Hurrah for Eric Pickles and his masterclass on how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I bet Ed is breathing a huge sigh of relief this morning.

Because of bin collection? I doubt it. Or is it something that matters which I’ve missed?

you sir are presumably a Labour supporter and wearing your optimistic pants this morning

Wrong on both counts. I do however, hate the **** tories with a passion, especially ones who can announce that they’ve managed to find a quarter of a billion £’s to fund weekly bin collections the same day that 1000 naval personnel are being told they’ve been made redundant.

Christ! The Daily Mail must be close to orgasmic. Bin collection being, in their eyes, number one on the political agenda. Bins seem to foaming right-wing nutters, be what fox-hunting is to lefties

Can only those to the right of you be “foaming nutters”, binners? Or is it fair to say that there’s a fair share of swivel eyed loons on every part of the political spectrum?

Perception is a funny thing.
I’m no leftie but I’m happy with fortnightly bin collection (it encourages us to recycle IMO) and hate fox hunting.
I also oppose any privatisation of schools and the NHS.

There are indeed nutters on both sides Flashy. That’s why I included the fox-hunting analogy. I never understood people getting so apoplectic about the subject. Apart from on a purely class war basis. The fact that so much parliamentry time was devoted to it is insane in my eyes

Same as the whole bins thing. Whats the problem? I don’t really get the Daily Mail “IT IS MY DIVINE RIGHT TO NOT RECYCLE ANYTHING AND THROW OUT AS MUCH SHIT AS I DAMN WELL PLEASE!!!”

and then expecting to be applauded for that statement

I think we have to agree re hunting Binners, though I suspect from different angles. An absurd pandering to class warriors on the left and a total waste of parliamentary time when there were better things to focus on. Much the same as this bin issue. It’s hardly the most pressing matter du jour, now is it?

The bins thing is a good move, its the first step in the master plan that means you don’t need to do the recycling, it gets shipped direct to “Her Majesties Prison and Central Recycling Depot” where good use is put to all that wasted manpower!

Now then the real political genius was the 80mph speed limit – which we all know is a mandatory standardisation dictat from Europe so that we match the continental 130kph limit – but the Conservative party can never admit to it being a rule from Europe, so have glossed it over as their own initiative, (Tin foil hat firmly on!) and cleverly released on the day when the six-o’clock news and following newspaper headlines would have all been all about Harperson’s rousing speech closing the Labour conference, and pegging her as the natural successor to red Ed…

Instead however, Harpersons speech didn’t hit the headlines at all, and our abiding memory of conference will be this massacre:
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDI7hxSXNSo&feature=player_embedded[/video]

Unfortunately Captain, I suspect in Call-me-Daves Chipping Norton, Daily Mail-land it probably is the most pressing matter

More Tunbridge Wells than the Nortons, Binners! 😉

zulu-eleven

Hadn’t seen that vid – a vote winner for sure 😆

Sorry Captain, I get disorientated anywhere south of Stoke 😀

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Wrong on both counts.

Do you really think the Pickles’ bins thing is anything more than a blip compared to the Eds disaster then?

Pickles is just pandering to his core vote. Ed is just panda-ing

An absurd pandering to class warriors on the left

how? You lot were always telling us it was an egalitarian cross section of society who took part.
It is BS argument that class is an issue in this. The rich and wealthy throw it out [ disingenuously]to avoid discussing the real issue which is that most folk find fox hunting abhorrent.
I am not sure that the majority of Tory voters actually support it tbh.

I want to be all for the workers/people. I just find them so awful.

Up the Right!

avoid discussing the real issue which is that most folk find fox hunting abhorrent

Actually, I think you’ll find that most people really couldn’t give a flying **** about foxhunting or any other animal welfare issue, as long as they’re able to get their £1.99 bumper pack of turkey twizzlers – let alone be politically motivated enough to support any party on the basis of their policies on the issue, or think that the (ineffectual) ban was anything but a huge waste of money and parliamentary time 😐

Now, if you would like to discuss an animal welfare issue that most people do find utterly abhorrent, then take a look at religious slaughter of animals (Halal and Kosher) and tell me why Labour, if they really were motivated by anything other than “class war”, did absolutely jack all about it?

Is it because Tony Blair secretly owned a string of Kosher Kebab houses in Prestwich?

Wunundred! 😀

That is the limit of my ineretest in this thread, other than to say that the Millibrand is crap; even if it were 99% off in LiDLs I still woon’t buy it.

an animal welfare issue that most people do find utterly abhorrent, then take a look at religious slaughter of animals (Halal and Kosher)

I think you’ll find that there are an awful lot of people who are blissfully ignorant of that and a similar amount who don’t care as long as they get their doner kebab on a Friday night.

The moslem community also respresents a sizeable Labour vote so there is no way they are going to upset them.

