[Closed] idieting away the last 5kg. Why isn't it working?

I don't do the [i]day off[/i] thing anymore.
These are an echo from a previous life, for me.
I really do not miss the stuff I use to think I liked, stuff my body would turn into lard.
If you [b]really[/b] can't do without your junk food kick.
Then try increasing the interval between them.
Perhaps a day off every fortnight ?.

iDiet was a good start, and as far as I'm concerned, it gets your head in the right place to begin with.
Kinda like a way-point one should pass along the [i]journey[/i]

Plants and animals.
Cut out processed stuff as far as [b]possible[/b], not as far as is [b]easy[/b]

I'm losing around 0.5 to 1 Kg per week at the moment.
I'm kinda now starting to wonder what to do when I reach a good weight.
I don't want to go on losing weight.
Last Friday I dipped in below the 80Kg, including the cast I [b]was[/b] wearing.
😉

[i]Ok so I have a question. Some people (me included) don't report any weight gain on the morning after treat day, and some report like 2-3kg. Why would that be?[/i]

MG.
Firstly, I only weigh myself once a week.

Secondly, the weight use to come back over a few days, not all by the next morning.

Hey Solo, hope you're on the mend.

IME you don't keep losing weight on this kind of 'XYZ' diet, you stay around 10-12%

How on earth does someone gain 2-3 kg in just one day??

Do you eat bricks?

Solo - how's the recovery coming along? Are you managing to do any exercise?

I don't do the day off thing anymore

The day off is part of it though, just as important as everything else. It helps to stop your metabolism reaching stasis I think. Although you are still losing so that's ok, but if you plateau you might need to do some days off.

Yeti - water retention somehow. Perhaps their gut fills wiht carbs and water I dunno.

I am fairly sure that the weight is water retained as most of it goes again in 48 hours.
I don't eat masses of junk as nearly all of the food is home made (except the chocolate)

It seems odd, but the day off has become something for the rest of the family as much as it is for me. I make the kids pancakes for breakfast, then we make dinner together in the evening (pizza or whatever). Otherwise we are eating with friends or some such thing where you just eat what is put in front of you. This week is my sons birthday so I am sure there'll be a weird meal and cake involved.
I'll try to drop the day off for a while, but I have read in numerous places that it is important to at least have a meal off each week to help weight loss.

Oddjob - yes Saturday is family treat day, often involving the Krispy Kreme doughnut shop in town 🙂

Mrs Grips is idieting through the week though and Lil Grips seems more than happy eating just meat and veg.

I've added desserts to my daily diet the last couple of weeks and have dropped a couple of lbs. Despite no real exercise.

Is there something in custard that aids weight loss?

(serious question)

iDave.

Hi 😀
Yes, I wanted the cast taking off after 10 days, but had to wait for an appointment, so in total, had the cast on for 17 days.
Ulna is back together already and in general the wrist feels very good.
Still some ligament / soft tissue healing to go, but I'm thinking moderate use is the best way to sort that.
So while after having the cast removed, I was given two splints, I only used them Sat and Sun.
Into work this week the wrist is unbound and free.
I have to admit to being very pleased with the speed of my recovery so far, from what looked in the x-ray as some nasty stuff.
I've even been a bit cheeky and have been out on the bike, after fearing I would be off two wheels for the remainder of this year.
I guess I've had a bit of luck with respect to my recovery.
Might be something to do with diet as far not starting out with residual levels of inflamation and stimulation of my imune system from poor diet, etc.
Maybe ?.

Anyway, its all alot better than I was initially led to believe.
even the staff at the hopsital had slightly disbeleiving / cautious looks on their faces as I left the plaster room, a castless person.
The specialist even did a double check before letting me go.
😀

Happy days.
I took riding a bike for granted, until the crash.

Good to hear that you mended well.

I am happy to be rid of grains and eat beans instead, but I don't really understand why beans are better than grains.

I'll just carry on and be happy that they are though

oddjob - grains are fast-release carbs, beans are slow release.

Yeti - I reached my lowest sustainable weight in Germany whilst eating two or three twixes a day...

