“R&D”….Its not beyond the wit of a qualified engineer, a bit of materials knowlege and some CAD/FEA software to design a strong diamond frame structure in carbon…. yes, the big companies are laughing all the way to the bank 😉

No reason not to get one….light(ish), strong and cheap(ish)…how often do you hear those three together? Plus rides fine and with aftersales back up if required.

I’m 5’10” and ride an 18″ with a 70 or 80mm stem. Not brilliant cable routing but the only real problem I have is that with low rise bars, no spacers and angled brake levers, the levers can clash with the top tube in a crash. Depends where you set your levers though.

I’m in the process of riding a steel 456 into the ground.. I think when I’m finished I might well go for the carbon version..

If you had read my post properly, you would have seen “I am on my phone so cant search because its shite”

I do have a link however

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/carbon-mountain-bike-frame.html

Im not saying you will find it there, but thats what they have done.

Obviously you wouldnt have seen any catalogues, you have to much to learn.

Edit: that link is a list of 5000 odd carbon frame suppliers, each making say another 25 carbon frames. Ovbiously there are more suppliers too.

flow – you are saying that On-One did not have any design input to the frame. This is obviously nonsense.

Even if it were true, the product still stands on its merits, which are not changed by where or by whom it was designed. So either point out some material issue (that hasn’t already been mentioned), or please give it a rest.

i kind of agree with Flow in a way (or two)….

I think On One have a lot less input into the R & D than they’d let on and the frames whilst not ‘out of a catalogue’ will be manufactured to their spec but the frames will be sold to other direct sales companies the world over.

No manufacturer could get the economies of scale to produce them cheap enough to (and still enable On One to make enough profit) on the volumes one bike shop could offer.

My experience with them was utter shite, I so wanted to buy from them but they couldn’t be arsed to deal with me because I attended their shop in person, that throws a big spanner in the works for a business that is geared up for web sales. They’re now specialising in bulk spot buying which is great for buyers but IMHO don’t try and make your business bigger until you’ve satisfied the customers got/lost.

That said I ride with a few guys who have various On One’s including the 456C and they are evangelical about them so if the customer service experience is tolerable you will get a very good product.

flow – Member

Im not saying you will find it there, but thats what they have done.

Ah- so catalogues exist, therefore, this must be in a catalogue? To prove it, here is a link to a catalogue which doesn’t have this frame in.

I have to say, you’re not very good at this.

Theyr’e pretty much all built the using the formula from taiwan ,its just got On Ones geometry which is like it or hate it or just accept it.Believe the On One marketing if you want at least your not paying a premium for it.

Flow – you’re talking shit, stop it.

OP – The frame is awesome, you won’t find better for the money. It looks shit if you build it up with skinny forks, xc kit and skinny tyres. So don’t. Put Lyrics, short stem, wide bars and Rubber Queens on and it’ll look awesome. I’ve got quite a few bikes and this is one of the cheapest and one of my favourites.

I must be very tight because i consider £400 on a hardtail frame to be expensive…if i was going to take a punt on carbon i’d get one of these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Full-Carbon-3K-Mountain-Bike-MTB-17-Frame-Headset-/370529734698?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item56454b102a#ht_1585wt_1139

£169 + £45 postage

I’ve never seen a cheap Chinese frame on ebay with the kind of geometry On One sell. Its all 71/73 old fashioned XC angles and certainly not even close to the kind of angles on the 456. And I doubt many of them can take a big fork etc etc.

R&D for a hardtail ain’t all that when the Taiwanese factory already has the tech and the labour. If it was the exclusive domain of the big boys why are there so many niche frame builders out there?

Is it just me who’s left with a mental image of flow spending the night searching Chinese carbon catalogues on his phone for a frame with on-one geometry and dropouts just so he can ‘prove’ that c456’s weren’t designed by on-one who had specific moulds made up to build them?

People will point and laugh at its ugliness.

I imagine Flow was to busy frothing at the mouth and maniacally hand-wringing to search for anything..

You would be wrong then, I dont care, I didnt buy one. Northwind however, I recon he might be halfway through by now.

I dont need to prove anything, but I think its in Brants best interets to prove me wrong.

it’s imbecilic. Imagine getting up at the morning for a ride and seeing that in the garage – you’d go back to bed

This made me chuckle. 🙂

It’s a pretty “striking” bike, that’s for sure…

(OK, when I take it to fort william it’s getting bigger wheels and tougher tyres!)

When you do this please post the date you’re going or drop me a line, I’d like to make sure I’m there to watch. Thanks.

I dont need to prove anything, but I think its in Brants best interets to prove me wrong.

Yes you do need to prove it, becasue we all know you’re talking bollox, and we all want to see you keep tripping yourself up time after time…..
And I can imagine Brant isn’t really that bothered about proving you wrong being as you’re the only one with this delusion….

😛

Stop making a prat of yourself flow.

And Houns, the one link of yours I clicked on had a 71deg head angle. Did you find any with similar geometry to the C456 or were you just looking for carbon hardtails? If so I don’t know what you think you’re proved.

