I am a regular long-term cycle commuter. Every day I observe cyclists pull out of side roads without looking, change lanes without looking or indicating,
I am also a long-term cycle commuter, everyday I observe many more drivers than cyclists, pulling out of side roads without looking, change lanes without looking or indicating, and the big difference is the driver is in control of a ton or more of metal.
and they ride up the nearside of vehicles when the vehicle is indicating to turn left (FFS! what has a lorry driver got to do? They indicate, they have audible warning, and yet idiots STILL try to pass on the nearside).
I do occasionally see this too, but not all that frequently if I'm honest, and I really do believe that most of this is down to them just not realising the danger they're putting themselves in rather than a deliberate attempt to kill themselves.
People ride along with earphones in, completely oblivious to what's going on around them, distracted by whatever they are listening to and cut off from
their surroundings. Crazy.
Well... there's a certain amount of debate to be had here, deaf people, wind noise vs music, volume of music etc, not to mention them still probably being able to hear more than the car drivers can inside the car, but we'll skip over this one or save it for another thread?
They fiddle around with whatever's in their front basket, wear clothes that flap and catch, and shoes that can slip off the pedals.
Most of the cyclists I see are normally concentrating on ridign their bike, the only fiddling with stuff I ever see is when stopped at lights, maybe a location thing though? Clothes comments are a bit odd... are you suggesting some kind of recommended cycling uniform? Other countries seem to get by just fine with people wearing normal everyday clothes to ride a bike.
Further, every cyclist who jumps a red light simply hardens the attitude of motorists against us. Swerving round pedestrians on crossings doesn't help us either.
Both of these p155 me right off when I see them, however, I genuinely see more cars jumping red lights and crossing than cyclists round here, so my theory is it's 'people' that do this regardless of their mode of transport, some will just do this, see comment about tons of metal above ^
It is very very sad when someone gets killed, however, the way some people ride my only surprise is that there are not many more fatalities.
it is, it really really is, very sad indeed, I just wish our reaction was more around what we can do to improve rather than finger pointing and blame gaming. my surprise is that we don't (as a nation/public) get more upset and angry about them and try to do something about it.
It is true that vehicles have a duty of care towards more vulnerable road users, however, vulnerable road users also have a duty - to behave in a reasonable and responsible manner and to mitigate their damage/losses.
agreed, BUT there is no evidence any of the people killed here were not doing absolutely everything they could have been to stay safe, the bad ones are the minority of cyclists, and the cyclists are a minority of road users, and a minority of a minority is a very small number, don't tar us all with the actions of so few, and there's still this elephant in the room of certain vehicles just not being suited to busy urban environments, no matter how careful everyone is.
flamed gently warmed
You do make some good points though but I think the reason so many people get grumpy when they are raised is the tone, we need less blame, more awareness/help.
That, and the fact that we do get so frustrated that these same arguments get trotted out all the time when it really really is a small, but more visible, group of people we are talking about.
You always hear the anecdote about the cyclist that jumps the lights or weaves all over the road listening to their ipod, never about the other 100 that also rode that same route safely and without incident.