[i]but I don't really understand why beans are [b]better[/b] than grains.[/i]

This is only perhaps true in the iDiet context, but in the grander scheme of things.
Well, I have mostly ditched the beans now, put it that way.
Although I do eat hummus.
BUT, if you're happy to stick with them, thats fine.
😉

As iDave has posted a buzzillion times, it all starts with insulin response.
Be aware of this when making your dietary choices and the rest will eventually fall into place, ime, with a bit of reading also.
🙂

Molly - was that as your post workout carbs? Or just because they're tasty?

I made some roasted pepper, chilli and garlic humus at the weekend and it is/was yummy

I get the insulin thing. It looks like the beans are better than grains, but still cause some insulin release.

It was all brought home to me this week to find out that the reason my step brother has lost about 20kg in the last few months without trying is that he has type 1 diabetes. Unfortunately for him.

Er well I think I was not getting enough carbs in general at that time cos of the 18 mile commute.. so they were perhaps helping me ride harder. But they were throughout the day, after meat/veg meals too. If your muscle glycogen stores are depleted then insulin is actually a good thing cos it causes your muscles to replenish themselves.

Most food causes some insulin release, you just want to minimise it. However.. I did read on one forum that baked beans particularly were bad because of how long they are cooked causing the proteins to break down or something. So that now makes me wonder about doing other beans in the slow cooker...

Where do you and Solo get all this insulin wisdom?

Google not work for you?

http://www.mendosa.com/insulin_index.htm
http://www.ajcn.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf+html
http://tinyurl.com/6fa5e7m

EDIT but beware, this way confusion lies, because the insulin indices in these articles do somewhat conflict with the iDiet.. but I think the criteria for iDiet foods is somewhat different. For example, the lowest insulin score is peanuts, but I can testify that if you fill your face with peanuts you will not lose weight because of the overall calorie content which is still important although less so.

I thought I'd let you look clever 🙂

Not sure how much further iDiet can take me, just generally interested.
Have been reading a bit about nutrition for triathalons and I might not be eating enough for the exercise I've been doing.

Well then just try eating a bit more, and see if your training gets better?

[i]Not sure how much further iDiet can take me, just generally interested.
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TSY, not that you need me to tell you this, but you are a [i]special[/i] case, so [i]regular[/i] weight control via diet and exercise will, I would have thought, be of limited use to you.

You seem to exercise so much that you could probably mitigate consuming nearly anything you wished to eat.

However, I have come to realize that there is soooo much more to creating your dietary choice template, than simply watching your weight and having enough energy to go play at whatever sport flicks your switch.

🙂

Most food causes some insulin release, you just want to minimise it.

You don't, you really don't !!

What you want to do is regulate your insulin release and smooth out the "peaks and troughs", not minimise it.
No insulin = no muscle/liver glycogen = no endurance.

As for beans vs grains, some beans cooked some ways will have a higher GI than some grains cooked some ways.
I mean c'mon, all this faffing around with gram flour - do you honestly think a finely ground, pan fried gramcake is really that better than a whole grain oat and rye bread with some linseeds/pumpkin seeds ?
Do you really think a big pile of parsnip and sweet potato mash is better than a slow baked jacket potato ?
Do you really think that cutting out fruit all together is really a good idea for a long term eating plan ?
Is a bowl of wholegrain oat cereal and some yoghurt a worse breakfast than fried chorizo and eggs ?
Has anyone explained why red wine is 'OK' but other alcohol isn't ?
Is a weekly binge eat on your 'day off' a healthy routine ?

More questions than answers really.......

HD.

Yes, I'm not aiming to prevent insulin release, even if that were possible.

[i]I mean c'mon, all this faffing around with gram flour - do you honestly think a finely ground, pan fried gramcake is really that better than a whole grain oat and rye bread with some linseeds/pumpkin seeds[/i]
Where would you like me to start ?.
With the storage of grain on the farm ?
Dude, if I had to eat bread, it would be white bread.
Anyway, right back at you 🙂 why are you eating bread ?.
Your body didn't evolve its marvelously complex digestive system in order to get the most out of bread.
Answers along the line of "[i]cos it tastes nice[/i]" will be socred as FAIL.
😉

[i]Do you really think that cutting out fruit all together is really a good idea for a long term eating plan ?[/i]
Go tell it to the Eskimos.
🙂

[i]Is a bowl of wholegrain oat cereal and some yoghurt a worse breakfast than fried chorizo and eggs ?[/i]
Oh yeah !.

