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surfer - Member

Surfer you seem to be completely ignoring the fact that people have the right to a religious belief. That means they can get married, divorced and conduct their lives in accordance with their religion. I agree that it's a shame that they're not all brainy atheists like you, but you need to understand that as long as they don't breach any of the UK's laws in the process, that is their human right.

Your totally missing the point. Religious observers in the UK abide by laws which are derived (not wholly) from outside of their faith. Muslims can also do these things and they have nothing to do with the upholding of criminal law.
I am not ignoring or overlooking peoples rights to these things that is not in question.

Posted 2 years ago #
Spongebob - Member

Hasn't this thread got boring yet?

Posted 2 years ago #
Mr Agreeable - Member

Surfer, that didn't make sense at all, but I'm going to reply anyway: unless the parties agree to it, how does Sharia law take precedence over UK law?

Posted 2 years ago #
G - Member

Is that from the same place as your definition of racism?

Did you ever answer the question I put specifically for you regarding anti-semitism?... No? thought not

Think we should stick to accepted definitions as oppose to making up our own.
I would, but I feel obliged to try to get it to a level that you might understand. Admittedly a spectacular failure to date.

So there you go thats me answering you, so how about you reciprocating occasionally??

Posted 2 years ago #
Mr Agreeable - Member

By way of light relief, anybody see this article when it came out? Some of the comments are class:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4749183.ece

Islam has been in conflict with christianity since way back in the 11th century ? and were fought to keep them out of western society, The foolish politicians, let them take root here, and now the Gov / Church Hierarchy, are allowing them to drive another wedge into our society, Disgraceful !!

frank mchugh, falkirk,

It's too late people. Read the demographics and statistics. the muslims have already out bred you. Spain, Russia, the UK, Germany and France are all at a point of no return. The majority poulation will be Muslim and Sharia law will rule the Earth. What can you do about it? Receive Jesus Christ

Simon, Los Angeles, USA

Our country, our laws. Come to Briatin expect to adopt the civil practice in place. If i went to Saudi Arabia would I get one off my hands cut off for stealing. Probz.

Micahel, Livingston,

Posted 2 years ago #
rogerthecat - Member

not read the entire thread, so forgive me if I missed this in an earlier post.

But Sharia Courts have some legal status in arbitration if I remember correctly. They do this is the same manner as other faith based arbitration services such as the Jewish Beth Din courts.

We have had Beth Din courts in the UK for hundreds of years and they are definitely recognised as arbitration services under the 1996 Arbitration Act.

As with the Sharia requiriring participants to be Muslim, each party in the dispute brought before a Beth Din court has to be a Jew (Orthodox IIRC) and both must agree to the court hearing by the case.

I am sure that other faiths provide mediation and arbitration in a formal and informal manner.

I would venture to suggest that a precedent has been set.

Posted 2 years ago #
tankslapper - Member

Jesus is coming - Look Busy!

Posted 2 years ago #
G - Member

PMSL at tanky...

Actually just read down the comments on that Times article, and there it is encapsulated, all the predjudice, all the knee jerks, all the lack of knowledge demonstrated there in spades.

Posted 2 years ago #
tankslapper - Member

We had Kangaroo Courts at home - totally acceptable IMHO

Posted 2 years ago #
trailmonkey - Member

I'm in favour of bike thieves having their testicles removed. Is that Sharia law ? If so, I'm all for it.

Sharia win.

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

tyger - Member

ernie_lynch, brant

Well hello and "thanks" for your comments!

As a loving father of my two children and someone that always carries the value of family very highly I take issue with being labeled a Paedophile even in jest and feel maybe it's you who owe me an apology for that.

For a start I think you owe me an apology. I didn't label you paedophile - not even in jest. So get your facts right.

What I did label you though, was a 'christian fundamentalist'.

A perfectly valid comment and my opinion - which I based on your previous posts.

Now if for whatever reasons you have a problem with that, then by all means challenge me.

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I'm not anti anyone or pro anyone.

Well you obviously are. You are most definitely pro-Israeli/zionist. Why deny it - if you think it is the correct stance to take ?

