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Canyon grand canyon Al 29er...... is it just me or.....

41 posts & 18 voices | Started 3 months ago by monkeyboyjc | Latest reply from cheers_drive

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monkeyboyjc - Member

is there little point in going for the top spec 9.9sl
the 9.9sl looks like this (alternatively comes in white & blue)

and has this 'nop notch spec':

where as the 8.9 looks like this

and has this spec:

now the price difference, the 9.9sl is £1850 (inc postage) and the 8.9 £1300.... so £550 difference. Also look at the weights the top of the range 9.9sl is only 1lb lighter! Concidering i can get a xx BB30 chainset for less than £300 and a gobi saddle for £70 Oh and the 8.9 would also delivered 5 weeks sooner. Is there any reason to go for the top spec?

There is also a mid range bike but i'm discounting that as its just a SRAM version of the 8.9 as far as i can tell.

Posted 3 months ago #
Paceman - Member

I wouldn't pay the extra.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

yeah, thats what i was thinking. I do / will have the cash for the 9.9sl but i can just spend the £550 on the parts i'd like, i'm not that fussed but i'd rather have shimano over SRAM for the gearing and formular over avid for the brakes any way. (i'm sure i'd change the seat post, saddle, bar & stem eventually no matter what they are).

Its just the question of forks really - i know that the fox's will be super plush and a great ride, not sure about DT Swiss. Its the one thing that i wont be able to afford to change if they are crappy.

Posted 3 months ago #
wool - Member

Nice I want no sorry need!

Posted 3 months ago #
rOcKeTdOg - Member

can i have the torque wrench?

Posted 3 months ago #
chakaping - Member

Their top spec bikes are not as good value as their mid-range* ones on any of the models.

*Their mid-range bikes are specced liek most manufacturers' top models.

Posted 3 months ago #
warton - Member

can i have the torque wrench

the 'torque wrench' is dreadful. Mine snapped tightening the stem face plate to the recommended tightness!

Posted 3 months ago #
chestrockwell - Member

Don't worry about the forks. I've had Fox + RS Revs but much prefer the DT's I've now got to either of the 'big 2'. DT's are superb IMO.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

I think i'll be going with the 8.9 (and upgrade/change a few bits along the way) now, xx or xtr chainset mmmmmmm.

as for the torque wrench - it'll be up for sale on the forum (when it arrives in a month or so) as i have a proper one already.

Posted 3 months ago #
andyl - Member

I'm confused why you would save money buying the cheaper one and then spend the money you saved upgrading it.

Either just buy the cheaper one and keep the money or buy the expensive one and don't bother messing around, surely there is a few other bits that a higher spec and it won't be cost effective to upgrade.

Is the latter one really fitted with a Deore cassette? Seems a bit odd.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

i'm guessing its an Xt cassette - prob a mis print on the web site.

even if i bought the more expensive one i'd change the saddle, but its the SRAM stuff that put me off.

Posted 3 months ago #
speaker2animals - Member

If you don't like the SRAM spec surely your question is answered. TBH though can you argue with the top nuts one for £1850? Looks ace to me. Shame about delivery time.

Posted 3 months ago #
Northwind - Member

I love that little beam wrench, how cool is that? I don't care if it breaks

I reckon the decision here comes down largely to how strongly you dislike DT Swiss forks.

Posted 3 months ago #
IanW - Member

Anyone know if the carbon version is available yet?

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

I reckon the decision here comes down largely to how strongly you dislike DT Swiss forks.

its not that i dislike them, i just have no experiance with them (unless you count owning a pair of RC36's...). I've heard that they are not particulary plush and servicing can be a pain...

Anyone know if the carbon version is available yet?

my guess would be end of the year / 2013

Posted 3 months ago #
cheers_drive - Member

I've ordered an 8.9, the only doubt I have is about the fork but if I would have ordered the 9.9 for the Fox fork I would have had a groupset and brakes I didn't want / consider to be worse than those on the 8.9.

Posted 3 months ago #
andyl46 - Member

Anyone know how these size up? I'm 6ft5, 35" inside leg and its recommending a large not an XL on their fit calculator. Shome mishtake Shirley?