[i]Has anyone explained why red wine is 'OK' but other alcohol isn't ?[/i]
I view it as red wine being the least worst of the bunch.

[i]Is a weekly binge eat on your 'day off' a healthy routine ?[/i]
Please define "[i][b]Healthy[/b][/i]"

I think the day off thing is more a pyshological support than an essential part of things. Imo.

🙂

Can I haz question now ?

Are we, today, evolved to live as humans did during the last 2 million years ?.

Or are we evolved to eat farm products, baring in mind agriculture has only been around for a few seconds on the evolutionary time scale ?...

(I draw a distinction between stuff produced on a farm and just up-scaling the production of stuff that was/is available in the wild)

cutting fruit from six days out of seven is not cutting it out all together
besides
fruit is packed with sugar (bad news for a weight loss diet) and contains no more vitamin benefit than a seven seas multivitamin.

Or are we evolved to eat farm products, baring in mind agriculture has only been around for a few seconds on the evolutionary time scale ?...

Solo - Member
Anyway, right back at you why are you eating bread ?.

Your body didn't evolve its marvelously complex digestive system in order to get the most out of bread

No. but salivery amylase sure does a good job pre-digesting bread 😉

Is a bowl of wholegrain oat cereal and some yoghurt a worse breakfast than fried chorizo and eggs ?
Oh yeah !.

Hmmmm, high saturated fat content foods cooked by frying, better than wholegrain cereal/seeds and fermented diary products, not on my planet 'dude'

I view it as red wine being the least worst of the bunch.

If Dr Roberts is right then whilst we didn't evolve to eat cooked food, learning to cook was a catalyst in our evolution.

People have been eating grains for millenia... obesity hasn't always been an issue though.

soobalias - Member
fruit is packed with sugar (bad news for a weight loss diet) and contains no more vitamin benefit than a seven seas multivitamin.

Fruit sugars in combination with the soluble fibre content of the fruit act differently to a spoon of table sugar

As for multivits 🙄

why ?? because it's iDaves tipple of choice

[i]I think giving an evolution argument can be a tricky path to follow, as the follow on question is invariably along the lines of - "Are we evolved to eat cooked foods then?", which opens another can of worms (fried or fresh). [/i]

Fair point, we're each allowed our opinions.
🙂

I happen to believe that humans have evolved to make good use of some cooked foods.

don simon - Member

Which one is best? I know which one I choose and why.

That's the fundamental difference I think.
I don't subscribe to the "good food/bad food" way of thinking, far too simplistic, (IMO) any unprocessed food stuff can be incorporated into a sustainably healthy diet, if you want to eat by the "is it on the list" principle then that's your choice, just make sure it's [i]your[/i] list 😉

Solo, I too will also be keeping to cooked bacon in a bacon buttie 😀

I won't be able to keep this up all day, work must prevail.
But..

[i]Good source of fibre, B vitamins and carbohydrates and tasty with it[/i]
We do not need anywhere near as much fibre as you are suggesting.
Vit B and carbs come from other superior sources.
Also, you mentioned taste, so you have failed.
🙁

[i]No. but salivery amylase sure does a good job [s]pre-digesting[/s] [b]coping with[/b] bread[/i]
There, I've fixed that for you.
😉

[i]Hmmmm, high saturated fat content foods cooked by frying, better than wholegrain cereal/seeds and fermented diary products, not on my planet 'dude'[/i]
Sat fats have had a bad press.
Why are Sat Fats a problem ?.
You're belief is based on the Ancel Keys stuff ?.
Our ancestors consumed Sat fats and did well on it, in other words, we're equiped not only to deal with sat fats, but to use them.

