatty fish
d) 5 Whole eggs
e) Whey protein, some nuts

Go easy on any oil, i.e. a table spoon.

Any amount of spinach / cruciferous vedge.

Then one cheat meal every 7-10 days.

Sounds utterly horrid to me, so I won't go this far

Posted 7 months ago #
iDave - Member

sounds horrible to me too and not necessary.

Posted 7 months ago #
derekrides - Member

Nobody came out of Belsen 5 kgs over weight.

Nickname pretty much nails it.

Eat little - weigh little - simples

Posted 7 months ago #
iDave - Member

No one came out of Belsen with much lean body mass either.

Restricted calories isn't sustainable, dieting makes you fat.

And saying 'simples' doesn't make something true, it just makes you sound 12

Posted 7 months ago #
molgrips - Member

Eat little, weigh less, be miserable.

Eat more, still weigh less, be much happier.

Hmm, I wonder which I'd prefer.. mm..

Posted 7 months ago #
takisawa2 - Member

Probably get mocked for this but...I've been using weight watchers online tracker thing for the last 8wks. Lost average of between 1.5 - 2 lbs / week so for. And its been a constant loss, week in - week out. The hardest part of the last 8 weeks has been eating enough. No joke, some days I feel I've really binged. I've done plenty of running, correction...jogging (10min/miles). Theoretically I should be losing plenty more, but I cant help but think that while I am shifting more fat, I'm putting back a bit of muscle.

Performance on the bike has improved no end. I've carried a good few stone more than I should have for the last few years, but feeling fitter than I have in a long time these days.

Posted 7 months ago #
geebus - Member

Don't know anything about the idiet apart from having heard the name.

Anyway, worth a read is 'burn the fat, feed the muscle' - most of it is common sense stuff, but the basic science behind general nutrition and how to achieve your goals is explained.
It's a popular ebook available from various sources I believe.

Posted 7 months ago #
geebus - Member

Oh and - days off - I'm really bad on that a lot of the time; try and make your 'day off' a bit more healthy food, rather than a lot of bad food.

For instance, when I'm being good my 'day off treat' will be a 6' (or foot long but only eat half at a time) subway, but one of the <300 calorie ones. Rather than a pizza, carton of Orange Juice and chocolate desert.

Posted 7 months ago #
tails - Member

Did you find any answers??

Posted 7 months ago #
miketually - Member

Do you need to be leaner?

http://www.jimwendler.com/2011/09/time-to-man-up/

Posted 7 months ago #
The Southern Yeti - Member

How much and what are you eating on your off day that causes such a weight increase?

Not sure if this is strictly allowed but it's bloody lovely...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/pardina_lentils_with_32549

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