I just thought it was like some weird fight club thing...
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The last time you did what ........call me "patronising" ?
Nope.
Oh alright then...........shame .....I was amusing myself
That, actually.
so you're talking shite again Woppit
If you say so. I'm sure you know best.
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And so we find ourselves in the desperately sad situation today, where the present youth have nothing which they can call their own - everything is marketed and sold to them. Tragically, they are perfectly willing to oblige and conform, without the slightest inclination to rebel
Couldn't agree more Ernie. Music should come from the soul. Bring back flower power.
Peace.
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Music should come from the soul. Bring back flower power.
Peace.
Bless you my child.
As I said ........."I had considerable more time for hippies"
And I was indeed a big Neil Young fan. In fact it was Neil Young who was the first person to break the hold Motown/Soul/Reggae had on me.
Actually it was this one, which first made me sit up and notice Neil Young : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOl01vKXv6I
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Good link there and that footage was most enjoyable! Neil Young manages to produce some brilliant stuff as well as some truly awful offerings - you never know whether you will love or hate an album.
I just detest the posturings these days - so shallow. Blimey, am sounding truly ancient here!
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Quadrophenia is on ITV4 at 11.40. That's in 20 minutes.
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And so we find ourselves in the desperately sad situation today, where the present youth have nothing which they can call their own - everything is marketed and sold to them. Tragically, they are perfectly willing to oblige and conform, without the slightest inclination to rebel
You've come up with some shit in your time, but this...this is just so dull , so predictable that clearly you've no effing idea what's going on in the music industry right now.
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you've no effing idea what's going on in the music industry right now.
I imagine, and I can only imagine as I haven't been in the UK for 10 years, that the mass market of music is provided by corporations and marketing teams. Dig a little deeper and you should find grass roots music. This was a service provided by the late, great John Peel. I imagine that this did not die with him. Maybe the music which gets the exposure is the crap which the majority follow, but the new, innovative music driven by the artists exists. Look for it.
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If you're sitting at home whinging about the youth of today having no backbone.. and then tuning in the wireless to listen to their corporate approved playlists to prove your point.. or attending a few goverment sanctioned pop festivals.. then having a rant about it with your middle class middle aged muckers on an interminably dull and jaded web forum.. then I imagine that your reactionary stance that you learnt from every generation that has ever gone before will cause you some dissatisfaction.. if only because you are realising that you have inperceptably become the very institution that you thought you despised as a fresh faced speed addled teenager..
I like that John Peel has passed.. thus severing the leak that allowed the ageing and desperately unhip to 'connect' with what might be happening.
Politics has been made dull.. and protest is futile.. enjoy what you've got.. it's easy if you try..
I think really we have to blame the internet.. anything is available for anyone who cares to look.. there is no mystery and certainly no offshore pirate Deejays living out their own fading rebel fantasies.. Uniting and subversing the tender young minds of our nations youth with their risque innuendo..
vive la difference
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nickc - Member
You've come up with some shit in your time, but this...this is just so dull , so predictable that clearly you've no effing idea what's going on in the music industry right now.
I reckon your comment says more about how little you know about the sixties, than my comment says how little I do about what's going on in the music industry right now.
Firstly of you read my posts you would have seen that I wasn't just talking about music but also fashion, lifestyles, politics, etc.
Quite unlike today, the changes and the radical challenging of the existing status quote which effected youth during the sixties, were overwhelmingly lead by the youth themselves.
Youth had real power and real influence. They were as vital to the ending of the Vietnam War as the Vietcong themselves. They were the driving force behind the new "permissiveness". In France they nearly brought about the collapse of one of the most stable countries in the world. From the west coast of America the hippy movement, with it's lifestyle and new morality, spread throughout the western world. In London, LSE students provided a constant headline grabbing radical challenge.
There is nothing comparable this today. And there is nothing which compares with The Kinks, The Animals, or The Rolling Stones either. These weren't obscure bands which the older generation had "no effing idea" about. These were a global phenomena who grabbed the headlines, however much the establishment disapproved.
