Haven't taped mine, whatever goes in it will be bagged or already waterproof.
IME sealing right angle seams on heavy duty fabric is a pain in the arse. I haven't bothered. Anything that needs to be completely dry goes in a separate drybag.
rowlapa1974 meths burner/hexi cooker.
Never really done meths, watched a few torch tents with leaky fuel and careless practice.
Have never costed out meths over gas.
Meths can be put out easily in trianga type burner units, small, easy to carry, easy to light, easy to get fuel for.
Hexi cookers or non MOD the Esbit solid fuel cookers. Not as versitile as meths but on a par for cooking, hand full of dirt/sand puts out a fuel block, needs more care for scorching (try cooking inside a tent with Hexi/Esbit )
Harder to find fuel than Meths & gas.
Consider alcohol gel cookers, although finding fuel can be tricky compared to meths/gas.
Done Hexi/Alcohol, MOD and Civvy, it works with drawbacks, Esbit burners are silly light.
Gas. Easy to get cans, loads of choice on burners, clean burn, easy to use, works well within UK climate (not so at extreme sub zero temps or high altitude)
Gas for me, drawbacks, weight and volume of gas cans, offset by fast clean burn times, with "care" can be used inside a ventilated tent.
Safe and easy to use, loads of choice on burners, even the cheap MSR Pocket Rocket clones are good, just don't expect a 10-20year hard use life span from clones.
Petrol-multifuel burners, for serious subzero climates or extreme altitude and third world adventures where finding gas cans and meths may be a major issue.
Set a budget, set a useage area. Do you need ultra light weight ? can you live with the limits of that cook system ?
Gas is bulky in volume, but quick and easy to use, fairly clean, easy to pick up fuel and work with.
That's the sort info all threads could do with. I use a jetboil for my normal camping/work, but as you say it's the size of cookers/gas canisters ect. Found some gel fuel in a local outdoor shop but no cooker to put it into as yet. Had a look at the trianga burners and looks a nice compact option.
Hmmm jetboils, squaddies love em, brill for boil in the bag rat pack food, and now some aftermarket available hanging options, so you can hang the cooking system inside a vehicle/plane/boat/hammock basha or even a rock climbing wedge next to your tent that is also hanging off the side of a mountain
It's a case of buying what's best for you for where you are.
I am in the UK, so gas is the easy option. Would love a Jetboil, but deep down i feel i need the option of being able to dump a pot on a couple of rocks with wood burning underneath. So far never happened.
Pro's and Con's to all systems. Meths never done it, hexi and alcohol gel, cheap, safe to carry, hexi can be a pain to light sometimes, alcohol easy, gas just wins for me, more bulk but more ease of use.
Went alcohol decades ago but couldn't get fuel. Still have a 20+year old Firestar cooker, about the size of a tin of bacon grill, bayonet the lid off, spark up the gel and boil away in the old 1/2 pint enamel mug i replaced my mess tins with, Firestar fitted in the mug too, bounus to that system was this, when the gel had burnt off, fill the tin with dirt/sand, then add petrol, it becomes a liquid fuel burner, bit dirty but works, when done drop lid back on, smother flames, easier than a hexi to light and control.
Went to an MSR Pocket Rocket years ago, it will out last a clone, bought Mrs Ace one of those little Ti gas burner units, really good performance, uses a bit more gas, but it works fast and about half the weight of my Pocket Rocket.
Some of the gear out there now.... so much choice, the end user can really fine tune what they want or need, 7g esbit burner or 50g gas burner ? set your budget and choose what you fancy.
Gas in 100/125/230/250/500gram containers a 250 is lighter than 2x125g, i use 250g with a 100/125 slipped in somewhere as a backup, beyond that it Ray Mears time and stick the pot on a wood fire, assuming i can get one going
Thanks again Acehtn loads of great info and help.
Also many thanks to everyone else who has taken the time to pass on there idea's and info
For cooking I just use gas. But chucking a frying pan on an open fire can't be beat! obviously not always practical, but for my fair weather camping, ideal!
Snowpeak Titanium Solo Cookset /MSR Micro Rocket - I love this setup !
Regarding diy framebags has any one got any experience with alpkit's "webbing ladder" type setup for frame attachment?
I'm a fan of the webbing ladder idea. Works better for varying pack density or stuffed-ness than normal straps ime. Frame tubes tend to be narrower than the bags so the logic works. Its more adaptable if using a half frame bag on more than one bike or combining attachment points of gas tank qnd frame bag.
I love these threads.
That little blue bike kitted out is "da bomb" excellent work DrP
I used the webbing ladder idea on my DIY seat pack and bar harness (posted on a previous page up there ^^) and have been really pleased with the extra adjustability it gives. Didn't bother on my frame age as they were designed for specific frames and I couldn't see the benefit.
I'm using a home made Coke can meths burner and windshield, which I'm really pleased with. Seems to boil a mug of water at least as quick as my mates' gas stoves. Alpkit Mytimug nests in the windshield and stove, lighter and washing up scourer plus a plastic mug live inside the mug.
I've added some air/vent holes since this pic.
For cooking duties i have a choice of a Vargo Titanium wood burning stove, a mini crux folding stove usually with a 100g cartridge, and a triad meth burner/esbit stove so dependant on where i'm going along with weather conditions i tend to mix and match.
The only pot i use is the Titan kettle , and i use a pot cosy - sometimes i also take my Ti mug as i can use that as a secondary cooking vessel or just use it as a mug for a brew as i wait for my pot cosy and titan pot to cook my tea.
Once you get started it's all to easy to go mad with the kit
Only got 3 gas lamps, and 4 or 5 burners knocking about, and several pan sets from Alu to copper plated stainless, enameled steel to Ti.
If i was starting out from new, Ti Alpkit pan set, and a MSR/Alpkit/Ti burner and battery headtorch..... mostly stuff that wasn't available years ago
2 trianga burners in the workshop, soooo tempted to get a burner and try one out the boss aquired some stainless tubing to make a wood gas stove (his triangas) a coleman multifuel is knocking about as well.
Boss went for a vango knockoff of a MSR pocket rocket, loves it
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...Once you get started it's all to easy to go mad with the kit
Oh so true...
I still use cheapo gas stove and old home made tin foil windshield. It has worked well for a couple of decades...
But is also now have 6g titanium esbit stove and windshield. Not perfect (dirty, in really cold weather I have to shelter it really well from wind), but for a quick overnight, with a cheap it mug it is perfect and silly light.
The bag the stove came in weighs more than the stove btw.
For sake of completion thread bump, my bag is finished, is fairly waterproof too.
Great diy project for anyone, although sewing machine repair costs made this one pricier than an otp bag, learned lots.Posted 2 months ago #
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