I am perfectly happy to 'admit' where I stand. IE, I am anti-israeli and anti-zionist. I support the establishment of a democractic secular Palestine. Where all Palestinians, including christians, muslims, jews, and atheists, can live. But not necessarily Russians, Americans and Brits.

I do not recognise the right of a racist zionist state to exist in the Middle-East, any more than I recognised the right of a racist apartheid state to exist in South Africa.

You are also clearly anti-Islam. If you are ashamed to admit it, then I suggest that you change your views - no one should have views which they are ashamed of.

I am not anti-Islam. Because quite frankly, I couldn't give a toss what religion other people choice to follow.

Posted 2 years ago #
tyger - Member

Hi Ernie, having re-read the threads you're right I do owe you an apology as it was Hora who raised the paedophile tag not you - very sorry, please forgive me!

As for the labels well I'm still not anti Islam or Palestinians. I'm not sure about Hamas as I think they're not wanting any kind of peaceful outcome and I genuinely don't understand why you are anti-Israeli but that's your prerogative. I respect the Jewish people because I've known many and lived in Jerusalem but equally I've known and worked alongside many Arabs and respected them also. I'm not a "Christian Fundamentalist pro-Israeli/Zionist" or whatever label you want to add. I'm just a regular British bloke who loves his family, his country, playing guitar, biking and goes to church on Sundays helping out as a Youth Leader. I'm currently looking for work as I've just recently been made redundant and also lost my Dad at around the same time.

I mentioned before that I'm concerned about the intolerance and aggression that appears to be interwoven in some strains of Islam and yet have no problem with Muslims per ce.

Okay, I've prattled on enough.

Posted 2 years ago #
tyger - Member

Oh yeah, and I'm also having a great day because some kind person anonymously posted a free ticket for me through my door today for the Goodwood Festival of Speed

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

please forgive me

Well.................alright

You are forgiven my child. But only because the christian message of mercy and forgiveness is central to my core beliefs

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So you're not a 'Christian fundamentalist' eh ?

Why's that ? Are you saying there is something wrong with Christ's fundamental teachings - something fundamentally wrong ?

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BTW, why do you keep rabbiting on about loving your family, your guitar, and your bike ? It's all very nice I'm sure, but what has all that stuff gotta do with this thread ?

Do you play your guitar in church : happy-clappy style ?

Posted 2 years ago #
tyger - Member

Just trying to let you know a little of whom you're labeling

Posted 2 years ago #
tyger - Member

BTW since you asked, I do play guitar in church but it's an electric guitar and the style is not far removed from U2 - Happy-Clappy that's very 80's matey LOL!

My belief is in a loving God and a Devil who wants your destruction at all costs. I respect the Bible as a historic book and also as "God's word" but that doesn't mean that it's an easy book in many ways. The Old Testament can be attributed as God's law however the New Testament is very much God's grace. Nothing to fault with Christ's teaching as recorded in the Bible but I'm not someone who will force their beliefs on others (hopefully). Being a Christian to me is not just about a ticket to Heaven but rather about knowing that you're loved and forgiven (faults and all) by a loving God.

Posted 2 years ago #
andyg - Member

I don't want Sharia Law being practised in my country.
I don't want Sharia Law influencing law in my country.

I'm happy with the way things are now.

Posted 2 years ago #
crikey - Member

Oh yeah, and I'm also having a great day because some kind person anonymously posted a free ticket for me through my door today for the Goodwood Festival of Speed

Was it God? He works in mysterious ways tha knows...

Posted 2 years ago #
tyger - Member

Actually I don't know but I'll thank him anyway

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

I'll thank him anyway

I reckon that you should give your free Goodwood Festival of Speed ticket to charity tyger - as penance for your sins.

You are clearly a wretched sinner............. you have sinned several times on this thread for a start.

Posted 2 years ago #
crikey - Member

Yeh, playing guitar in church! FFS

Posted 2 years ago #
tyger - Member

LOL! ernie, if you want it it's yours. Let me know your address.

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

No tyger - don't give it to me .......... you need to give it to a Muslim.

You know message behind the parable of the good Samaritan was 'love thy enemy'. The Samaritans were hated and despised by the Jews - that's what made the parable so powerful.

Give your ticket to a Muslim............ you must give your ticket to a Muslim.

