Don't know if this has been done yet but apparently this is under discussion again with a sizeable chunk of the population in favour.
Personally I would say no. Violence is no way to treat small children.
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Corporal Punishment - Discuss
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what about big children?
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who would they get to deliver the punishments? a hooded anonymous man with big shoulders and no emotions?
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with a sizeable chunk of the population in favour
who? I don't believe this.
it'll never happen.
they don't do it with adults, why do it to children?Posted 8 months ago # -
I'm in favour of corporal punishment for politicians who break the rules. Preferably, served in public too.
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can I use my 'all kids love getting caned these days' gag on two different threads on the same day..?
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No.
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Lochgelly
6 of the best.
Was a bunch of Libral ****ts that got that banned from schools in the 80's and look where we are now.
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Could I have a link please?
what's the context- schools, home, parents, teachers, banning, allowing?
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between consenting adults, cool, enjoy
not to control kids though, once you have to resort to violence, you've lost whatever it was you were arguing about. I think my dad raised his voice to me ONCE, it was enough.
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Was a bunch of Libral ****ts that got that banned from schools in the 80's and look where we are now.
Yes, really. You mean you think the banning of caning directly led to people being susceptible to logical fallacies?
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Yes, really. You mean you think the banning of caning directly led to people being susceptible to logical fallacies?
He's probably read it in the Mail. Something starting: "Research has shown..."
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Depends on the context and what you consider corporal punishment.
As a first [and then logically last] line of discipline then no.
At a point reached after other techniques have failed, then yes.
There is also a very clear line between an open handed smack on the tushie and physical abuse of a child.
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Anybody who shops in an out of town superstore cannot support caning.
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There is also a very clear line between an open handed smack on the tushie and physical abuse of a child
Really? Where is that line?
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they don't do it with adults, why do it to children?
Really? You should tell the baton wielding gun toting Police that!
There is also a very clear line between an open handed smack on the tushie and physical abuse of a child
Really? Where is that line?
This is one problem of course. Some of the population are unable to tell.
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Some of the population are unable to tell
and some kids have figured out that they are 'untouchable' and act as such - so is it best to expel them from education/society or use corporal punishment?
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Really? You should tell the baton wielding gun toting Police that!
Indeed.
and some kids have figured out that they are 'untouchable' and act as such - so is it best to expel them from education/society or use corporal punishment?
I'm suspicious of this as just ignorant rhetoric, do you have any concrete examples?
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The problems with children & youths in our society are largely attributable to the rise of the single parent family, headed by a female unable to dish out discipline (even of the non-violent variety), and the fact that we seem to actively encourage single parent families.
Look at the under-performing kids in any school class...the majority are single parents kids.
Look at children involved in crime...ditto.
Look at maladjusted children...ditto.
Now, obviously we need to support single parent families in any way we can...but we shouldn't be encouraging them or pretended that it is an entirely-acceptable way to bring up children.
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there's tons of examples of kids/people acting as if they are untouchable in society.
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The problems with children & youths in our society are largely attributable to the rise of the single parent family, headed by a female unable to dish out discipline (even of the non-violent variety), and the fact that we seem to actively encourage single parent families.
Look at the under-performing kids in any school class...the majority are single parents kids.
Look at children involved in crime...ditto.
Look at maladjusted children...ditto.
Now, obviously we need to support single parent families in any way we can...but we shouldn't be encouraging them or pretended that it is an entirely-acceptable way to bring up children
I do not think this is true, can you back it up?
I am convinced the problem is due to lack of community, most of which has been brought about by the car. Nobody works with their neighbours or shops from their neighbours anymore, people live huddled together on estates but do not interact with each other. It's made even worse by "choice" of where to send your kids to school. My nephew has boys the same age living either side of him and all three of them go to different state schools. Ban out of town shopping centres, ban commuting, bring back high streets and local supply, make people know each other. Then there will be awesome peer pressure on everyone to behave and look after each other.
there's tons of examples of kids/people acting as if they are untouchable in society.
Show me one then? It sounds like Daily Mail bollocks to me.
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won't last long though - they must be an infringement on their human rights...
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This isn't an example of kids/people acting as though they are untouchable is it?
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Amazing how many on here think they know about children and discipline.
Looking at some of the comments, not sure if some of you are barely out of nappies.
Other than having 3 kids, and being a teacher in secondary and having a wife who is in teaching what do I know?
Yes get rid of the belt, but no one came up with an alternative that works.
Back in the 80's you would be unlucky to use the belt more 3 times a year.
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teachers with nothing to resort to - and the kids know it
my mother worked in a school for maladjusted girls - the type of school where the kids half-inch cutlery knives at dinner time if they got a chance, and when the girls were about to leave school a significant proportion would get pregnant so they could enroll on societies gravy train.
sister, her ex, and my cousin are all teachers
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toys19 - Member
I am convinced the problem is due to lack of community, most of which has been brought about by the car. Nobody works with their neighbours or shops from their neighbours anymore, people live huddled together on estates but do not interact with each other. It's made even worse by "choice" of where to send your kids to school. My nephew has boys the same age living either side of him and all three of them go to different state schools. Ban out of town shopping centres, ban commuting, bring back high streets and local supply, make people know each other. Then there will be awesome peer pressure on everyone to behave and look after each other.To an extent I agree, but I would have thought car use is pretty low in inner cities where these problems are rife.
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car use is pretty low in inner cities where these problems are rife.
Indeed and a big part of the problem here is that decent jobs, decent schools and decent shopping is only accessible by car, so you have concentrations of unemployment, poor education and poor nutrition which leads to poor outcomes.
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id of loved it if my old food tec teacher spanked me...
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lowey, that is too close to the truth it isn't funny.
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Really? Where is that line?
This is one problem of course. Some of the population are unable to tell.
So, do tell me, or do i have to list a load of physical actions and then you tell me which has crossed the line?Much easier, if you tell me 2 very similar punishments, on each side of the line. Can you do that?
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What country has the lowest crime and how do they differ from us?
With the amount of stonings, beheadings and hand cutting off that go on in the world maybe these things aren't a deterrent but a cheap punishment. Got to say cane teenage idiots but no stoning of raped women.Posted 8 months ago # -
if you tell me 2 very similar punishments, on each side of the line. Can you do that
this side - canning on the buttocks - no harm done.
that side - anything else
try that for starters.
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I do not think this is true, can you back it up?
My mother worked in a school, my partner 'works with children', her father was a Policeman. I've seen proof that convinces me 100%. There is an absolute cast iron correlation between low educational standards, crime and single parent families. Does that mean there are no super intelligent law abiding educated children of single parent families? Of course not! I'm sure there are many very successful dingle parent families.
I'm fairly certain that proof is also in the public domain, but as being PC is more important that facts who knows?
I am convinced the problem is due to lack of community, most of which has been brought about by the car.
Interesting point, and your certainly spot on about lack of community, but change 'car' for 'TV' and I think you've got a point.
Why? Because 'back in day' people were out on the streets more, or socialising more outside of there family, because they didn't have the option of vegetating in front of the box. The streets were alive with people, and therefore youths couldn't roam the streets with impunity.
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