I'm getting closer to SWMBO buying me the 550d and have been scouting around on the 'bay for prices and deals.
Have come across Digital-rev as a seller and the prices seem good... very good in fact! Anyone got any experience of them on here? Feedback seems good and a quick google looks ok...
Hong Kong based aren't they?
UK Based price comparison here...
Shame it'll be obsolete in 18 months. At least it looks obsolete to start with I guess...
Some pics from the soon to be released but soon to be obsolete camera 
Granted its not everyones cup of tea. It is very niche. But whats the alternative. A Leica at 8x the price?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fotois/sets/72157626059913905
http://www.43rumors.com/new-fuji-x100-patch-to-open-raw-files-more-news/
But whats the alternative. A Leica at 8x the price?
However if having the 550D means heavily compromosing on stills quality
Do you realise that all these quibbles over image quality are extremely subtle and are insignificant in all practical terms?
Nex 5 at 1/2 the price? And when you throw away the body in a couple of years you'll still have the lens(es).
The x100 not aimed at the same users as the NEX.
This thread sums up what the X100 is about in places. In other places people try to compare it to massive SLRs which is quite funny.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1041&thread=37837944&page=1
OVF with more coverage than the frame - and focus confirmation that no m4/3 can touch
EVF of the highest quality when needed
Essentially silent operation (leaf shutter) - a big complaint of street shooters for both M4/3 and NEX with loud shutter noise
Better high ISO than m4/3
Excellent build quality
x100 sensor size appears to be very similar to NEX. Its the controls, size, EVF/OVF , silent operation that are going to make this thing attractive to some people. As well as the metal construction and retro look. Closest cheap setup is probably a m4/3 like the PEN series with the optional viewfinder accessory and the 20mm lens.
Lens is also F2 faster than any native NEX lens IIRC.
The lens will also be optimised for that body and nothing else as it is fixed. To have the dual viewfinder in a body that size with manual controls and an APS-C sensor is pretty awesome I think.
I read the first part of that thread. They all flame the guy for saying that it compares to his m4/3 Oly.. but they mostly fail to see what he means - that he thinks his Zuiko lenses are sufficiently sharp wide open that he can use a lower ISO to get the same quality as the Fuji becuase the Fuji would have to stop way down or have blurry images.
No idea if he's right or not mind
Yes do keep reading.. its funny in places some people realize the Fuji was never built to compete with the fattest SLR with a beastly lense.
Do you realise that all these quibbles over image quality are extremely subtle and are insignificant in all practical terms?
After having a good think about it and realising how nitpicky a lot of reviews are I did come to this conclusion! Thinking I will probably still got with a used 40D though, I'll be able to get it for about half the price of a 550D body and probably with better lenses. I went and had a feel of the 550D and it felt tiny and toy-like after using a 7D for so long - I think the 40D is a similar size to this so should be ok. And the low-light performance is great, I've seen 3200 iso images from it looking excellent.
I like small.
The lens will also be optimised for that body and nothing else as it is fixed. To have the dual viewfinder in a body that size with manual controls and an APS-C sensor is pretty awesome I think.
If it had an interchangeable lens system then I'd quite possibly buy one. Well, no I wouldn't, I'd wait for the full frame version.
I do like the form factor though. A lot.
Do you realise that all these quibbles over image quality are extremely subtle and are insignificant in all practical terms?
Ah this is what I also meant to say about the x100 vs NEX debate that has cropped up.
Forget IQ battles. The Fuji is just a different beast to most other things and if its better IQ great, if not its not a deal breaker. Its features will make it a streetshooters dream - as long as the IQ isnt pants.
Sure, awesome, for a couple of years. Then it'll be an old piece of junk.
Depends how long your keep your gear. Depends if someone makes something better and similar you can afford. Depends if youve even maxed out the cameras potential.
Some people could have a Pentax K-5 or Canon 5D/7D or whatever. A pro would get better shots with a cheaper camera.
Depends how long your keep your gear
The amount I've got invested in 4/3 and the likely lifetime of the system - a long time!
Forget IQ battles. The Fuji is just a different beast to most other things and if its better IQ great, if not its not a deal breaker. Its features will make it a streetshooters dream - as long as the IQ isnt pants.
A hands on impression here...
I can't see how it has any features that make it a streetshooters dream. But as a piece of fashion jewelry it is lovely.
Depends how long your keep your gear.
Lenses however, keep their value. Not in this case.
Ye Ive got m43.. dont get me wrong I think its a great system.
I have little interest in zooms. Im interested in wide angle and street shooting. Yes I do own the 20mm Pana and its nice. This Fuji looks nice to me too though.
Dont do "birding" do I don't need a zoom. Only quibble with the Fuji would be when I would want to go wider.
I like small.
"In theory" I do as well (hence why I was considering the m4/3 cameras) but in practice having something bigger to hold onto (ooer :P) feels nicer to me. Just takes up a bit more room in the bag and weighs more so not quite as convenient for me!
My 2p's worth would echo an earlier comment - look at an older pro body for £ and decent glass for ££. For the price of the 550D kit you could get a nice, relatively fast zoom or good prime plus a couple of generations old pro body / one generation old 'prosumer' body (ie, d200).
My favourite combo at the moment is a venerable D1x with 30mm f2D...
Cameras are just computers. Would you really suggest getting a 'pro' 5 year old computer over a new mid-range one? The new computer will wipe the floor with the old one.
Same with cameras. Just look at the sensor stats.
The only plus of an old pro camera is that it comes in a nice wrapper.