You fools believe what you want and keep riding your cheap chinese knock offs 😆

Just wondering, are these ‘far East’ frames the same as ‘far East’ car tyres that look just like some modern tyre designs and appear to have aggressive, sporty tread patterns but are in fact utter cak in use??

if anyone can show me a knock off carbon frame that can take 160 mm forks i’d be interested…

(OK, when I take it to fort william it’s getting bigger wheels and tougher tyres!)

When you do this please post the date you’re going or drop me a line, I’d like to make sure I’m there to watch. Thanks.

taking a c456 to fort bill doesn’t sound even the slightest bit unreasonable to me.. there’s plenty of evidence of people (real men)downhilling hardtails.. and I’m sure I’ve seen enough photographic and anecdotal evidence of people downhilling on steel 456s.. why would the c456 which has undergone the same rigorous CEN testing fair any worse..?

And I can imagine Brant isn’t really that bothered about proving you wrong being as you’re the only one with this delusion….

😉

the frames will be sold to other direct sales companies the world over.

they aren’t.

Just wondering, are these ‘far East’ frames the same as ‘far East’ car tyres

Errr, no.

The vast majority of carbon frames are made in the Far East.

I found the other day that for Biancchi etc to put ‘Made in Italy’ on their frames they have to add at least 50% to the value of the frame on Italian soil. So they buy their frames ‘raw’ from China and have them sprayed in Italy. They argue that spraying the name of the brand on the frame increases it’s value by more than 50% so they can then put the sticker on it.

On-One/P-X have never made any pretence of doing anything other than designing stuff in the UK and having it manufactured in the Far East. They do this well and order sufficient volume to keep prices down and allow them to afford to be able to have specific jigs and moulds made where necessary.

To suggest they are rebadging ‘off the shelf’ frames is, I think, really poor – they may not always make frames that everyone likes but they are doign it honestly.

They’re now specialising in bulk spot buying which is great for buyers but IMHO don’t try and make your business bigger until you’ve satisfied the customers got/lost.

Thank you for noting our recent move to daily deals. I claim it was Jules’ idea, but he says it was mine. I think he got it off Mike at Sports Direct.

The good thing about Daily Deals is that it isn’t the only thing you can concentrate on, and believe me, comments about our showroom’s shortfalls are taken VERY seriously. We’ve improved manpower in there, are continuing to do so.

I still haven’t got a C456, even with the new headset, but I’m only riding my El Guapo right now, even though some bloke on mtbr says that its awful – http://forums.mtbr.com/8375009-post12.html

I dont need to prove anything, but I think its in Brants best interets to prove me wrong.

of course not you just need to make broad sweeping statements about the design of a bike and how it was created. Once you have done this only a moron would expect you , of all people, to actually have some evidence of it being factually accurate. In fact the reasonable thing when you make an outrageous claim is to just ask someone to disprove it
Do you want Brant to deny that Elvis deigned it as well? On – one did not fake the moon landings?
You are a very good troll though.

Carbon frames are mostly made in CHINA.

This is because, though it’s very technical, in terms of material, the majority of the actual process to make a frame is quite low tech. It’s a bit like stuffing envelopes or making christmas crackers at your dining table.

China has lower cost for manual labour. That’s the long and short of it – so that’s where the carbon manufacturing industry is concentrated.

I thought you found the idea of carbon frames a bit disgusting, brant 🙂

My mates selling his one over on BikeRadar
Carbon 456

Any reason not to?

It’s plastic – and plastic frames just will not do for me. It’s not right, I tell you.

Oh, and they are very ugly as others have mentioned. Ugly as sin.

I thought you found the idea of carbon frames a bit disgusting, brant

I think I said they “had no soul” didn’t I?

They are very disarming in a “light” and “strong” and “tough” way. A bit like the weird kid in the corner at school.

Looks shouldn’t matter, if the performance is right.

I was still saying that when I decided against the C456 and paid an extra £81 for a Soul.

You fools believe what you want and keep riding your cheap chinese knock offs

Gee thanks. Now I’ve got permission I’ll carry on enjoying my 2 On Ones. I thought I was going to have to heave them in a skip for a while there….

What do you ride? Overpriced boutique frames knitted from fairy dust by a one legged Rastafarian Eskimo?

But looks do matter George, otherwise Brad Pitt wouldn’t get near a script, would he? 😉

I’m pretty sure you said “disgusting” but I think that the intent was the same either way 😉

The Carbon 456 in human form

You haven’t changed much clubber.

😉

I got a bit taller, that’s it.

Because you can’t recycle it

Thank you for noting our recent move to daily deals. I claim it was Jules’ idea, but he says it was mine. I think he got it off Mike at Sports Direct.

The good thing about Daily Deals is that it isn’t the only thing you can concentrate on, and believe me, comments about our showroom’s shortfalls are taken VERY seriously. We’ve improved manpower in there, are continuing to do so.

I have just taken myself off the mailing list as I couldn’t cope with the daily deals. Only a matter of time before I bought something I didn’t need, just because it was cheap!