Liverpool didn't become the most important city in the world for music (with it's huge economic impact on Britain) because it was the centre of the established British music industry. It was simply because that's the way youth culture at that time happened to develop.
Today there is no Woodstock/3 day nation phenomena; James Taylor, Carol King. These were not "manufactured" bands, artists, or music - massive as they were - they had their very roots in the youth of the time.
Rightly or wrongly, youth in the sixties had some power and influence - much to the annoyance of the establishment; which was conservative, pro-war, racist, anti long hair/scruffy clothes, anti gay, and anti rock music, etc, etc. I can't see how anyone can argue that the situation is the same today.
Finally nickc, your post was clearly full of anger. Now I don't if you'd had a bad day, but I can't imagine getting angry on a thread on a internet MTB forum which is discussing youth culture in the sixties. I would suggest that you save your anger for more appropriate issues.......that's a TopTip that is
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Yawn.
Is that the time?
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Yes.......go to bed
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I'm going, I'm going...
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Amazingly, I find myself actually agreeing with e_l's last post. The Beatles were not manufactured, they were managed, and advised on what to wear, but were they just a bunch of lads who answered an ad in a trade paper and had all the songs given to them? 'course they frakkin' weren't! They all knew one another and hung out. They wrote their own songs, and that immediately set them apart from all the Pat Boone's then filling the charts, who sang songs supplied by the Tin Pan Alley/Brill Building writers like Goffin and King. The Who weren't a manufactured band, anymore than the Kinks or the Stones. The Monkees were put together as an answer to the Beatles, but, despite having a great songwriter in Michael Nesmith, most of their material was supplied by the likes of Neil Diamond. Chart music nowadays is sadly full of stuff that is just churned out to fit a template, put together by producers who find some kids who has the right look and attitude, using autotune to disguise the fact few can actually sing, thrown over a bunch of samples and preset rhythms. On the occasions when I spend any time at work having to listen to Radio 1 on iPlayer, I honestly cannot identify a single act, apart from the odd occasion when Fern plays someone like Laura Marling, who does have an identifiable voice. Part of the problem seems to be that a lot of teenagers listen to music through their mobile's speaker, so there's just a tinny buzz; what the act actually sounds like is totally irrelevant, everything sounds the same anyway. At least 6Music is still there for those who actually like music.
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ernie_lynch - Member
From the eighties onwards, all youth fashion, music, and life styles, was completely dominated by business interests.
I'm sure that'll come as a surprise to anyone who's ever been into hardcore (punk), the college rock scene that morphed into indie rock breaking out of the underground, hip hop (the 4 elements, not the bastardised product you see on MTV Base) or rave culture/the free party scene.
All from the eighties onwards and all of which defy your statement.
Read:
Our Band Could Be Your Life: Scenes from the American Indie Underground, 1981-1991 by Michael Azerrad
Get in the Van (The Black Flag Tour Diaries) by Henry Rollins
Read Steven Blush's American Hardcore or watch Paul Rachman's documentary of the same name.
If you're looking for fiercely independent youth culture you're bound to note obvious parallels.
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Nah it was only hundred. It just felt like thousands because it took so long at 20mph.
Nah, only kidding. Scooters are ok, quite cute really. I've got nothing against them. Might buy me mum one.
You do know that all the mirrors were to provide extra rear visibility to see other vehicles bearing down on you, so that you could get out of the way?
Just for info mate, i covered over 300 miles this weekend no problem. 100 of those miles were on the motorway where it quite happily sat at 70mph. Not bad for a 50 year old shopping bike eh?
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Futureboy77 - Member
Just for info mate, i covered over 300 miles this weekend no problem. 100 of those miles were on the motorway where it quite happily sat at 70mph. Not bad for a 50 year old shopping bike eh?I suspect it is because you have a bit of a better budget than an 18 year old 60's spotty youth with no mechanical nous or tools with a very secondhand machine.
Nothing intrinsically wrong with a scooter mechanically, but give me a Velo any day (first bike to average 100mph for 24 hours). In those days there wasn't much difference in the cost of a secondhand scooter or a proper motorbike. The big difference was the scooter owner stayed clean, the motorbike owner inevitably got oilstained.
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