What I'm wondering is, just what is it that makes the wheel feel so stiff to an experienced bike rider like Matt who would be familiar with riding similar rims, spokes, hubs, etc.?
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Bike journo doesn't do physics shocker
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Mark, Matt. I accept my thread title is rude and insulting, and for that I apologise - sorry Matt. I should have thought a bit longer before posting.
However if my "insufferable attitude" is defending my point against those determined to misinterpret it, or not understanding the science, then I'm not apologising for that. As somebody with a scientific background, you surely have to agree Mark that there is far too much incorrect junk science written in cycling magazines (STW is far, far less guilty of this than many others I've read, which is maybe why this one jumped out at me), hence the irritation at the repetition of myths like this.
Once again my apologies to Matt - wasn't really meaning to have a dig at him, even if it seemed like that. I actually really liked the review apart from that point - not at all surprised if the wheels felt very stiff, but that's likely to be down to the stiffness of the rim.
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+1 aracer
the issue here is multiple numpties under tension when their strawman arguments are outed, and getting hard when they back each other's flawed beliefs. And then there's Elfboy polishing his rim just to be noticed as per usual
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Pete Poddy once twisted my nipples, and we both went a bit stiffer. Is that what we're taking about?
DrP
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It might well be, Pij; it might well be....
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Sort of except aracer will start having a hissy fit with you for not also pointing out that once you had achieved sufficent stiffness with Peter Poddy, no amount of further nipple-twisting would have changed that.
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That's where Pete resorts to 5 inches in the rear... (any less and it's too rough apparently-I never understood that, but he assures me)
DrP...
(I must grow up!)
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Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!
I can't stand it any longer!!!!
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Pump away hard enough on his little valve and there's a explosion of white sticky stuff too.
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onewheel, I was a regular on rec.bicycles back in the mid nineties when the actual web only had about 4 pages on it and everyone wondered what the fuss was about, and the like of jobst brandt, sheldon brown, gary helfrich, keith bontrager would chip in on any and all topics. Funny to see the same topics revisited ad infinitum.
Jobst might have an analytical mind and access to computer modelling, but he was also totally adamant that it was impossible for a thorn to puncture a tyre
, or for a cycle to recover from a 2 wheel drift. Watching motogp qualifying as I type....
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Mark, your introducing yourself as "a member of the institute of physics" makes you way more insufferable than aracer IMO.
Bike journos hat been getting very basic stuff wrong since time began, and I've seen much worse.
ANyway, back to the OP. Your explanation is good, however I think you are wrong, having missed out a crucial point:
The wheel's rigidity is not directly proportional to spoke tension. This is because as tension increases, a laced wheel's spokes bed in-both to the hub flange and at any cross. More bedding in means more stiffness.Posted 7 months ago # -
No probbly best not actually...
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Mark, your introducing yourself as "a member of the institute of physics" makes you way more insufferable than aracer IMO.
Hahahahahahaha!! Classic!
Pwned like a biatch...
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or for a cycle to recover from a 2 wheel drift. Watching motogp qualifying as I type....
ISTR people making the same argument on rbt - to which JB's response was invariably that a bicycle on tarmac (with skinny tyires) wasn't a racing motorbike.From the days before the web even existed. Incidentally many of the big hitters from rbt joined a mailing list called "Hardcore bicycle science" when the signal to noise ratio on the newsgroups dropped too much - something which itself is now defunct. Sadly I don't think there is anything equivalent nowadays.
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Ah.. Al and Bull, my two most loyal fans ..
Hi guys
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WTF? Nothing personal at all!...If you can't take a flaming...
Anyway aracer: no response? Oh dear...
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Awww, c'mon Mark; even you have to admit that an opening gambit of;
...as a member of the Institute of Physics
you sound like a total plum.
You're an ex-physics teacher right? Tell me you didn't bandy that one around in the staff room in order to win an physics-related argument did you? The PE department would've eaten you alive....
EDIT: For the record, Al and I haven't consulted each other on the agreed idiocy of your initial opener; rather we came to the same conclusion as two individuals.
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Former physics teacher LOLs!
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The PE department would've eaten you alive....
FFS and you think he sounds like a tool
Those who can do. Those who cant teach. Those who cant teach teach PE
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(Feels somewhat left out. Is really quite upset)
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Those who cant teach teach PE
Badge. Of. Honour.
Interestingly, over 88% of school leaders are ex-PE. Less than 0.073 are physics teachers. Fact.*
*This fact is probably true.
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Ah, that old debate. Which requires more intellect, rounders or general relativity.
As for the OP, do you have a cape as well as super pendant powers?
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Ah, that old debate. Which requires more intellect, rounders or general relativity
Ace!
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Elf; you put the picture up?
For me?
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some that can still teach
:)
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Only for you, Bully.
X
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over 88% of school leaders are ex-PE
see only PE teacher would post up "evidence" of people who dont teach to prove they can teach
I though the highest was from History FWIW.Posted 7 months ago # -
All about the win Mr Yard; all about the win...
I was at a conference a year ago when they mentioned a 'stat' regarding School Leaders and their respective 'disciplines'. Whilst it's not the percentage I stated, I'm led to believe that ex-PE staff lead the field. Typically though, when it was declared, an audible 'yessssssssss' could be heard from several tables in the vicinity.
Haterz gonna hate
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The least uninteresting thing I've learned from this thread is that the swear filter doesn't appear to work on tags. Wahey!
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Mark, your introducing yourself as "a member of the institute of physics" makes you way more insufferable than aracer IMO.
Nah, not by a long way.
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Ooooh, another member of The Institute of Physics.
Do you have the O-level?
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Hey! They have an affiliate membership for £88!
http://www.iop.org/membership/join/affiliate/page_51400.html
Al - with my knowledge of bone torsion in a range of proximal/distal bone lengths in obese children, and your studies into braking forces on balsa/carbon/tin foil bikes, we're a shoo-in to be accepted!
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Well I was going to retain my modesty, but I have in fact studied Physics at university level, which I think would qualify me to teach it, so I'd prob be one of their most academic members (pun intended).
Is Professor Higgs a member? If lectured us. My GF used to swim with his Mrs-apparently he was a true geek/genius....would confess to thinking about particle physics during most activities.
I win teh PHYSICS NAME DROPPING CONTEST
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