Wholegrain cereal. Please provide your clinical evidence that grain is good.
Please explain about the effects of the lectin, phytate and gluten.
Especially interested about the Phytate please and how it effects the nutrients contained in the grain.
🙂

[i]why ?? because it's iDaves tipple of choice[/i]
Nope, cos its what people have found.
Trial and error mate.
Its the human way, don'tcha know.
😀

[i]Solo, I too will also be keeping to cooked bacon in a bacon buttie[/i]

Glad to read that.

I was worried there for a minute.

C'mon Solo... whilst you may be right on a lot of things...

Bread is one of man's greatest inventions! Sliced bread was a step backwards, and still people struggle to think of things that are better than it!

[i]Bread is one of man's greatest inventions! Sliced bread was a step backwards, and still people struggle to think of things that are better than it!
[/i]

😆 😆

Hi TSY. How is your knee, leg, the thing you had a problem with a few weeks ago ?.

carbs are for energy. if you're not exercising enough the body stores that energy in fat. you can also use fat as fuel for exercise and to fuel recovery. sugars cause a big insulin response which can lead to fat gains and insulin insensitivity.

this 'diet' is a simple way to manipulate these factors. that's all. i'm sure you can pick holes in it, but the plan some of you have followed was generic to help as many people as possible lose fat who have many different lifestyles. it seems to have done that more effectively than 'eat less exercise more', which I have personally tried and found pretty lacking.

with the athletes and normal bods I work with professionally, things get more complex and also more effective. many of them start skeptical then get pissed off that no one has pointed certain things out to them before and then they get angry at the health/fitness/nutrition industry.

personally i choose to buy ingredients and cook stuff, i drink wine, i don't find it a flaff to make a flat bread, and I would appear to be healthy. do what you want to do, eat what you want to eat. I'm not actually that bothered what anyone else does. I do think the population is being fed a lot of shit, both as food and as information.

Bread is one of man's greatest inventions!

I agree wholeheartedly, unfortunately I have a habit of Buy Loaf, Cut Loaf, Eat Loaf in the space of a day...

. How is your knee, leg, the thing you had a problem with a few weeks ago ?.

Still no riding, running, climbing, yoga... it's all about upper body weights and swimming with a pull buoy for the time being.

Slowly gaining more mobility, can bend it a little beyound 90 deg so hopefully be in the saddle within a week 🙂

Solo - Member
I won't be able to keep this up all day, work must prevail.

don't bother, bored already 😉

Please provide your clinical evidence that grain is good.

Trial and error mate.
Its the human way, don'tcha know.

So which is it to be, clinical evidence or trial and error, you can't have it both ways ....

... anyway, I do broadly agree with iDave - fat people obviously need guidance in how to feed themselves and the iGuidleines are a good generic basis for many people.
Also agree with

I do think the population is being fed a lot of shit, both as food and as information.

Which is why I base my eating around a mix of unprocessed seasonal foods rather than have a list of Good Food/Bad Food......

Thankfully crisps are in season at the mo 😀

[i]the plan some of you have followed was [b]generic[/b] to help as many people as possible lose fat [b]who have many different lifestyles[/b]. it seems to have done that more effectively than 'eat less exercise more', which I have personally tried and found pretty lacking.
[/i]

Couldn't agree more.

[i]get pissed off that no one has pointed certain things out to them before and then they get angry at the health/fitness/nutrition industry[/i]
Thats exactly what I've been through.
The "[i]Why didn't anyone tell me this before[/i]" experience.

[i]I do think the population is being fed a lot of shit, both as food and as information.[/i]
Oh yeah.
😉

[i]swimming with a pull buoy [/i]
You is a crazy mad man !.
😀

[i]Slowly gaining more mobility, can bend it a little beyound 90 deg so hopefully be in the saddle within a week[/i]
Good stuff, glad to learn its all getting better.
Its a bitch when you can't just jump onto a bike and go, eh ?.
🙂

HD.

I'd still like to read your proof that bread in inherently good for us.
Seeds or no.....

No ?, oh well, thanks for posting anyway.
😀

[i]Thankfully crisps are in season at the mo[/i]
So is bread, and according to some, it is what we have evolved to eat and survive on.

Seeing as I haven't eaten bread for months now.

I must be dead.
😯

idave
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