Principals in today’s politics are only followed (and ditched) depending on popularity and votes.

At the risk of going off on a tangent, can anyone explain how Spain is allowed to continue with the barbaric slaughter of bulls for sport?

Ed Millibands conference speech…

I bet he can use an apostrophe correctly though.

then take a look at religious slaughter of animals (Halal and Kosher)

Do you actually know anything about this, or just what you (mis)read in the Daily Fail?

The moslem community also respresents a sizeable Labour vote so there is no way they are going to upset them.

All Muslims vote Labour then? What about Jews?

Well I never. You learn something new everyday, don’t you?

Who do Buddhists vote for?

Do you actually know anything about this, or just what you (mis)read in the Daily Fail?

Yes

I’ve worked in a slaughterhouse, have seen it done close as you like, and formed my own opinion on how humane non-stunned slaughter is 😕

and your next question?

Thanks for your contribution to the debate there glenh. Invaluable. Thank the lord for people like you. So selflessly ready to correct all our grammatical errors

Seriously… thanks

I’ve worked in a slaughterhouse, have seen it done close as you like, and formed my own opinion on how humane non-stunned slaughter is

So, what’s yer problem then?

(Other than the obvious; being a narrow-minded bigot, of course…)

What, exactly, is bigoted, about believing that slaughtering without stunning exposes the animal to an unnecessarily greater level of stress and pain than the alternative, mon petit Napoleon?

C’mon – what makes me a bigot?

Apparently it’s because you disagree with the Small Hitter. Didn’t you get the memo?

narrow-minded bigot,

Mr Pot etc…

Sorry CFH, must have missed it

oh, sorry, you said the Small Hitter – I’d accidentally read an l instead of a t 😉

C’mon – what makes me a bigot?

Erm, the fact that you’re a bigot? 😕

You advocate chasing a wild animal to the point of exhaustion, then ripped apart by a pack of baying hounds, and you want anyone to take you seriously over the slaughter of animals in the UK for food?

‘Ooh, don’t worry about what I do, look at what those nasty Muslims and Jews are up to!!!’

Total hypocrite. 🙄

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdQxDO1lBJc[/video]

Oh blimey! It’s all going off!

Well, the big difference there of course mon petit, is the fact that, in many circumstances, the alternative method of control is less humane* than the hunt… an accusation that, from experience, I can guarantee cannot be leveled against religious slaughter

(* and over the years I’ve used every single legal method of fox control, so speak from experience on the issue, that from a humanity and efficacy basis, in upland areas of the UK, I would choose hunting over the alternative methods 80% of the time)

Tell me, Napoleon… exactly what experience do you have of slaughter methods, or indeed of fox control, or is your knowledge on the issues involved entirely picked from the pages of socialist worker?
😉

Somewhere in a dank, dark Hackney squat….

😉

exactly what experience do you have of slaughter methods

I’ve witnessed a number of Halal slaughters, and jolly well have not seen the kind of suffering of the animals that equates to being chased to exhaustion, in sheer terror probably, then ripped to pieces by a pack of hounds.

Tell me, Napoleon

Consider yerself told, Attila…

(Oh, and have a bit of a read up on Halal slaughter and stunning. You might be quite surprised…)

Oh blimey! It’s all going off!

Don’t take much, does it Binners? 😉

Meanwhile, in a Pimlico flat paid for by Mater and Pater…

Medieval halal slaughter has no place in modern society and should be banned

Good God, another one??? 😯

Fancy a kebab, Binners? Halal, obviously, I know you won’t eat owt else… 😉

Medieval halal slaughter has no place in modern society and should be banned

+1. It’s barbaric, as is fox hunting.

The kebabs at my favouritest place are all halal Fred. I suppose I could ask them to put a stop to that. I’m sure they won’t mind.

I miss my Friday lunchtime mixed kebabs 🙁

The International Fund for Animal Welfare commissioned an Ipsos Mori poll last summer that found strong cross-party support for maintaining the ban, with more Conservative supporters backing the act than opposing it (62% v 33%). Overall, 75% of the British public do not want foxhunting to be made legal again, it showed.

A YouGov poll carried out for the Protecting Animals in Democracy (PAD) campaign published at the weekend revealed that animal welfare issues such as hunting and animal experimentation are deemed to be an important election issue for 41% of the British public. The same poll found that only 21% believing that there is very little animal cruelty in Britain today. “This is the first time that the enormous political significance of animal welfare issues has come to light,” said Dr Dan Lyons, head of campaigns at PAD and an honorary research fellow in politics at the University of Sheffield, said: “It’s a clear warning to the parties that support for cruel practices like hunting could prove politically disastrous.”

just to keep you frothing and ignoring the facts its from the Guardian so obviously part of the class war that oppresses a tenanted worker like yourself 😀

I await with interest you halal/kosher research