Posted 3 months ago #
DezB - Member

top of the range 9.9sl is only 1lb lighter

Only?? (its 1.5lbs actually)

How did they manage to get a hardtail specced like that to weigh 30lbs anyway? (Or are 29ers supposed to be heavy?)

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

Anyone know how these size up? I'm 6ft5, 35" inside leg and its recommending a large not an XL on their fit calculator. Shome mishtake Shirley?

the fit calc is baised on all body dim's - may be you have freekishly short arms or legs... ~~i'd~~ you'd better double check you aherm.. measurements....

Only?? (its 1.5lbs actually)

How did they manage to get a hardtail specced like that to weigh 30lbs anyway? (Or are 29ers supposed to be heavy?)

the 9.9sl is 10.9kg - 24.03lbs

the 8.9 is 11.2kg - 24.69lbs

the 'mid range' 9.9 is 11.3kg - 24.9lbs, heavier than the low end 8.9...
weights acording to the canyon website.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

also just noticed that the pic of the 8.9 shows a qr version of the fork, where as the spec says its 15mm bolt through - so i've emailed canyon to confirm (also to confirm the weight..)

Posted 3 months ago #
organdonor - Member

*The fork has no dropout so is "bolt through", but still QR 15mm (a la maxle light)

*I think

Posted 3 months ago #
cheers_drive - Member

andyl46 - Member
Anyone know how these size up? I'm 6ft5, 35" inside leg and its recommending a large not an XL on their fit calculator. Shome mishtake Shirley?
Sounds like a mistake as I am 6'3" with a 35" inside leg (measured not trouser size) and it told me XL.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

*The fork has no dropout so is "bolt through", but still QR 15mm (a la maxle light)

*I think

mmmmm, not convinced.....
could be though....

Posted 3 months ago #
organdonor - Member

I see what you mean

Posted 3 months ago #
organdonor - Member

I think it's just an ambiguous photo, actually this

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

yeah - a bit of a google search and i came up with that. You beat me to it organdonor.

Posted 3 months ago #
organdonor - Member

Interested because I ordered one a month ago

Eager to hear the confirmed weight...

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

TBH i've looked into it more now and the weights proberly about right as the DT swiss fork is .59lbs lighter than the fox so all that x0 and ritchey is saving approx 1lb which seems about right.
i just want Canyon to confirm it.

Posted 3 months ago #
stevewhyte - Member

When you look at the specs and price both are really well priced.

In reality i doubt most would tell the difference between the two bikes.

Another 29er convert i see.

Posted 3 months ago #
DezB - Member

the 9.9sl is 10.9kg - 24.03lbs

the 8.9 is 11.2kg - 24.69lbs

Ooh, yeah soz - I was looking at the wrong conversion (Troy lbs)
I'll crawl back under me rock.
Nice looking bikes them is.

Posted 3 months ago #
organdonor - Member

I'm confident that the weight is right, also that Canyon will be helpful.

Another 29er convert i see.

(Me) Not recently, I've still got (and still ride) my Gary Fisher Rig, which I bought in 2005.

I like wheels of all sizes...

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

I'm confident that the weight is right, also that Canyon will be helpful

i'm sure that they will, but maybe they should rename the 9.9SL the 9.9L.

Posted 3 months ago #
organdonor - Member

It's just how they badge their higher end bikes, not a guarantee it's 'super light'.
Normally higher end bikes are a little lighter, as is this one.

Posted 3 months ago #
monkeyboyjc - Member

I had an email back this am..

Many thanks for your e-mail.

The AL 8.9 is fitted with a 15mm bolt through front axle - this is an essential sepc requirement for a 29'er. And the weight of a Large framed bike will be 11.2kg. We do not have the weights for other sizes available.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further questions.

Sincerely,

Cullen Ward - Canyon UK

Posted 3 months ago #
stevewhyte - Member

The AL 8.9 is fitted with a 15mm bolt through front axle - this is an essential sepc requirement for a 29'er.

Eh! Sounds strange. Essential implies that without it the bike will not function.

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