Posted 2 years ago #
G - Member

...... oh heck! tygers a god botherer and Ernies turned down free stuff WTF?

Posted 2 years ago #
tyger - Member

Ernie, how many more times must I say this? Muslim's are not my enemy.

Posted 2 years ago #
crikey - Member

Ernie, how many more times must I say this? Muslim's are not my enemy.

But they aint going to heaven are they?

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Muslim's are not my enemy.

Well you need to decide who are your enemies ....... and start lovin' them.

'Cause when you mortal body perishes and your soul is knocking on the Pearly Gates, the first thing Pete is going to ask you is, "Did you love thy enemy ?"

If you come out with, "But I didn't have no enemies" you'll be on well dodgy ground - no one likes a smart-arse.

Posted 2 years ago #
crikey - Member

"But I didn't have no enemies"

I suspect he'd be rather more concerned about ones use of grammar; God being an englishman and all...

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

I suspect he'd be rather more concerned about ones use of grammar

I doubt it. Jesus's dad was a builder. So I doubt whether they were that hot on 'grammar' in the Christ household.

Anyways, it's probably all beside the point.......... I don't reckon too much the chances of a guitar-playing heretic entering the Kingdom of God in the first place.

Obviously tyger has rejected and turned his back on the One Universal and Apostolic Church, instead choosing to defile the sanctity of God's House with his electric guitar and undoubtedly other vile dishonourable practices.

He probably doesn't even honour Christ's Mother. That won't go down too well - I can tell you.

Posted 2 years ago #
tankslapper - Member

Why is God always a bloke?

At this stage in the thread should we all not be joining a crusade in the defence of Damascus and the Holy See?

Well you need to decide who are your enemies ....... and start lovin' them.

Fair play ernie - you'll be in before me (kudos) - is this the vestal virgins crap or the St.Peter waving a finger nonsense? I really can't make up my mind.

The Big question is will the Balanese Godess of Plenty be there? And do they do McDonalds when I'm shagged? And is there any blue smarties? And does God really like Soul II Soul or was that a passing phase and he really digs Morcheeba and he has all the Stereophonics - now that's the real questions I want to know. What does he think of Snoop Dog; is he really that bad? And what sort of conversation does he have with Kurt Cobain? Did he really flick the V's at Michael Jackson and kick him out? And what plans does he have for Gordon Brown? And what's his opinion of Rio Tinto? Will thier shares rise or fall? Is he really gonna say Mohammed Ali 'was the greatest' or knock him for six? What mountain bike would he ride? Is specialized just over-hyped, or does Santa Cruz really rock?

Now those are GOD questions.

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Slapper - you needn't worry too much either - about what heaven's going to be like.

As another heretic who has embraced the religious cult founded by a serial wife murderer, I reckon your chances are piss-poor too.

Posted 2 years ago #
tyger - Member

LOL!

Posted 2 years ago #
tankslapper - Member

As another heretic who has embraced the religious cult founded by a serial wife murderer, I reckon your chances are piss-poor too.

Go on explain...

ernie ernie, do you not see? Do you not get it? Henry VIII is God?

Ulster Says - well alright then maybe behind the bike sheds.....

Posted 2 years ago #
Spongebob - Member

tyger - Member

BTW since you asked, I do play guitar in church but it's an electric guitar and the style is not far removed from U2 - Happy-Clappy that's very 80's matey LOL!

My belief is in a loving God and a Devil who wants your destruction at all costs. I respect the Bible as a historic book and also as "God's word" but that doesn't mean that it's an easy book in many ways. The Old Testament can be attributed as God's law however the New Testament is very much God's grace. Nothing to fault with Christ's teaching as recorded in the Bible but I'm not someone who will force their beliefs on others (hopefully). Being a Christian to me is not just about a ticket to Heaven but rather about knowing that you're loved and forgiven (faults and all) by a loving God.

Can you convince me with the tiniest thread of evidence about how you justify your belief and that you aren't just talking a complete load of imagined twaddle?

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Can you convince me with the tiniest thread of evidence about how you justify your belief

Why should he want to convince you ?

Why should he have to justify his beliefs to you ?

Who are you ?

Posted 2 years ago #