An amazing sensor not going to be the best use of money without the glass to back it up.
Cheaper body + more expensive glass. Means you are fully realising the potential of that body/sensor.
Not really true though is it.
ISO performance increases with each generation.
Where you might need an f2.8 with the 'old' body an f4 might be fine for the 'new' one. A good f4 lens costs a lot less than a good f2.8 lens (lighter too). Or you can 'afford' to stop down your less-good lenses to sharpen them up.
Dynamic range increases with each generation. A better lens doesn't help here.
If a generation old body is much cheaper than the new one then maybe you can buy one better lens. Maybe that's enough to offset (or more than offset) the advantages of the new body, but all your other lenses will still be at a relative disadvantage.
Bodies are cheap and you only need one. Lens are expensive and you need lots.
Skimping on the body makes little sense to me unless you just want one specialist lens.
in practice having something bigger to hold onto (ooer :P) feels nicer to me
I've only wished for something larger when using my 300mm big boy. I reckon a battery grip would help with that.
I think when you're buying a 550D kit (or similar) the bulk of what you're paying is going on the body rather than the lens. Admittedly if we're talking 'prosumer' ie. D300 then the advances made are huge esp. when talking about high ISOs etc.
However, if you're on a budget then a couple of hundred on an older pro body and a couple of hundred on a lens, over a newer lower-end kit is IMO going to be a better bet (ie. Canon 450/500D's are approx £400 on ebay, I could get a decent lens and D1X / 1D MkII etc etc for that). If you've got more to spend then you'd better going for something more modern (ie. I can get a D300 for £600, I'd rather have that than a D2X)...
I just think at the bottom end of the market you get more for your buck and a better lens means than you're not throwing money away with the ever-ongoing pixel-peeping race (back in the early 2000's you could have splashed 10K on a Kodak DCS 620, it was worth about £300 by 2004). 10K spent on Nikon primes and decent zooms would probably be worth not far off what you paid (more if you picked something 'special')
Cameras are just computers. Would you really suggest getting a 'pro' 5 year old computer over a new mid-range one? The new computer will wipe the floor with the old one.Same with cameras. Just look at the sensor stats.
Mmmmmmm..... look very similar to me.
Have a look at the dynamic range tab.
Then...
Have a look on ebay. The old one is £380. The new one can be had for £389.
I can't see a £9 saving buying a great lens upgrade.
A better comparison is the D7000.
£849, so £469 more than the old banger. Enough for a mid-range lens. But look at the spec difference. Dynamic range in particular.
£849, so £469 more than the old banger. Enough for a mid-range lens. But look at the spec difference. Dynamic range in particular.
I know I'd have a lot more fun with £400+ worth of lens on a £400 body - some of the best pics I've taken were with an old Canon 20D and L glass. Unless you're printing BIG you'd be hard pressed to tell the differences between photos taken with my older Nikon bodies and my friend's latest D90...
(that said, I still maintain you're hard pressed to better the results of well processed MF film; I've got some fantastic pics taken with my old Hasselblad. Just no time or money for appropriate amounts of processing any more)
I can't argue with fun 
**** me I'm confused. Just bought a Fuji HS10 Bridge to take shots of nipper, plus sailing plus MTB type shots but I miss most of the smiles etc due to the slow speed of it. Realisticly I want 3fps+ So, thinking I'll return it and get something with a little more poke. Looking at a Nikon D5000 (I think) which I can pick up second hand with a 18-55mm Nikon lens on it for £399. Is this a winner?
http://www.jessops.com/online.store/products/78032/show.html
Please be nice, I'm simple when it comes to cameras. I appreciate I won't use all the functions of a full SLR, but I want one. I'm sick of compacts, they really just don't cut it most of the time (for me) I'll be adding a longer (roughly 300mm) lens shortly as well to get the boat shots sorted.
Not a huge difference (on paper at least). The D5000 has the edge, but as you're simple when it comes to cameras I doubt you'll notice the difference. New with warranty etc has to be the better bet?
EDIT: Looks like you can get the D500 body for £399.... Might be worth looking on ebay to see how much a used kit lens is if you fancy the D5000.
However, if you're on a budget then a couple of hundred on an older pro body and a couple of hundred on a lens, over a newer lower-end kit is IMO going to be a better bet
Hence why I'm considering a used 40D w/nice lenses over a new 550D w/cheaper lenses
For cheap DSLR you could do a lot worse than this:
Holy cow, actually I had no idea they were that cheap still! Amazingly good VFM I reckon... The Oly lenses are better value for money than any other inexpensive new lenses afaik.
Ta, I always forget about Olympus!
Earlier in the thread I said IA had inspired me to do some flashing.
Well... the Sony F58AM comes in at £300+ so that was out. So I picked up the very similar (mint, boxed) Minolta 5400HS for £40. The only problem being that although the Minolta flash fits my Sony body it speaks an older protocol so doesn't actually work (other than in manual). Hence the price.
So... I bought a Minolta/Sony translation board for £29.
Half an hour of flash dismantling and soldering later (without tazering myself) I now have a flash with a 54m guide number, TTL & HSS and bounce... it'll do wireless TTL too.
My stepdaughter is thinking about doing photography gcse next year. The tutor has said that the canon 550 is at the top of a very short list. We've seen it for about £600. Does anyone on here know if there is a slightly cheaper option. Failing that anywhere got any good deals on? One other thing what is the camera equivalent of the stw forum I can look at?
The tutor has said that the canon 550 is at the top of a very short list.
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